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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:29 PM Original message |
Oregon (and other NW) people: what is it that makes the roads there dangerous in winter? |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. IIRC, it is a forest service road in the mountains. |
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MidnightRyder (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Seven Devils is fun! |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. That is the one! |
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MidnightRyder (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Mapleton is crazy |
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133724 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
73. I took FS Road #24 a few year ago |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 07:57 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You need those dirt-bike metal-spiked tires to drive in those conditions. |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well, a number of things... |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 08:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
77. What is frozen fog? |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. It's probably the same thing we call "ice fog" in Alaska |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. I've driven through the same mountains... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. What are those mountains? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Coast range. |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. Not a lot of busy roads and highways. Very rough terrain and lots |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I never realized until the past couple of days just how rural much of Oregon is |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. But in other parts of the state, it is very mild and not at all wintry. |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Out here in Aloha, I think we get it a little worse than in the city itself. |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I've cross-country skied in Portland before. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. I used to live on Mt. Tabor. We got a big snowfall in early '98, I believe. |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. For those who don't live in Oregon, here's a precipitation map. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Portland should hire some Twin Cities people |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I lived in Alaska for years. |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Heck, I've noticed that when we go from summer dry to the first rain |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. it's true, Portland has some of the worst drivers I've ever seen |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Y'know, I've heard that about every place I've lived in the past 50 years. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. NJ really does have the worst drivers in the nation |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. hmm, one of the worst Portland drivers I knew was from NJ |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. LOL. Your response cracks me up!!! |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 03:01 AM Response to Reply #63 |
75. LOL....I didn't know you knew my dad.... |
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mindfulNJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. As someone who just moved from NJ |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
57. As with any skill-- |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. It is the ice that really gets us out here, for example |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
56. That's because they have so many of them that preparing for them-- |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Climate-wise, this is an extremely diverse state. We have everything |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
48. Yeah, no services is right. Try to find a bathroom after many miles |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. It's not just that it's rural... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's remote |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. How long is the road? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Oh gosh, it's beautiful! Rogue River country |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Ok, now I definitely see can how they got stuck there |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Another problem |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. My sister and I used to go for "hell rides" through Bear Mountain State Park |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. It 's a 'pass' road |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Sheesh, after all this time you'd think they'd at least put some lights there |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Very remote. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. These aren't roads meant for through traffic. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
71. The costs would be incredible. |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. They were on a Forest Service road. |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. We have to repair a small section of a forest service road nearly every spring |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. Rugged terrain, shitty roads and more tall trees than you can ever imagine |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. You can just go 100 yards into the woods in the mountains |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. They apparently took a wrong turn; that's what put them on the |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. There's a lot of wilderness in Oregon. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The Donner Pass? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Yep, the very same one. The I-80 crosses it from the California |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
58. Driving my 18 wheeler from Sacramento to Chicago I spent the night |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 08:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Driving a rig in those conditions is probably the hardest thing to do |
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murphymom (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
27. Not a lot of "there" here |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
29. plenty of terrain pictures at the Oregonian (local daily) website |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Thanks for the link |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. Thanks, Organism. Beautiful photos, but cruel and dangerous terrain. |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
39. They're dangerous because they are untraveled |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
41. Black ice, frozen fog. |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
44. Well, in this case ,sadly, poor judgement |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
47. It's hard to imagine that type of terrain |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
51. Here's a satellite image of the area |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 02:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Wrong link in above post |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
52. I take the logging roads to the market each week. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Mountain lions? |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. There was some discussion about Mr. Kim and wildlife, specifically bears. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Aren't bears hibernating now? |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
53. We moved to Oregon from Southern Cal |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:13 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Whwn we lived in "snow country" we always had 50 lb of cat litter in the trunk |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:25 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Enough posters to give a rough idea of just what roads like these are like... |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Thanks, Hayu_lol. You sound very well prepared and certainly have given us pause to |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. A friend of mine that lives in Oregon |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. We got plenty of "black ice" 25 miles west of Boston, beyond Rt 128. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Black ice is a big problem way down here in Oklahoma, believe it or not |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. And what makes that much worse.. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Believe me, I know! I'm in Dallas 20 or so times a year. Don't always |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. When I lived in Mass, I fell while walking on black ice. |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
74. uhhhh, trust me, nothing like NJ... |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. All depends on what part of New |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
78. Not to change the subject too much |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
79. Even our mountain HIGHWAYS are confusing. Many are only 2-lane and intersect |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
84. I'm driving that same road outside Grants Pass tomorrow...piece of cake in my |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
86. On hardball, snow over ice is always fun |
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