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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:56 PM
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Failed elections in Michigan
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 01:00 PM by pat_k
I've just started poking around, but it is clear that election officials in Michigan failed to conduct a free and fair election in their jurisdictions.

Officials ran out of ballots across Oakland county Pontiac county (apparently many times throughout the day) creating chaotic conditions and long waits. The counties that failed to provide a sufficient number of ballots to every precint failed to provide a "free and fair" election.

When the conduct of an election creates barriers like this it is a failed election, pure and simple.

The 9th district is completely within Oakland county. The 8th, 11th, and 12th include parts of it. the Democratic candidate in 9th is talk show host Nancy Skinner. The dem in the 11th is Tony Tripiano.

I don't have info on the demographics of the areas affected, I don't know whether the barriers to voting are correlated with racial, socio-economic, or partisan status -- but if they are, they are discriminatory. It doesn't matter why the discrimination occurred. Only the findings of unacceptable barriers, disparately applied, matter. The results of a discriminatory election are unacceptable. Period. Assertions that "we'll fix it next time" are not acceptable.

The notion that if the margin of victory reflected in the reported results is of sufficient magnitude we are forced to dismiss violations of the right to vote is Un-American and morally repugnant. Claims that insufficient numbers were disenfranchised to change the outcome must be rejected on principle -- American principle v. Fascist principle.

(Why be so miserly with ballots? Print enough to cover every registered voters -- the cost is nothing compared to guarenteeing equal access.)

Excerpts from http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/110806/loc_2006110832.shtml

Oakland County

. . Some ran copies on their own photocopiers.

Others zipped over to a local KinkoÕs to pump out more. All around Oakland County, election officials scrambled Tuesday as precincts ran short of ballots. . .

In Oxford Township, workers ran out of ballots in Precincts 1, 7 and 4. . .I've been standing in line with about 75 to 80 people and this is the third time today (theyÕve run out of ballots),Ó he said. ÒWeÕll vote, but this isnÕt right.

How can you run out of ballots three times in one day ... not to mention the poor people outside with children standing in the rain, and canÕt come in because there is no room.



Pontiac County

. . .After waiting more than two hours for ballots to arrive, Matt Jones, 28, and Karena Herdell, 27, laid on the gymnasium floor and fell asleep, instead of leaving like many others.

I don't have a problem with the long lines because at least people are voting,Ó Herdell said. ÒBut for this to be happening is just ridiculous. How do you run out of ballots?

One election worker, who wished to remain anonymous, said representatives with the city clerkÕs office continuously said they were bringing in more ballots, but never showed up. . .

pat_k: Ms. Hardell should be concerned when the barrier to voting is too high for so many of her neighbors. Perhaps you can guessimate the number of people who leave a line, but you can never know how many went away when they saw the lines or never came because they heard about them.

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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 01:09 PM
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1. Pontiac is the open sore of Oakland County
The city proper is in dire financial straights. The city itself consist of a good mix of people from the blue coller community. A lot of people still depend on the automakers for their earnings. There is an abundance of poverty and low income people. From working the few elections I have in the city, the black voter turnout in the community is strong. The hispanics tend to support repubs. The white vote I think is split about even (lots of mullet headed kook-aid drinkers here). During 2004 there were many attenpts to suppress the vote and it doesn't surprise that it has occured again.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 05:11 PM
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2. If Nancy Skinner doesn't get all over it. . .
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 05:15 PM by pat_k
. . .need to be on the lookout for someone who will.

The 9th looks like it stinks -- and I'm just looking at limited info from a distance (NJ).
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:29 PM
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4. Most of the county had no problems
Pontiac did and another area, Waterford, ran out of ballots.

The turnout numbers in Pontiac sound low because of the affirmative action proposal we had on the ballot and we had a large GOTV effort there (I worked on Nancy's campaign). I spoke to her a little while ago and she agrees the numbers sound fishy.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:31 AM
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5. I just love DU. . .
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 12:37 AM by pat_k
. . .one post and presto, a reply from someone connected to the campaign!

For your consideration:

We know several precincts ran out of ballots. We know the shortage caused lines. We know voters who intended to vote did not because of the problems.

The question is not whether or not the problems would have "changed the result." A remedy needs to be demanded on behalf of every registered voter in every precinct that was affected. No matter how large the margin between the candidates, the precincts that had problems need to be identified.

The only way we are going to end such corruption (intentional or not) is to refuse to accept it -- demanding a remedy is one way we can "just say no."

The simplest way to remedy failures that discourage/prevent voters from voting is to designate a date and convenient location where people from the problem precincts (the ones who have not already voted) can come in and cast their vote. (There are a variety of ways such a remedy could be demanded -- e.g., could petition election officials or find a creative attorney to make a motion in court.)

Publicly demanding this type of a remedy is likely to prompt a chorus of objections. The debate is on our ground, so the more public the better.

When "special treatment" in the form of lengthy delays, misdirection, or failed equipment is brought to the public's attention, the establishment response goes something like this:

"That's the way it goes. Not fair. Don't like it. But have to accept it. Can't prove it would've changed the results."

Those who argue that we must accept "special treatment" voters are subjected to during an election expose their own hypocrisy when they attempt to argue that we must reject a remedy that offers "special treatment" to those voters after the election.

Why shouldn't the "price" for imposing intolerable barriers be to give those who were targeted (whether or not they were targeted deliberately) a completely unfettered opportunity to vote?

Claims that the remedy is unnecessary because it "it won't make a difference" are easy to deal with. Perhaps the numbers are such that the additional votes cast won't change the result. So what? Providing the remedy creates a critical precedent. Instead of giving lip service to "making sure it doesn't happen" you are creating consequences and incentives for ACTUALLY "making sure it doesn't happen again." In the process, it shows the voters who were so poorly served that their election officials are actually committed to serving them. It makes it clear that the voters are the "clients" in this.

An election that has been corrupted by barriers to voting that are correlated with racial, socio-economic, or partisan status is not a fair election. It doesn't matter whether the discrimination was intentional or unintentional. In absence of a remedy the results of a discriminatory election must be rejected on principle: ("Rejection" can take many forms -- even something as simple as what the AP did in 2000 -- they have never "called" the Florida Presidential election.)

The notion that if the margin of victory reflected in the reported results is of sufficient magnitude we are forced to dismiss violations of the right to vote is Un-American and morally repugnant. Claims that insufficient numbers were disenfranchised to change the outcome must be rejected on principle -- American principle v. Fascist principle.

(BTW, when the processes or the results of an election are suspect, most of us believe we need to prove "it" (whatever it is) "changed the results." In fact, we need to figure out ways to put the burden of proof http://january6th.org/stop_stolen_elections_now.html#notion3">where it belongs -- on the state.)
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:26 PM
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3. Pontiac is a city within Oakland County
The demographics are primarily African American and the area is well-known for election problems.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:51 AM
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6. Thanks -- I misread in article. . .
. . .and didn't figure out it wasn't a county until it was too late to correct in the post.

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