The disaster in Iraq is by design - IMO

[liberal N proud]

I am beginning to believe the disaster in Iraq is completely by design so that the bu$h regime can drag us into a much larger conflict with Iran and ultimately Syria.
Why else would they continue to stay the failed course and build up troops and equipment in an effort that would lead us directly to Iran. The rhetoric has all started to focus on Iran with every news cast as they mention Iraq, they interject a tidbit about Iran. The media is doing the propaganda for the regime and building the case to attack Iran.

The question is, How long before bu$h orders the bombings? Will it be one month, or two or three?

[grasswire]

1. many have been saying this

The whole notion of "incompetence" and "poor intelligence" and "bad decisions" is part of a dog and pony show. Bushco did what was necessary to establish a toehold in the Middle East. There was "no plan" for success as success is defined by the military and by Americans, because the REAL PLAN was for chaos. More chaos = more profit for Bushco.

It has all been smoke and mirrors. And the press has been willing co-conspirators.

[Karenina]

13. "The Grand Chess Game"

by Z-big and the PNAC manifesto have been out there FOR YEARS. THOSE are just recent history. One needs to research the DuPonts, Morgans, Rockefellers, Rothschilds to REALLY understand the opera. DUers have ready access to cut-up-in-bite-size-pieces resources in Octafish's "KNOW YOUR BFEE" files.

The American "democratic" experiment died the day GHWB and his cronies (including LBJ) put a bullet through JFK's head and got away with it. Ike laid the groundwork and JFK was about to bust the Texas Mafia's asses. Bang-bang Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon his head. Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that he was dead..

[Amonester]

2. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

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The deadliest mob nobody, even the Dem congress-people, refuse to inform the public about.

Don't even ask the corporate sold-out media. They're paid to spread their propaganda.

[katsy]

3. A double victory maybe...

bankrupt the U.S. = no more new deal.

A government small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Profit + New World Order = Corpotacracy, oligarchy

[CrazyOrangeCat]

8. Yes. They've finally figured out a way . . .

. . . to ice the New Deal that they've hated for seventy years. Huge, huge deficits.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

4. I think you are correct.

For the longest time, I couldn't figure out how they could be so stupid in so many ways . . . for instance, not even taking into account the vast cultural divisions between the three main Iraqi groups. Not having many translators. The list goes on and on.

They don't care. They just don't care about the killing and the suffering and the ultimate destruction of one of the oldest cultures on the planet.

They are brutal, corporatists, who sold their souls so many decades ago, they don't even process suffering like the rest of the world.

[illinoisprogressive]

5. yep. that is it. on the money.

I don't know if it's for war with Iran or what the real reason is but, it is on purpose.

[AlinPA]

6. It isworse than that IMO. They need to get the "end times" Armageddon going

so the republican base can be raptured and everyone else we be "left behind". These people are crazy- they actually believe in that rapture stuff.

[katsy]

12. IMO, they believe in nothing but money & power.

Any armegeddon bs is throwing a bone to their crazy fundie base... as they pick their pockets along with everyone else's.

They believe in profits and power. Anything else is a distraction.

[seemslikeadream]

7. ABSOLUTELY

BY DESIGN


They could not have been so ignorant, it's all going according to plan.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. Well, that IS the PNAC agenda. Always has been.

Iraq was just a stepping stone to Iran and Syria.

[KoKo]

10. Yep...Neo-Cons have had a hard on about this for years....It's their dream

of Democracy throughout the Middle East.

[liberal N proud]

14. That is another thing that is full of holes - Forcing people into Democracy

Democracy has to be something that the people with in the country want. They need to want it bad enough to get it for them selves.

We can't go in there and force it on them.

[Smarmie Doofus]

11. Well, if it's deliberate, they seem to have miscalculated...

... as the quagmire is costing the GOP politically.

OTOH, there are clearly elements of the 'power elite' that wish to remake the ME ( i.e. via a regional war). No question.

[Amonester]

15. They R absolutely convinced they don't even need the GOP

anymore by now as they own the military.

They own the media too.

And the Supreme Court.

[azurnoir]

16. The quagmire is deliberate

as far as the GOP goes they like the Christian extremists were simply vehicles to get into power. There is really no other explanation the powerful Shia' in Iraq good/ powerful Shia' in Iran bad conundrum is on purpose the American public right now is being eased into the idea that we are at war with the Iraqi's, they have very successful in "catapulting the propaganda that Iran wants nuclear technology only for weapons not electricity, no matter what IA EA says, just look at comments here. All of the Iranians sneaking weapons to Shiite insurgents in Iraq (Sadr) and the supposed Mailiki /Sadr connections read between the lines that is where they are going slowly but surely and they have 2 more years at least.

[cassiepriam]

26. Bush does not care about the GOP nor does Cheney.

They care about themselves.

As long as they become vastly wealthy and powerful that is all they want.

[California Griz]

17. The pervasive thought was that overthrowing the Iraq government

would destabilize the entire middle east. This war has been conducted in a manner that would assure this. Every excuse Bush gave for going to war has been disproved. There are really only three conclusions one can draw from this. He's either insane, a complete idiot or evil genius.

If they stay on the timetable I'd say two or three weeks. They can't wait too long or Congress will get more united against him.

[Smarmie Doofus]

18. There's a fourth:

>>There are really only three conclusions one can draw from this. He's either insane, a complete idiot or evil genius.>>>

Bush et al needed a foreign war to ensure reelection of a not-very-popular president pushing a not-very-popular domestic agenda.

Any war would do, but Iraq offered ancillary benefits.

I tend to think these determinations are less calculated than most on this board.The idea that they are evil geniuses... or geniuses of *any* kind, for that matter...
is hard to fathom.

Evil, sure. Geniuses? I'm thinking we give them too much credit.

[leftofthedial]

19. abso frigging lutely

the bush cabal and their friends make money from suffering and chaos

it's their business model

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. People thought it was a "Bushism" when Shrub said "Chaos out of order". He was telling the truth,

and I've known it all along.

[leftchick]

21. WE ARE NEVER LEAVING!

unless kicked out of course. Here is an excellent thread by Ms. Stephanie....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3110161

[Virginia Dare]

22. Plus, it was a big cash cow for the military industrial complex...n/t

[blues90]

23. It does seem like this has been their plan all along .

Even though I hoped not .

I look at the posts on this subject and the news about a possible attack on Iran is all over the place now . Bush as much as said it last wed .

It is difficult to imagine that all the failures in Iraq were an accident . They started out with to few troops and their shock and awe campaign .

This surge almost reinforces the deliberate failure .

If they cared about the troops at all they would have given then proper equipement from the start .

It also seems that anyone now who thinks they will attack Iran is a fool to thing so but I don't .

I don;t think we will know when , we will hear it as sudden as the 9/11 attack .

It is a scary thing indeed , not only for the people in and around Iran but for the possibility of really being attacked here in the US .

This may very well trigger WW III and even if not the outcome will be devastating to many thousands .

[rustydad]

24. Yes but......

It really makes no sense to create a US empire in the ME. All they have that we want is energy, oil and nat gas. But O/G are traded on the world market. So controlling the O/G of Iraq, Iran and even SA would give us what? Cheap energy? A way to blackmail China, Europe, Japan into doing our bidding? Do you folks really think that the bush cabal wants to insure that joe sixpack has cheap gas for his big jimmy 4X4?

My take is that these guys are all failures in real life. Everything bush has touched all his life has failed. Cheeney not much better. Rumsfield as a military expert is/was an utter failure. No, things are going bad for US foriegn affaires everywhere you look. Iraq-failure. The energy stans-failures. Afganistan-failure. Central America-failures. South America-failures. Even at home they have killed the budget. They are trying to kill the environment. They have lost the Senate and House. Most State governments are turning away from them.

Face it folks, GWB and gang are looooooosers. They may take us all down with them but they still are loosers. The ones in the shadows that pull the strings of the politicians cannot be pleased with bush. They like stability, predictability. They are not idealogs. They may be evil but not crazy evil like bush/cheeney/rice. My guess is that before he can start bombing Iran or/and Syria and gamble it won't lead the WW3 the real adults will yank his chain hard. Bob

[Egalitarian]

25. Welocome aboard

the conspiracy train. Or, perhaps it would be truer to say welcome aboard the reality train. I'm thinking of a line from the (Mitchell's) Tao te Ching, "Hold on to the center".

[Cleita]

27. Without a doubt. It's according to the PNAC plan that they are

still following even though the PNAC itself has abandoned it and is now closing shop. There are too many oil and energy interests tied up in this globally for them to be able to abandon the plan and backpedal. I believe there are those who would kill them if they fail to secure all those resources permanently.

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. Ya think?

;)