Do Not Send 500,000 impeachment letters to Pelosi by her first day as speaker Jan. 3

[Clarkie1]

Now is not the time. We have investigations and a progressive domestic agenda to pursue. We will need to reach across party lines to achieve our goals.

That is all.

[Kerrytravelers]

1. Come on. It's been 6 days since the elections. What's the hold up?

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

2. Thanks but no thanks. Mine is already in the mail. n/t

[dchill]

3. OK, I won't...

so how many should I send?

[Jack Rabbit]

4. By all means, don't

Edited for typing

Send a million.

[nam78_two]

7. My thoughts exactly :)!

Sorry Clarkie1 -I am sending one for sure!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. I don't have time to write 500,000 letters by January

But I could write maybe 50 and I could ask my friends to write some too.

[immerlinks]

6. Now is the not time to be reaching across the aisle,

kissing ass or bush. Now is the time to be writing subpoenas, kicking ass and impeaching bush!

[jgraz]

11. Really? How else will we rip their nuts off?

[immerlinks]

15. If you do "rip their nuts off"

make sure you wear latex gloves. No telling where they've been or what they've been up to.

[AntiFascist]

33. hey, careful with the "nuts" business, its sexist! n/t

[jgraz]

43. OK -- who had "18 hours" in the pool on when the "sexist" charge would show up?

[donheld]

37. Tweezers

:rofl:

[donheld]

36. Now is the precisely the time to be reaching across the aisle

and smacking people like Marilyn Musgrave across the face, or giving a swift(boat) kick in the sack to Senselessbrenner. :kick:

[Bluebear]

8. Okie dokie, do you promise to let us know when the right time is?

I will be waiting by the computer waiting for the "go"!

[yurbud]

21. no kidding. Can you count the number of times the Dems said "wait" the last couple of years

and then did...NOTHING?

It's time to Give the DLCers who are getting their advice from Karl Rove a swift boot in the ass.

It was their brilliant advice that got us within inches of a one party fascist state.

No that we have a majority, they want us to wait till republicans say it's okay to pass any legislation.

Are they going to wait until they have a 99% majority before they do what members of their own party want?

[jgraz]

9. You mean we weren't each supposed to send 500,000??

Whoops.

[AlamoDemoc]

10. I am certain she is in receipt on mine already....IMPEACHMENT

[MrSlayer]

12. Yes and the investigations will lead to impeachment.

Or resignations. Calling for impeachment does not rule out investigations in some wide eyed, rabid attempt at revenge. It means do the investigations and then do what is appropriate. Inevitably leads to impeachment.

Send the letters to demand that the process be started.

[KharmaTrain]

13. We Bleed Them By 1,000 Cuts...

Why go after one crook when you can go after the entire coven? Boooshies crimes are the byproducts of many others who will escape investigation and being held accountable in the rush to "get booooosh".

Remember, corruption was the #1 issue in the past election and there's still a ton of it in the Repugnican party that will be making headlines all through next year. There's ongoing investigations and now with the GOOP losing its power, I suspect we'll have even more people coming forward to finger others...to keep their asses out of trouble and do some political payback. Waxman and others will open investigations that will slowly expose not just boooosh, but so many others in this regime that the toxic environment they had to run in this past election will be a "cakewalk" compared to what could be coming.

With each of these investigation, indictments and convictions, booooshie become more isolated, less able to intimidate and get anything done...and will be the lamest of lame ducks. Should the evidence come out that many of us suspect, impeachment would be too good for these crooks. Hard time at Gitmo would be more fitting.

Patience...let the system run its course. Why go after one sockpuppet when you can get a lot of the real operators. And even with boooosh gone, the Repugnican slime machine remains...all they do is insert another sockpuppet. The game is to get the guys who pull the strings.

[yurbud]

22. that can all happen WHILE we are yelling for Bush's head and the beauty is...

it will make the investigations look moderate by COMPARISON.

If the GOP ever bitches about investigations, Pelosi can truthfully say, "Look, my people are screaming for your head on a stick right now. It's all I can do to keep them from putting you on a plane to the Hague. Now you can cooperate, or I might have trouble holding the dogs back."

[KharmaTrain]

26. How Do Ya Think Rummy Got The Hook

I loved Randi Rhodes take on it. Pelosi has the final Senate numbers in hand at 5am, gets on the phone and calls boooosh. She then reads him the riot act, similar to what you were suggesting.

I don't think this was too far from truth. Surely if the GOOP had held the House, Rummy would still be at DOD, but that lost is what caught booosh of guard.

An ongoing investigation...a slow revelation also will bring to light in vivid detail for everyone to see. Too much, too quick, too fast allows the GOOP to re-coup and use the impeachment as a rallying point. Instead I want them to be on the constant defensive...the only way to keep a bully at bey.

Cheers...

[yurbud]

27. there was quite a bit of noise for Rummy to go too, which frankly I could never figure out

He was like the third turd of a pinch dump--doesn't look that different from the rest of them--but the symbolic victory was important, and it probably helps the morale of those in the military he pissed on.

[sam sarrha]

14. in other words we can outsourse the impeachment investigation and not get our hands dirty

[KingFlorez]

16. I agree

Some people fail to understand there must be investigations first, that impeachment hearings can't just start immediately.

[Phredicles]

18. How much more obvious does it need to be?

The unprovoked war, letting Osama get away in pursuit of said war, the inept management of same, the signing statements, the warrantless wiretaps, torture, the Plame outing, New Orleans: It's not like these are hidden secrets waiting to be uncovered. We know; everyone in DC knows.

By all means start the hearings. But it should be clear what sort of hearings these are. I believe the election results show a mandate to hold these criminal incompetents and thugs accountable. And I think the Democratic membership will only lose the public's respect yet again by shrinking away from this mandate.

[AntiFascist]

32. right, and it would be a really good thing to let the reps know where you stand...

"ooohhhh, they think its serious enough for impeachment."

[kster]

17. Republicans who want to start rebuilding their parties image NOW

instead of waiting 2 years, till * is out, will pressure * chenney to resign. If the Republicans don't pressure * chenney to get out, their party will continue in a downward spiral until they are out of office.

1) Dem's immediately start impeachment......Dem's Look like bully, may not look as good and Dem's may start losing voters from the other side for 2008.

2) Dems investigate and get the info that * chenney should be impeached........... Looks better, Impeachment begins, zero loss of any voters and makes gains for new voters.

Immediate Impeachment helps the Republicans, Investigations help the Dem's. Investigations is a win win for the Dem's.

Thats just my opinion.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

31. Mine too

Good strategery. :thumbsup:

Instant gratification has no long view. The goal is not just to get rid of Bush, but retake the WH.

If we kick off with impeachment we have no place to go by 2008, meanwhile the GOP can sell themselves with an "UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT" sign.

We won as anti-Bush this year. It won't happen again. We have to accomplish positives to sell ourselves two years from now.

I'm pretty sick of the "anti-" platform. It may be right, it may be what we've been forced to be, but linguistically it's negative and it won't sustain us.

[Generic Other]

19. I've already called Pelosi's office

They are getting lots of calls from folks wanting to know what's holding up the show. The base wants Bush out. NOW.

[yurbud]

23. if they are careful and subtle about this, right will regain their composure, come back, and tear

out their jugular.

and next time the right won't be so dainty about how they destroy democracy. they'll do it all in one fell swoop.

[bridgit]

20. good call...

[Zhade]

24. Send one every week. By mail. Or fax.

Bury her office in letters.

Ignore those who would rather whistle past the graveyard of the rule of law.

SEND THOSE LETTERS!

(Now, to kick the other thread past this stupid copycat thread!)

[yurbud]

28. muchas gracias

[yurbud]

25. And whatever you do, do NOT send this letter or postcard (LINKS)

That would be wrong.

Apparently, democracy means you vote, then shut the fuck up so they can go back to servicing their corporate clients.

Maybe if we are really quiet, we'll only get five more years of war too.

LETTER:

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2006/11/send-500000-impeachment-letters-to.html

POSTCARD:

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2006/11/impeachment-postcards-to-send-pelosi.html

[earth mom]

29. Why push this meme? Guess you don't believe in the Constitution.

Or that this country is BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

For Shame! :puke:

[B Calm]

30. I agree, it should be one million impeachment letters !!

[pat_k]

34. We can't afford delay. The urgency cannot be underestimated.

Keep those cards and letters going!! When she took impeachment "off the table" she violated her oath and must be held to account.

The price of "putting off" Impeachment could be unimaginable

On September 10, 2001, there were many signs that sanity was returning. The number who believed Florida was stolen had passed 50%. Bush's approval was continuing the steady downward slide that started the day he was inaugurated. A coalition led by Democrats.com that included the National Lawyers Guild and Vincent Bugliosi was about http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2701395&mesg_id=2707042">to announce their "fall offensive" -- a campaign that that included the effort to see Scalia et al. impeached for Bush v. Gore.

Bush's claims to any semblance of legitimacy were crumbling fast.

Then the sun came up on 9/11/2001. In the weeks that followed, the countless people who were horrified by the stolen election and Bush's incredible abuses were silenced in a nation that had seemingly gone mad.

Sanity is once again returning, but we must recognize how fragile the moment is.

The urgency cannot be underestimated. Taking up the fight for impeachment now is a scary thing, but members of Congress must "Just Do It." Any day we could see another terrorist attack; Bush could declare war on Iran or Syria or North Korea or Venezuela or even Haiti; or some completely unforeseen event could make it impossible to rescue our national soul for a long time to come.

A message to "investigations first" people

"We must have investigations" says one thing" "we don't know enough to impeach." That statement is a lie. We know all we need to know http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/10">right now. Claiming "we need more" undermines the powerful case we already have.

Seeking refuge from action in investigation makes it much HARDER to convey the simple truth. It puts us on the fascist's turf ("If the case is simple why are they having all those hearings? They're just blowing hot air. They don't have anything. If they did, they would have impeached already")

We must to stop pretending and get on with it. The Constitution is being tortured in plain sight. We must rescue it by removing the torturers from power. Thorough investigation, prosecution, and punishment must follow, but FIRST we must take away the power they are abusing.

"Pelosi's Pledge" Must Not Stand!

It is impossible to carry out their duty to defend the Constitution if the only mechanism by which certain types of threats can be eliminated is "off the table." It is effectively a violation of her congressional oath to say impeachment is "off the table."

It is like answering questions about whether the use of military force is off the table -- the answer to that one is ALWAYS "nothing is off the table." Use of force is a weapon of last resort, but leaders never take the weapons we have made available for our defense "off the table." All she had to do was point that out and take the same stand that Jan Schakowski did:.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/85997,CST-EDT-HUNT06.articleprint">Dem denials don't end talk of impeachment
October 6, 2006

. . .this response from Rep. Jan Schakowsky, who as chief deputy whip occupies a leadership position for Democrats:

"Whether the president has committed acts that meet the standard for 'high crimes and misdemeanors,' which constitute an impeachable offense, is not defined in the Constitution or in a statute. It is a determination made by the House of Representatives. To that end, I am a co-sponsor of . . . Conyers' resolution to authorize an investigation into whether grounds exist for the impeachment of President Bush based on his manipulation of pre-war intelligence and use of torture."

"Impeachment proceedings are very serious and must never be used for political purposes," Schakowsky wrote. "However, that does not mean that they should never be used. They may be warranted in the case of President Bush in light of the extreme seriousness of the issues involved." She complained the GOP-controlled Congress has been derelict in conducting oversight of "an unprecedented expansion of presidential powers.". . .

Revised Oath (Changes Mandated by Pelosi's Pledge)

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and be derelict in my duty to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear foreswear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will fail to take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully negligently and faithlessly discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

[countryjake]

35. Wrote to all my Congresspeople & her, before last week was out...

what are you saying, that they don't represent me? That my wish to see someone bear responsibility for the thousands upon thousands of deaths we've witnessed over the past years, in effect, doesn't matter? That even one more Iraqi civilian or soldier or innocent bystander, whoever they may be, should die tomorrow, for a mistake?

Every single "new" voter I know sent in their ballots with boxes filled next to Democrats, for one reason and one reason, only. They want to see the bums in office thrown out on their asses, all the way up to the highest one, & they want somebody to PAY for all of these deaths that they've caused!

It's very simple, really.

Pelosi can choose to either solve the problem or be a part of it.

[yurbud]

38. a reminder why we need to do this: the Parable of the Dry Powder

the Parable of the Dry Powder

During the American Revolution, Colonel Harry Reid was sent to gaurd a key mountain pass. He had twenty men, the high ground, and a good view of all possible routes of attack, but just one small keg of gunpowder to defend the pass.

Each soldier would have powder to let just ten bullets fly. General Washington was thinking of this when he bid them good-bye. He said, "Take care boys, and keep your powder dry!" He would regret those words for they led good men to die.

One night as Reid and his boys were sitting around the campfire at their post up in the pass, a grizzly bear got scent of them and into their camp crashed. Johnny grabbed his musket and aimed at the charging bear. But before he could squeeze the trigger, Col. Reid jumped up and said, "Stand fast! Our bullets are for Redcoats, save our powder for them instead!" Johnny held his fire and the bear tore out his throat.

As the bear began to eat him, the other soldiers grabbed their guns, but Reid said, "Fight him if you must, but no bullets should let fly. Washington has ordered we must keep our powder dry."

So they turned their muskets round and swatted with the butts, they pulled their Bowie knives and they tried to slash his guts. The bear just took the beating, but he would stand the cuts. He turned on his attackers clawing flesh and chewing heads. By the time that he was finished, half Reid's men were lying dead.

Reid thought it a victory for that keg was tight and dry. Every bit of powder meant a Redcoat boy would die.

When the dead were buried, and the night lightened to day,
The watch saw Indians approaching with warpaint and sharpened blades. Bob whispered to Reid, "They are fighting for the crown." "That may be so," said Reid, "but when Redcoats come around, we need every bit of powder to shoot each soldier down."

Bob was going to answer when a bullet hit his lung.
The Indians weren't as stingy with their own powder drum.
Harry took the powder and he began to run.
Half his men were killed again,
just five left from when he had begun.

"Now we can fight," he said.
"We have plenty for each gun."

As the day was fading and they lay up there in wait, a half dozen Redcoats approached them, lined up perfect in their sights.

Tom pulled back his hammer and almost fired a shot,
but Harry grabbed his barrel and said this squad need not be fought. "A bigger army's coming, and no powder can be lost."

"But if we all are dead, then who will fire the shot?" Tom tried to wrest rifle, but in the struggle it went off. The Redcoats were upon them, and then all five were caught.


While he tied their hands, the British sargeant asked why they hadn't fired a shot. Harry Reid said nice and loudly, "I cannot tell a lie, Gen. Washington himself told me to keep my powder dry."

"But if you shot the bear, your men would have lived to fight. And if you shot the Indians, and put a bullet in my eye, you could have stole our powder and have more to be kept dry."


The soldier took his bayonet, and Harry had to die. But he cut loose the others and told them all to fly, and he even gave them the powder keg with Reid's head in it to keep the powder dry.

[mmonk]

39. Depends on what the meaning of is is.

[wtmusic]

40. Though you may be OK with POTUS committing felonies

and trashing the Constitution, I have a big problem with it. So I will be sending a letter or two or seven.

[walldude]

41. Yes, lets reach across party lines

lets extend an olive branch to those wonderful Republicans who have in the past 6 years respected our opinions, treated us with dignity, brought life, love and prosperous times to our nation. Let's reach out to those who have reached out to us, to those who have defended our constitution, to those who have led by example in the spirit of bi-partisanship....
Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: YEAH RIGHT! Uh here's a little reminder of what happened when the Republicans took over in 1994. Did they "extend the olive branch"? Was their adjenda to make life better for the American people? What was their platform? Oh yeah, their platform was to "Get Clinton"
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/13/newt-in-94-vowed-to-investigate-clinton-for-2-years-as-his-platform

They can shove their bi-partisanship up their asses. It's time to stop fucking around and drop the hammer on these assholes. In the immortal words of Alice Cooper NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!

[RiverStone]

42. Let's work to end this tragic f'd up war 1st! Then put energy into impeachment.

Yea, BushCo deserves impeachment alright - its just in the timing. Saving additional lives is a more compelling need (at the moment).