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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:20 PM
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LEAHY TO BUSH ADMIN: Give Us Torture Docs Or We Will Subpoena Them...
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 02:55 PM by kpete
Dem judiciary leader seeks torture documents

Brian Beutler
Published: Friday November 17, 2006

In a letter addressed to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, soon to be chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee Patrick Leahy (D-VT) has requested the release of documents that outline the Bush Administration's interrogation policies.

If the request is not met, the Democratically-controlled judiciary will have the option to subpoena when the new congress begins in January.

The documents, which have long been thought to exist by observers and critics of America's national security policies, were confirmed to exist as the result of a still-pending Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by the ACLU.

One of those documents is believed to be a companion piece to the now-infamous August 2002 memorandum which redefined torture and, as a result, broadened the range of interrogation tactics permitted in the field.

more:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Dem_judiciary_leader_seeks_torture_documents_1117.html

edit to include Leahy's Letter to Gonzalez:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/17/132649/91
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:21 PM
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1. RECOMMENDED!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:23 PM
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7.  " n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:35 PM
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18. " "
:kick: :patriot:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:39 PM
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21. '
:toast:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 02:57 AM
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64. No KIDDING!
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 03:00 AM by calimary
Man, we don't mess around, do we? First Christopher Dodd taking aim at the MCA to restore habeas corpus, and now this!

Great payback to cheney from the guy he insulted on the Senate floor and told to go fuck himself. How 'bout - go fuck YOURSELF, dick? Back ATCHA. Turnabout is fair play.

So let's celebrate (here's an I-Love-DU gift):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2750391
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:22 PM
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2. That sounds like music to my ears! Kick some ass Senator Leahy!
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LilyLibber Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:22 PM
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3. Absolutely.
Go get 'em, Leahy! K & R
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:22 PM
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4. Recomended for the truth coming out
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:22 PM
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5. love that guy
I love how they are starting work now instead of January. Go Leahy!
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AdvancedProgress Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:22 PM
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6. WooHoo
Go get 'em!

:thumbsup:
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:26 PM
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11. WooHoo Too n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:23 PM
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8. Yum!
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 02:24 PM by rocknation
And if they say no, poor Nancy will have no choice but to put impeachment back on the table...

:P
rocknation
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:23 PM
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9. And When They Refuse, Send In The Federal Marshalls
Enough of this bullshit fucking around. There MUST be consequences for refusing to cooperate w/ Senatorial/Congressional subpoenas and requests for info.

K&R!
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:23 PM
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10. Damned democrats and their disarray! Where is Pelosi?
She's obviously lost control. We're doomed. Our only choice is to wait until '08 for the republicans can save us from Leahy's type of bad-for-America shenanigans!

.
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:28 PM
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15. Did you forget the sarcasm "smilie"?
Assuming you did, I would just like to say,

Hooray for a Congress that is not under anyone's thumb.

:toast:
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:26 PM
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12. I do not mind...
exposing Bush for what he is; however, I'm not for an impeachment. One must think of 08.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:16 PM
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52. Indeed, Clinton got impeached by Repubs, and Bush won the presidency
Sounds like a fine strategery to my!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:53 PM
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56. False. b*s* did NOT win.
In fact, this very website was created as dissent against his illegal ascension to power.

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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:05 AM
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61. That's cool, does that mean we also get to steal the next election
after Bush is impeached?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 06:20 PM
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81. Huh?
Not following you.

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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:07 PM
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72. I am for impeachment.
Screw '08, I'm thinking of my children and grandchildren.

These people must be taught that crime does not pay.
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Gwerlain Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:28 PM
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13. This matter needs to be addressed...
as soon as possible. K&R. Hopefully we will clean the skeletons out of this closet next year. This conduct is unforgivable in a US administration.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:57 AM
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68. But why make this demand before we're in power?
It seems to me it would carry a lot more water if we were actually in power. Kind of seems like a waste of time and energy.
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:54 AM
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80. They're not waiting , and that's the point
There's actually little they can do before the new Congress is seated in January, IMO, but giving everyone a preview of possible things to come establishes that the Dems won't play nice and won't lie down. Suits me fine.
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mitchleary Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:28 PM
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14. go
Mr Leahy, Go!!!! Time to expose these crooks.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:28 PM
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16. Here we go!....n/t
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:31 PM
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17. Kick!
Keep pushing, keep demanding answers, don't let up. :kick: :kick: :kick: Go Leahy!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:36 PM
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19. WH strategist: "A cataclysmic fight to the death" if Democrats try to subpoena.
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 02:38 PM by seafan
Dem judiciary leader seeks torture documents , Raw Story, November 17, 2006


Paul Krugman wrote in the NY Times, on November 6, 2006, the day before the midterm election:


The Constitution says that Congress and the White House are co-equal
branches of government, but Mr. Bush and his people aren't big on
constitutional niceties. Even with a docile Republican majority
controlling Congress, Mr. Bush has been in the habit of declaring that
he has the right to disobey the law he has just signed, whether it's
a law prohibiting torture or a law requiring that he hire qualified
people to run FEMA.

Just imagine, then, what he'll do if faced with demands for
information from, say, Congressional Democrats investigating war
profiteering, which seems to have been rampant. Actually, we don't
have to imagine: a White House strategist has already told Time
magazine that the administration plans a "cataclysmic fight to the
death" if Democrats in Congress try to exercise their right to issue
subpoenas -
which is one heck of a metaphor, given Mr. Bush's
history of getting American service members trapped in cataclysmic
fights where the deaths are anything but metaphors.



Them's FIGHTIN' WORDS, Karl.

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:57 PM
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23. Bring it on nm
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 04:21 PM
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33. Is that supposed to be a metaphor?
Or is it meant to be literal? I can't really think of any congressional procedure that would fit the metaphor.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:38 PM
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20. No such documents exist. Cheney has 5 tons of new paper mulch, though. nm
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 07:14 PM
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78. Not so easy--many have been identified
and the DOD has acknowledged they exist.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:50 PM
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22. YES!! Roberts, are you listening? You're next! nt
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 02:51 PM by babylonsister
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 03:06 PM
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24. YOO KNOW
that's a good idea.

Who's drinkin' Rummy behind those Bushes? Let's hop the Cheney link fence and take a peek.

K&R
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 03:13 PM
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25. Let the investigations begin.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 03:28 PM
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26. Subpoena them anyway, Patrick!! Nail those bastards to the wall!!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:13 PM
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38. Then waterboard them.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 03:30 PM
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27. Hope someone sent him this
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. excellent
contribution. Don't you ever wonder why the MSM ignores these subjects and documents? Going to stop at Montego Bay in February
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 03:51 PM
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29. Another thread mentioned
that AP received a copy. The AP report said this would be released today so I googled and found it. Should reach MSM later today. I can hope right.

Mobay is far from Kingston.:D
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 04:23 PM
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34. that's something else
The report released to the AP was done by law professors and students. Not the same thing.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:03 PM
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37. From the AP report
The analysis of transcripts and records by two lawyers for Guantanamo detainees, aided by more than two dozen law students, found that hearings that determined whether a prisoner should remain in custody gave the accused little opportunity to contest allegations against him.

"These were not hearings. These were shams," said Mark Denbeaux, an attorney and Seton Hall University law professor who along with his son, Joshua, is the author of the report. They provided an advance copy of the report to The Associated Press late Thursday and planned to release it Friday on the Internet.
-----
same report
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 04:02 PM
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31. Today's AP story: AP Gets Shocking New Report on Gitmo
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. thanks for the link seafan - forwarded to Olbermann - hope his
producers have the info and are researching it.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:41 PM
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41. I printed a few copies
and will read mine in detail tonight. It still shocks even though it should not be a surprise.
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let us vote Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 03:51 PM
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30. Go Leahy
We may get impeachment, despite Conyers and Pelosi
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 04:27 PM
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35. They're off to a good start. Do your job fellas and mommas! Keep it up!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 04:45 PM
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36. K&R-nt
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:21 PM
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39. To win in 08, the truth must come out. The truth will lead to impeachment.
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 05:21 PM by cassiepriam
No way around it.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:35 PM
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40. :BigToothysmiley:
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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:41 PM
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42. That's looks damn refreshing!
<>
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:42 PM
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43. Can you hear the shredders going in the background? nt
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 06:36 PM
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44. I want to mail a hug to Sen. Leahy
I LOVE that man...if DUers ever decide to do the whole roses thing for Leahy, you can COUNT ME IN...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 06:38 PM
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45. K & R
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 06:54 PM
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46. Leahy = wicked cool
Hell yeah!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 06:55 PM
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47. Gonzo-boy typical response? ---> "none"
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 07:16 PM
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48. The "Check" in Checks and Balances (nt)
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Left Coast Lynn Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 07:28 PM
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49. Your headline is a little misleading.
"Give Us Torture Docs Or We Will Subpoena Them"

Story says

"the Democratically-controlled judiciary will have the option to subpoena"
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:12 PM
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50. Show 'em some spine! (nt)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:13 PM
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51. K&R.
Yes!
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:18 PM
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53. Cheney should resign first. Otherwise they are going down together and will hand us
President Pelosi.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:24 PM
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54. Its just seems surreal. This admin set out to screw over
this nation from the moment they were "elected". They came out of the gate with rockets shooting out of their asses. How arrogant and shameful.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:27 PM
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55. Isn't Leahy the one that Cheney told to go F himself? eom
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:59 PM
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57. Good for him
This is what they need to focus on.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:01 PM
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58. Oh, is that way Cheney was Shredding Docs at his home last month?


http://wonkette.com/politics/dick-cheney/shreddin-with-dick-211028.php

Spotted on 10/19, by an eagle-eyed Wonkette reader: The Mid-Atlantic Shredding Services truck making its way up to the Cheney compound at the Naval Observatory.

Fun fact: Mid-Atlantic Shredding Services has been contracted by the Secret Service for our Executive Branch’s record-not-keeping needs.

The present contractor providing Pickup & Destruction of Sensitive Waste Material services is Mid Atlantic Shredding Services and the current rate is $0.095 cents per lbs.

You better get crackin’, Dick — that evidence won’t destroy itself!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:01 PM
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59. It's Smackity Smackity Smack Smack TIme!
Impeachment is off the table....and on the podium.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:43 PM
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60. .
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 02:43 AM
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62. Leahy is on fire!
:patriot:
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 02:52 AM
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63. He's just poking them right now....getting warmed up for the KO.
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coznfx Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 03:03 AM
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65. The light at the end of the tunnel for neocons
is a big, fat Demo-train, gonna chug blue all over you! Other commenters have said how great it is that our elected Democratic leaders are starting their chores now and not waiting until January, and I totally agree. It's wonderful to again have some hope that our nation and its government may continue to be guided by our precious Constitution.

IMHO, whether or not criminal activity should be subject to lawful justice is not debatable. Efforts by ANY American citizen, rich or poor, politically powerful or homeless in the street, to impede or thwart our system of justice cannot be tolerated. Regardless of possible political gains or losses at some future time, there is NO OPTION but to investigate and, if warranted, impeach, try and convict.

Thank you, Mr. Leahy, and also to all you folks in Washington who intend to pull us from the stinkhole Bushco has enthusiastically dumped us in.

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coznfx Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 03:06 AM
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66. 14 more donations to DU
came in while I wrote my last comment. Cool! If you haven't donated, c'mon ... cough up a buck or two!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:53 AM
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79. Hi coznfx!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Maryland Liberal Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:47 AM
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67. The Timing is POOR on this one
Good Idea- wrong time. That traitor Lieberman has "said" he will caucus with the Democrats - but he is a well known hawk on defense issues - and not to be trusted. Lets get his vote for leadership under our belt B4 we start launching the supoenas.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:36 AM
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69. kick
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:43 PM
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70. NOW.....I'm excited about the election results!
I was just too scared for my country to be excited after the election. The limpness of the Democrats in D.C. (going all the way back to Iran-Contra) gave me no confidence that they would ACT.

Even a historical victory gave me no excitement. After 26 years of lameness and co-option, I just don't have it in me.

BUT.....I am not just a curmudgeon - genuine ACTION against unconstitutionality can cheer me up in a nano-second.

With this and the initial move to restore Habeas Corpus......I am cheering up! This is already more than the entire Iran-Contra hearings produced.

I am now getting some election night excitement in my blood.

Please, please, please let real ACTIONS continue.....please?



:applause:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:52 PM
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71. k&r
:thumbsup:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:19 PM
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73. So Basically He's Telling Them What To Shred Now, Instead Of In January
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:09 PM
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74. they should issue subpoenas the second they take office.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:41 PM
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75. vote it up on DIGG
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:53 PM
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76. The crisis will come when Gonzales ignores a subpoena, then the SCOTUS
has to decide if they concur with Congress. And what will the current court do? What will happen when Gonzales ignores that. Only then will the world and the freepers understand what has happened to the US of A.

Remember Nixon ignored Congress' subpoena for the Watergate Tapes, saying he would have a bonfire on the White House lawn first. Then the SCOTUS weighed in with their concurrence that he must comply. That is what triggered Nixon's resignation.

But keep in mind that neither Congress nor the Court have an Army. Only the Executive has an Army, and who knows who the current crop of "Yes Sir" generals might listen to at such a dangerous time.
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 07:09 PM
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77. Oh, that is so wonderful.
Wonderful. I'm speechless.
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