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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:45 AM Original message |
Impeachment = President Colin Powell, not President Pelosi |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, Yah, I Forgot About Powell |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. I heard Rummy will be available! |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. That reality thing gets too often ignored |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. No shit. |
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Phredicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. While Powell is hardly spotless in the current mess, |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. That's the key point ... |
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Phredicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:08 AM Original message |
True, although it says something about how far the bar has been lowered |
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garthranzz (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Or revelation that Bush actually stole Ohio and other states in '04 |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Bullshit. Powell is an amoral war criminal who lied to the UN. |
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Phredicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No argument there. It's a mark of how awful |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. It's not what you and I think ... |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Besides the fact that Powell would never accept the appointment |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Mrs. Powell |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
87. I don't think Powell would take the job |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
84. Not to mention, he helped to try to coverup My Lai |
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NinetySix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. I see nothing in either the Act or the Amendment that states |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. The succession act was written for a different purpose |
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NinetySix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. But it explicitly cites "removal from office" as one condition. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. It's the political point |
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NinetySix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. But whether the act is Constitutional or consistent with statute |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
70. Newsweek Polls demonstrates "impeachment would be a lot better received by the public. . " |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Interesting journal entry |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. All closed social systems create their own reality to some degree. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
6. Plus, there's one more thing |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
7. I didn't realize that impeachment was used to select the president |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. That's not the point of the OP |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
8. I think the likely scenario will be that Cheney will resign due to health |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. I like this. A lot. |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
9. The racist slant of the GOP would not allow the party to appoint Powell |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I don't know. They love power more than they hate black folk. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. A Powell presidency scares me |
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FyurFly (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
48. A Pelosi presidency scares me n/t |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
73. Why does a Pelosi presidency "scare" you? What do you have against Nancy Pelosi? |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
14. K&R |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
16. I disagree. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
22. Not necessarily |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. A Democratic Congress allowed Nixon to choose his successor |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. These are unprecedented times. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Those were unprecedented times, as well |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. The point is that when Agnew resigned before Nixon faced ... |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
60. One thing that might be different this time is the allowing of pardons... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
83. The power of the POTUS to pardon is absolute |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 08:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Maybe that's the deal that could be cut with the Republicans... |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
51. To a certain extent yes, but Ford was a very moderate Rethug |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
76. IMHO, there was a lot of behind-the-scenes negotiating. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Too theoretical. As a practical matter, it won't happen. |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
26. The Objective of Impeachment is Justice |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. No argument with your general point |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. Not exactly -- It is a First Line of Defense... |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
28. Thanks for setting me straight. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
29. You're Wrong. All They Have To Do Is Not Approve Cheney's VP Nomination |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. They could, but they won't |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Or impeach Cheney in the AM & ignore Bush's nomination ... |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. What has to happen to make that happen |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
64. You are technically correct. |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
35. Never Powell. The Bushies HATE him |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. The Bushies wouldn't be influencing the decision by then. |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
71. The Bushies will never go away |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
38. Non-impeachment scenario |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. LOL!! The once scenario I did not take in account-- Bush and Cheney go hunting! |
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RevolutionStartsNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. LOL! |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
43. This is all rather irrelevant. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Scary but interesting nt |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. I think if somebody had suggested to you 6 years ago that something like 9/11 would happen |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
46. If something like this happens, it won't be McCain |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Brain freeze.... cannot think .....that thought ..... ugghhhhh |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
49. ...and if I have read the amendments correctly... |
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ktlyon (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
50. I am still waiting for Cheney to resign so they can have |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
53. "shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress." |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
55. Here's the biggest reason why Powell would get the nomination... |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
57. And, in all reality, impeachment will probably not happen. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
58. Investigations will include Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and POWELL |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Here's why I think Powell can prove he was out of the loop |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. "he was trying to prevent misinformation from getting in" by presenting misinformation? |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
63. Powell's just a really |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. Maybe my reading skills have left me, but I don't think that the |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
65. And if Bush and Cheney are impeached and removed simultaneously |
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reformed_military (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
66. The key to the 25th is that both houses of congress... |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
67. Don't need to impeach "serially" -- getting serious about impeachment of both. . . |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. The main point of my OP was to get the facts right |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. My bad. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. 'the Republican minority could beat them to impeachment' |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Unfortunately, time is not on our side. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. I agree delay could be fatal, but |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Their current "political calculation" 100% one sided. . . |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
79. Dems can filibuster/delay the VP confirmation until the 2nd one is impeached. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. The point isn't what they can do, but what they will do |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Dems would be risking the 2008 presidency in a move like that |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
88. There is no way in hell 16 Republican Senators are |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I think one way to deal with this is to at least cut a deal to not allow pardons.. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
90. Powell lied to start a war just like Bush did. |
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