Can we impeach a Vice President?

[trumad]

and if so, why not go after Cheney?

[Sherman A1]

1. Of course he can be impeached

[trumad]

3. Then wouldn't be more practical to go after Dick?

[Sherman A1]

5. Perhaps

And I would love to see him impeached, however who is the person that took the oath of office as President? We certainly don't believe that W. did all this alone, but he is ultimately the responsible party.

[William769]

11. I go after Dick all the time.

:evilgrin:

[smoogatz]

26. Okay now--cut that out!

First you made me laugh when I was supposed to be grading deadly dull student papers. Than you made me accidentally reply to the wrong post. You are BAD.

[MethuenProgressive]

2. Go for them both. ITMFsA!

[smoogatz]

25. woops.

I meant to repsond to the above post. Sorry.

[TahitiNut]

4. Impeach. Indict. Imprison. (Rinse. Repeat.)

I don't particualrly care which hair(ball) goes to prison first. But forestall the avalanche of pardons, for God's sake.

[Monkeyman]

6. Yep Bush will pardon 100's

[TahitiNut]

13. That's why it's imperative that both are removed.

We cannot regard ourselves as other than an outlaw nation as long as justice is not done.

[pnwmom]

20. Impeachment won't remove anyone from office.

It's comparable to an indictment.

To remove someone from office would take a 2/3 vote for conviction in the Senate, where we only have a bare majority of votes.

[TahitiNut]

21. That's why I said 'removed' instead of merely 'impeached'.

[cascadiance]

38. 21 Republicans are up for re-election in 2008 in the Senate!

vs. 12 Democrats! A lot of those folks will be feeling really vulnerable if they vote the wrong way on an impeachment vote. It is up to all of us to remind them HEAVILY of the consequences of "choosing wrongly"!

Just like we didn't have 2/3rd's Democrats in the Senate when Nixon resigned (and felt like his number was up), we don't need 2/3rds Democrats in the Senate to convict Bush. Especially when 21 of them are worried (or SHOULD be worried) about their jobs!

Remind them also that a wrong vote on impeachment might also seriously impair their ability to do any fillibustering in 2008 onward if they lose the White House then AND a big chunk of the Senate...

[Gregorian]

7. Federal and even state officials can be impeached.

Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon was being discussed last night on cspan. He had impeachment proceedings against him in the 30's for reasons not to dissimilar to those going on today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Succession_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States

[bullimiami]

8. and supreme court (in)justices and attorneys general (ie torture czar)

[beth9999]

34. Agreed.

In fact, we should be focusing on Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and Alito before we deal with Bush/Cheney. The fact is that Bush and Cheney will be gone in two years no matter what. These other repugs, however, are with us for life unless we impeach and remove them.

[H2O Man]

9. There are 100

good reasons to target Cheney for impeachment. There are zero good reasons to not focus on Cheney.

[bobbolink]

10. Go after Edgar Bergen, rather than Mortimer Snerd.

The suggestion of going after Cheney first has been made on DU, quite some time ago. I would suggest reading H2O's threads on impeachment. As he usually does, he laid out an excellent case for Cheney. It's worth the read.

[smoogatz]

27. Well said.

I second that emotion.

[Lilith Velkor]

12. We sure can, and should do so ASAP.

[catmandu57]

14. I would imagine

that the order of investigation, and the who has been laid out and we're just waiting for January to begin. Darth rummy is gone, but he'll fall into the judicial system, kindasleazy is next in line then deadeye.

If georgie* w moran doesn't resign in disgrace the same fate awaits him. I still want to see the son of a bitch in prison, preferably the Hague.

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Bush/Cheney either need to be impeached together

or be forced to resign together.

In the past, I was in favor of impeaching Cheney first, so that Bush would be forced to select a new VP who would have to be approved by Congress. Once the DEMS are in control, I'd rather see both being forced to resign at the same time.

[enough already]

16. Go after both of them

A nazi war criminal is a nazi war criminal.

[Disturbed]

17. Once real Investigation begins Cheney will probably resign.

Right after he does so, the Impeachment of GWB should begin.

[lpbk2713]

18. Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution .....

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of , Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


Spiro T. Agnew (I love that name, reminds me of Barbara Sharma) came close to being impeached but he was allowed to resign.



Ed to ad ..... Link: http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5055&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=1061

[beth9999]

22. Agnew wasn't "allowed" to resign...

... he just did. You can't stop a President, VP, etc. from resigning before impeachment.

[lpbk2713]

23. They made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

His own inner circle told him he could choose to either resign or face prosecution. He really had no choice at all.


(This link is from www.senate.gov and not from the dayum librul media by the way.)


Link: http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/VP_Spiro_Agnew.htm


Nixon's new chief of staff and "crisis manager," General Alexander M. Haig, Jr., was haunted by the specter of a double impeachment of the president and vice president, which could turn the presidency over to congressional Democrats. General Haig therefore took the initiative in forcing Agnew out of office. He instructed Agnew's staff that the president wanted no more speeches like the one in Los Angeles. He further advised that the Justice Department would prosecute Agnew on the charge of failing to record on his income tax returns the cash contributions he had received. Haig assured Agnew's staff that, if the vice president resigned and pleaded guilty on the tax charge, the government would settle the other charges against him and he would serve no jail sentence. But if Agnew continued to fight, "it can and will get nasty and dirty." From this report, Agnew concluded that the president had abandoned him. The vice president even feared for his life, reading into Haig's message: "go quietly—or else." General Haig similarly found Agnew menacing enough to alert Mrs. Haig that should he disappear she "might want to look inside any recently poured concrete bridge pilings in Maryland."



Meanwhile, Agnew's attorneys had entered into plea bargaining with the federal prosecutors. In return for pleading nolo contendere, or no contest, to the tax charge and paying $160,000 in back taxes (with the help of a loan from Frank Sinatra), he would receive a suspended sentence and a $10,000 fine. On October 10, 1973, while Spiro T. Agnew appeared in federal court in Baltimore, his letter of resignation was delivered to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Agnew was only the second vice president to resign the office (John C. Calhoun had been the first). Prior to resigning, Agnew paid a last visit to President Nixon, who assured him that what he was doing was best for his family and his country. When he later recalled the president's gaunt appearance, Agnew wrote: "It was hard to believe he was not genuinely sorry about the course of events. Within two days, this consummate actor would be celebrating his appointment of a new Vice-President with never a thought of me."



In a way you're right. He wasn't just 'allowed' to resign. He was told to resign.





Do you like my pic of Limbaugh?

[Kolesar]

29. How do I "borrow" your whirling winger graphic?

The guy who gave us Missouri. God, that's funny.

[lpbk2713]

30. Be my guest.

You have to right click and 'save image as' on your hard drive. Frome there you have to upload it to a host like www.Photobucket.com or www.Onfinite.com (there are others, just google *jpg hosting*). After you get it there all you have to do is link to it from a thread.

[Kolesar]

31. with internet explorer, I do "save picture as" and only get a .gif

It is only one frame. It does not adequately express the subject's "gelatinous blubberiness".
:rofl:I had this problem snagging a Napoleon Dynamite clip.

[lpbk2713]

33. It's OK that it is a *gif*

It will animate once you link to it at a host.

[Kolesar]

35. Now we're having fun

I already had a freeservers site--thanks

[lpbk2713]

37. This is good.

Whatever makes Pimple-Butt look like the jerk that he is can't be bad.


Here's another one I like.

[Kolesar]

39. So, I presume you bought some video capture and editing program

So that you could reframe and parse out the segment that you wanted to show. I expect that you grabbed the video from some website that had already done the capture off of a cable network. What program do you like?

[Jack Rabbit]

19. Yes, we can and should go after Cheney

There are plenty of good and valid reasons to impeach the Frat Boy and there are even more reasons to go after the Big Dick. There is little that Bush has done that Cheney was not also a part and a few things that Cheney has done on his own.

Like I said, bartender: impeachment and make it a double.

[truedelphi]

24. Yep, I think the case about Valerie Polame is far stronger in terms

stronger in terms of Cheney than Bush.

That to me was treason - the outing of a CIA operative.

[smoogatz]

28. My guess is that Cheney will resign in the next six months or so

in an attempt to forestall any such investigation. Bush and Gonzalez will fight it every inch of the way, claiming executive privilege every time anyone in congress subpoenas documents or testimony. Bush can also hand out blanket pardons in order to prevent damaging testimony from underlings, but he would do so at risk of further undermining his popularity with the public--he's only a few points better than Nixon at his lowest, and there's been no investigation into any of the many offenses he's committed yet. If his popularity tanks below Nixon's, he'll be the lamest lame duck and the most reviled president in history--there will basically be no one but his closest cadre of loyalists (and those whose careers and personal liberty depend on his good graces) to defend him.

[proudmoddemo]

32. Yes...good ol' Spirro T resigned

when it became apparent that he'd be impeached for corruption, and that had nothing to do with Watergate. Into that vacuum slid Ford's people--Cheney and Rumsfeld. It would kind of complete the circle to see Rumsfeld fired and Cheney impeached in the same year. But I'm not holding my breath on the latter.

[Wheezy]

36. Why not?

One argument goes like this:

Impeach Cheney, Bush appoints a new VP.

Impeach Bush, the new VP takes the presidency, and thereby gets huge face-time as far as the next presidential election goes.

Don't impeach Bush? Then the new VP still gets tons of face-time and *experience in the white house* for his run for presidency in 2008.

[pat_k]

40. We gave Congress the power to impeach "all civil Officers of the United States"

Any official within the executive or judiciary branches is subject to impeachment by the House and Judgment by the Senate.

Members of the House or the Senate are subject to expulsion under the rules of each respective body, not impeachment.

Contrary to what the Fascists would have us believe, the three branches of Government DO NOT share power equally.

The balance of powers FAVORS Congress. When we established our Constitution for the United States of America, we yielded NONE of our Sovereignty to ANY institution we created, but we did vest more power in Congress than the Judiciary or the Executive. As OUR VOICE it is only right that Congress has more power. How do we know we gave Congress more power? Simple. We gave Congress the Power to Impeach the President and members of the Judiciary. (The President and the Judiciary Can’t Impeach Congress).

Section 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States,
shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason,
Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.