Wow! Did you read the editorial at The American Conservative magazine?

[Poiuyt]

Summary at Americablog.com:

GOP MUST GO

....It should surprise few readers that we think a vote that is seen—in America and the world at large—as a decisive “No” vote on the Bush presidency is the best outcome....

Faced on Sept. 11, 2001 with a great challenge, President Bush made little effort to understand who had attacked us and why—thus ignoring the prerequisite for crafting an effective response. He seemingly did not want to find out, and he had staffed his national-security team with people who either did not want to know or were committed to a prefabricated answer.

As a consequence, he rushed America into a war against Iraq, a war we are now losing and cannot win, one that has done far more to strengthen Islamist terrorists than anything they could possibly have done for themselves. Bush’s decision to seize Iraq will almost surely leave behind a broken state divided into warring ethnic enclaves, with hundreds of thousands killed and maimed and thousands more thirsting for revenge against the country that crossed the ocean to attack them. The invasion failed at every level...

The war will continue as long as Bush is in office, for no other reason than the feckless president can’t face the embarrassment of admitting defeat. The chain of events is not complete: Bush, having learned little from his mistakes, may yet seek to embroil America in new wars against Iran and Syria.

more -

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/11/its-all-out-civil-war-in-gop.html

[yurbud]

1. he should be in charge of communications for the Dems

so they can let Mr. Rogers retire.

[Peace Patriot]

2. Wow! When are we going to STOP CALLING BUSHITES 'CONSERVATIVES'?!

They are the most radical, disruptive, fanatical, greedy, mass murdering bunch of scabrous pirates we have ever been afflicted with. Looters, pillagers, chaos-makers. Loyal to no one. And they are ugly mirrors to the radical global corporate predators who operate from our shores, who have gobbled up all wealth and power, and who are as anti-democratic and UN-conservative and Un-american as they can be, ripping up and polluting the enviroment, destroying communities, squeezing the poor, writing our laws, and funneling money into third world countries to destroy THEIR democracies and their rights and their resources.

I knew that the meaning of "conservative" had become twisted out of recognition with the Savings and Loan lootings under Reagan. Conservatives CONSERVE--peoples' savings, pension funds, the environment, traditional values of honesty and integrity, community resources, children's educations, the future. They don't LOOT. Now we have the Bushites looting with both hands, and THEY are called "conservatives."

And they call US the "radicals"--because we oppose this radical fascist order.

Boy, things sure get distorted when Bushites are in control, and the Corporate Rulers are writing the script!

I'm glad to see the American Conservative trying to reclaim their word, and what it's supposed to stand for.

"There may be little Americans can do to atone for this presidency, which will stain our country’s reputation for a long time. But the process of recovering our good name must begin somewhere, and the logical place is in the voting booth this Nov. 7. If we are fortunate, we can produce a result that is seen—in Washington, in Peoria, and in world capitals from Prague to Kuala Lumpur—as a repudiation of George W. Bush and the war of aggression he launched against Iraq...."

I only wish they would look deeper into the matter of how this jerk and his regime gained and retained power.

[originalpckelly]

4. They are fascists, even the racist and homophobic conservatives...

hate them. They are National Socialists. Nazis.

[Bronyraurus]

5. They are radicals

There's something very radical about the ideas that they've expressed, and the policies that they've enacted. It can't truly be called "conservative!"

[TahitiNut]

9. Yep. Fascists!

How long will people ignore the elephant in the room? :eyes:

[Cha]

11. Long time ago!

Fuking Fascist Assholes has been their official title in my household for years.

[trof]

3. K&R

[dkofos]

6. Here's to a small conserative turnout.

[TahitiNut]

7. "prefabricated answer"? How many euphemisms are there for "LIE"?

War Crime! Crime Against Humanity!

[trof]

8. I dunno. How long are you gonna be around?

The list is E-N-D-L-E-S-S.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

10. They meant "prefab answer" = "invade Iraq".

American Conservative (Pat Buchanan's magazine) is not very representative of the Republican world of 2006 in that they are pretty much completely opposed to neocon foreign policy.

[BuyingThyme]

12. Make War, Vote GOP

[NVMojo]

13. my line to several GOP pals was vote no to the corrupt Republican agenda

by voting Dem.

[DeSwiss]

14. While I am heartened.....

...by these revelatory comments that are seemingly being made by countless other conservative wags here lately, in my mind it is they who are responsible for where we are. Anyone with a smidgen of intelligence should have been able to see through the BS that is George W. Bush right from the start in 2000. And I think many of them did. But they voted for him nonetheless because he was one of theirs. It is only now that when America has become reviled by nation after nation that they are prepared to accept that their choice was foolhardy (albeit grudgingly).

These Johnnie-come-lately's are welcomed in the fight to preserve our freedoms, and should be talking, no SCREAMING this message at the top of their lungs to their own. But more importantly they need to evaluate what got us where we are in the first place. It was the abandonment of the founding principles of individual freedom and choice (i.e.-getting in bed with evangelicals starting with Reagan) that was at the core of this. We are where we are because they believed that using the religious-right politically would not somehow also polarized and divide the nation. But it did, and it had to. And it opened the door to all other kinds of divisions and rather than being a nation of consensus and compromise, our political discourse has descended into attacks upon a person's character rather than the issues of governance.

It was this same intolerance for religious belief that led pilgrims to risk their lives to come to the New World and eventually establish this country. And that same religious intolerance they experienced they later applied to others based primarily upon racial, sex and sexual orientation differences. Such a limited world view once caused a civil war in this country, and is the cause of the social-ideological war we are now in. If this is not reckoned with, we will no doubt find ourselves revisiting this same problems. Because we will have covered them over rather than addressing them within the context of individual freedom -- FIRST, LAST and ALWAYS. Without individual freedom and equality as the foundation of our national sense of ourselves, and of the understanding and that the rights of everyone should always be paramount -- regardless of who they are or what god (if any) they believe in, we cannot hope to remain free.



k & r

[WFF]

15. I find it hard to admit I agree with Pat Buchanan, but this time I do

[pacalo]

16. Interesting read, considering it was from a conservative publication.

The word "win" in regard to the Iraq war seems inappropriate, considering we "lost" by just invading it. (Yes, Saddam was a sadistic dictator, but there are many others in the world & we have enough pressing issues in our own country without spending billions of dollars to remove one dictator.) Using the words "win" & "lose" undermines the fact that the Iraq matter was a mistake from the get-go; we "lost" because we were duped. The only one who seems to have "won" at this point is our rich, spoiled boy king who will get to see Saddam hanged because "he tried to kill my daddy." And, yes, there will be Iraqis who will enjoy seeing him hanged, too, but at what cost: hundreds of thousands of innocents who have died or have been tortured because they are suspected & convicted without any laws to prove their innocence. And heaven knows what awaits the Iraqis after Saddam is hanged.

[BadGimp]

17. And to make matter worse...

"

Bush,

having learned little from his mistakes,

may yet seek to embroil America in new wars against Iran and Syria.

"

This is the harhest reality we face. They are betting win or loose on Tues, Bush will start yet another needless, imoral, illegal war.

God help us please.