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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:39 AM
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Mr. Cheney knows the torturers, their tactics and techniques.
Let's begin by naming some of the more recent "endorsers" and documenting the history of the "policy" of real terrorists that have harmed America and made Americans less safe worldwide.

George W. Bush
Richard Cheney
Donald Rumsfeld
John Ashcroft
Alberto Gonzales
Paul Wolfowitz
Richard Perle
John Negroponte
General Richardo Sanchez
Jay S. Bybee
Viet Dinh
John Yoo
Stephen Cambone
Porter Goss
General Geoffrey Miller
General William Boykin
Col. Thomas M. Pappas
General Mark Kimmit

That's just for starters Mr. Cheney.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:10 AM
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1. Mr. Cheney knew about torture, officially, in 1992
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:30 AM
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2. University of Wisconsin History Professor Alfred W. McCoy
wrote "A Question Of Torture: CIA Interrogation, From The Cold War To The War On Terror" ( published by Metropolitan Books; Henry Holt and Company 2006) Mr. Cheney.

Professor McCoy also wrote "The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia", "Drug Traffic: Narcotics and Organized Crime in Australia", "Closer Than Brothers: Manhood at the Philippine Military Academy" and many articles.

Professor McCoy's latest work, as well as the collective works of many others, could be used in any civilized nation prosecuting war crimes and crimes against humanity-like torture, Mr. Cheney.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 11:55 AM
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3. Mr. Cheney on Meet The Press September 16, 2001:
"A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
That's the world these folks operate in. And so it's going to be vital for us to USE ANY MEANS AT OUR DISPOSAL, BASICALLY, TO ACHIEVE OUR OBJECTIVE."

We know you were speaking for the Vulcans, the shadow government, not Americans, Mr. Cheney et al.
You are a lying war criminal and treasonous profiteer Mr. Cheney, that has always followed the criminal policy of, in your words, "...USE ANY MEANS AT OUR DISPOSAL, BASICALLY, TO ACHIEVE OUR OBJECTIVE."

Related links dump
Bush Administration Documents on Interrogation
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62516-2004Jun22.html

Jane Mayer's work on torture "policy"
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050214fa_fact6?050214fa_fact6

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060227fa_fact




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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:46 PM
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11. "A lot of what needs to be done here ...
will have to be done quietly, WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION..."

Just the opposite of the way our democracy is suppoded to work - what's the word? - Constitutionally - yeah that's it. The way we're going to deal with YOU, Mr. Cheney - LOUDLY, WITH LOTS OF DISCUSSION! CONSTITUTIONALLY!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:05 PM
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14. YES! eom
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:00 PM
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4. Gentlemen, report . . .



The Palace of Peace
The Hague
Home of the International Criminal Court

Photo from the Dossier Nederland (The Netherlands)
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 12:57 PM
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5. The torture tactics and techniques of Mr. Cheney were derived from Nazis
that were clandestinely "recruited" and given identities and jobs as Americans working in national security against communism.

These real Nazis found a political home in the RW of The Republican Party which had helped to finance the Third Reich's rise to power. That legacy continues, that is why the inner circle around Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush includes people like war criminal Henry Kissinger-that is why Henry Kissinger's former Chief of Staff L. Paul Bremer was in charge of Iraq for awhile, but I don't want to digress from the topic of torture as policy Mr. Cheney et al.


Torture's Teachers
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/langguthleaf.html

A Bolivian example of what the shadow government RW Republicans have embraced
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story40.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:21 AM
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24. CIA to Release More Papers About Nazi War Criminals
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A3262-2005Feb6?language=printer

Kind of ironic that DeWine would do that, but the PAPERCLIP Nazis that were blended into the foundation of our national security community also taught TORTURE.

The Clinton administration prosecuted Nazis.

George W. Bush's administration has been inspired by Nazis and W. comes from a family that treasonously profited with and financially enabled Nazis-no wonder it's ok with the decider to torture and disappear anyone, commit war crimes, establish a gulag, lie as policy, do away with habeas corpus, use propaganda and psychological warfare for political reasons, ignore real science and replace it with ideologically driven theories-especially eugenics, give corporations more rights than citizens, use criminal mercenaries and racist thugs to carry out "foreign policy"-including the use of TORTURE-which has created many enemies of Americans and puts our US military at extreme risk if captured because this administration doesn't apply the Geneva Conventions or the findings of the Nuremberg Trials to it's criminal agenda of building an empire.

And the US Congress dominated by extreme RW Republicans gave its stamp of approval to all of this fascist police state crap-including TORTURE.

But Mr. Cheney et al don't care about that.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:07 PM
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6. Some of Halliburton's sub-contractors torture for profit, right, Mr. Cheney?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:24 AM
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18. "Dick Cheney may be fitted for new Halliburton uniform: a striped jumpsuit"
by Evelyn Pringle
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1390.shtml

A BFEE "gulag" exists worldwide, right Mr. Cheney?

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:41 PM
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7. Torture is a domestic issue here in Mr. Cheney et al's Homeland
Prisons at Center of Damning Report on Human Rights
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0712-08.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 01:46 PM
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8. BUSH TO BRUSSELS!
BUSH TO BRUSSELS!

from a friend of mine

Belgium's War Crimes Law invokes the concept of universal jurisdiction to allow anyone to bring war crime charges in Belgian courts, regardless of where the alleged crimes have taken place.

Because many cases were filed against George W. Bush and because Bush threatened to remove the NATO Headquarters from Brussels it has shredded by July 12, 2003 by the Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt, however Amnesty International and five other groups fought the shredding and took it to the Constitutional Court where the law has reinstated because the shredding was undemocratic and in violation of the Belgian constitution. Therefore it is once again operational since June 21, 2006.

As you might know the International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction over the Bush administration after Bush passed the "The Hague Invasion Act" of 2001 and even if it did, it cannot look into cases prior to July 2002 because there were a couple of possible war crimes committed in Rwanda (France, Belgium) and Yugoslavia (United Kingdom, Germany, The Netherlands) by the partcipating nations.

BUSH TO BRUSSELS!




http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061120/brechersmith

War Criminals, Beware


On November 14 a group of lawyers and other experts will come before the German federal prosecutor and ask him to open a criminal investigation targeting Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzales and other key Bush Administration figures for war crimes. The recent passage of the Military Commissions Act provides a central argument for the legal action, under the doctrine of universal jurisdiction: It demonstrates the intent of the Bush Administration to immunize itself legally from prosecution in the United States, even for the most serious crimes.

The Rumsfeld action was announced at a conference in New York City in late October titled "Is Universal Jurisdiction an Effective Tool?" The doctrine allows domestic courts to prosecute international crimes regardless of where the crime was committed, the nationality of the perpetrator or the nationality of the victim. It is reserved for only the most heinous offenses: genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity, including torture. A number of countries around the world have enacted universal jurisdiction statutes; even the United States allows it for certain terrorist offenses and torture.

Many of the participants in the New York conference were human rights lawyers who have been expanding the use of universal jurisdiction since it was employed against former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. In a recent case brought in Spain, for example, Argentine Adolfo Scilingo was tried and found guilty of crimes against humanity he committed in Argentina and sentenced to serve a 640-year prison term . The decision was made to try to prosecute Rumsfeld in Germany because its laws facilitate the use of universal jurisdiction.


The conference was sponsored by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), which is bringing the case against Rumsfeld, and by the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH), a network of 141 national human rights organizations founded in 1922.

An earlier case against Rumsfeld was brought two years ago in Germany by CCR on behalf of four Iraqi victims of Abu Ghraib, drawing largely on documents and photos that revealed abuse at the prison. As the case was being considered, a security conference loomed in Munich. Rumsfeld, who could have been served papers or even arrested, refused to attend unless the case was dismissed. It was dismissed February 10; Rumsfeld flew to Germany the next day.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:05 PM
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9. You know that the decider decided to personally extend the national
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 02:06 PM by bobthedrummer
state of emergency declared in his PO 13224 for another year
http://cryptome.org/pn092106.htm

and I know how detailed oriented you are, SLAD, so check out Section 4.3 of what was "decided" by this "amendment" to another Executive Order-it has to do with Special Access Programs (which include torture) and is coded in the tortured legalese favored by authoritarian criminals
http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:40 PM
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10. Can anyone else add to the list in the first post? Add-that reminds me
David S. Addington, your counsel, Mr. Cheney.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:48 PM
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12. Addington - Top of the List
ADDINGTON'S ROLE IN CHENEY'S OFFICE DRAWS FRESH ATTENTION

That's David (Geneva Convention is "Quaint") Addington


http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1030nj1.htm

By Murray Waas and Paul Singer

10-30-05

David Addington, counsel to Vice President Cheney, has been named to succeed Scooter Libby as Cheney's chief of staff. Addington's own role in the Plame matter is emerging just as the vice president selects him for the top job.

...

Further, Addington played a leading role in 2004 on behalf of the Bush administration when it refused to give the Senate Intelligence Committee documents from Libby's office on the alleged misuse of intelligence information regarding Iraq. Because Addington may be in line to succeed Libby, the Intelligence Committee-White House battle over the documents has sparked new interest on Capitol Hill.

....

Rockefeller's call for an inquiry by the Intelligence Committee captured the attention of many senators Friday, but did not attract wider press attention. It also surprised senators because Rockefeller, who is a political moderate, was often praised by the Republican chairman of the committee, Pat Roberts of Kansas, and other Republicans for serving as vice chairman in a bipartisan matter. Indeed, some other Democratic senators on the committee have privately complained that Rockefeller had not pressed Republicans hard enough on some oversight issues.

....

During confirmation hearings of Alberto Gonzales to be attorney general, it was revealed that Addington helped draft the White House memo that concluded that the Geneva Convention against torture did not apply to prisoners captured in the war on terror. The memo declared that terrorism "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."

....

helped out that torture guy Gonzales too (who maybe under indictment also)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1262353&mesg_id=1262353



http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article323785.ece

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 01 November 2005
The Independent


Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the senior White House official charged over the CIA leak affair, is to appear in court this week, as investigators continue their inquiries into the activities of President George Bush's senior political adviser, Karl Rove.

An official said yesterday that Mr Libby would appear in a federal court in Washington on Thursday morning, where he would be formally charged, or arraigned. He faces five charges ­ two of lying to investigators, two of lying to a grand jury and one of obstructing justice ­ in relation to the leaking of the identity of a covert CIA operative, Valerie Plame.

Mr Libby, 55, has made it clear he will plead not guilty. He was replaced yesterday by David Addington, a longtime aide to Vice-President Dick Cheney and his top legal adviser. Mr Addington was among the authors of a White House memo justifying torture of terrorism suspects.

Over the weekend Mr Libby's lawyers said they would argue that, as a busy White House official, he could not be expected to recollect the full details of every conversation he had with reporters. They will deny that he deliberately intended to lie to either investigators or members of the grand jury about what he had told reporters about Ms Plame.


http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/31/cheney-promotes

Cheney Promotes Individuals Named In Indictment

"Both Addington and Hannah are named in the indictment. Hannah was intimately involved in the strategy of leaking Plame’s identity. From the indictment:

13. Shortly after publication of the article in The New Republic, LIBBY spoke by telephone with his then Principal Deputy and discussed the article. That official asked LIBBY whether information about Wilson’s trip could be shared with the press to rebut the allegations that the Vice President had sent Wilson. LIBBY responded that there would be complications at the CIA in disclosing that information publicly, and that he could not discuss the matter on a non-secure telephone line.

Addington provided legal counsel to Libby in helping to divulge Plame’s identity.

18. Also on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with the Counsel to the Vice President in an anteroom outside the Vice President’s Office. During their brief conversation, LIBBY asked the Counsel to the Vice President, in sum and substance, what paperwork there would be at the CIA if an employee’s spouse undertook an overseas trip.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3128addington_memo.html
Addington, a "swell " guy...
Cheney's Lawyer Addington
Penned Key Torture Memo
by Jeffrey Steinberg

David Addington, the General Counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney, was the actual author of one of the now-infamous White House "torture memos" that claimed for President Bush the authority to violate the Geneva Conventions on the Treatment of Prisoners of War, in the so-called "war on terrorism." The immediate result of this Hitlerian document was the scenes of inhuman torture at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, and the as-yet untold tales of similar torture at other secret prison locations in Afghanistan, at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in other countries around the world.



http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-3158

David S. Addington actively participated in the following events:
January 21, 2002 Torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere

White House lawyers visit Guantanamo Bay. On the flight back, Alberto Gonzales agrees with David Addington that all Guantanamo detainees should be designated eligible for trial by military commission under the president's November 13 Military Order (see January 20, 2002).
People and organizations involved: Alberto R. Gonzales, David S. Addington

'Passive' participant in the following events:
Torture, rendition, and other abuses against captives in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere - November 13, 2001 - President Bush issues a 3- ...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5223042
Page 4 - ("Under Secretary of State")International Security Affairs John Bolton or Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Marc Grossman?

Page 4 - ("A senior officer of the CIA") ?

Page 5 ("An aide to the VP") John Hannah - Senior Nation Security Aide or David Wurmser - Middle East Advisor?

Page 5 (CIA briefer") ?

Page 6 ("Libby's then Pincipal Deputy") John Hannah

Page 7 ("WH Press Secretary") Ari Fleicher?

Page 7 ("Counsel to the VP') David Addington?

Page 7 ("Ass't to the VP for Public Affairs") Catherine Martin (she was his press secretary)?

Page 7 ("MSNBC Reporter") Chris Matthews

Page 8 ("Official A") Karl Rove?

Page 8 (Other Officials) Plane trip from Norfolk

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/28/addington-involved-in-leak-scandal/

Scooter Libby’s replacement as chief of staff to the Vice President is reportedly a man named David Addington. He was formerly Cheney’s counsel, a position he held since 2001. According to the indictment, it appears that Addington was involved in the leak:

18. Also on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with the Counsel to the Vice President in an anteroom outside the Vice President’s Office. During their brief conversation, LIBBY asked the Counsel to the Vice President, in sum and substance, what paperwork there would be at the CIA if an employee’s spouse undertook an overseas trip.

Was Addington aware that he was facilitating alleged criminal conduct?

Unitary Executive theory

http://alternet.org/blogs/themix/#27514

Scooter Libby's insta-replacement, David Addington, believes in the Unitary Executive theory. If you guessed that this meant the power of one CEO who decides liberty and justice for all, you wouldn't be far off. It's not too far from King of Everything, really.

Here's a description of how it works by a legal theorist from Michigan Law School:

Several scholars have recently rearticulated the "unitary executive theory" of Article II , arguing that Article II vests the power to execute federal law solely in the President of the United States. Unitarians do not maintain that the President must personally execute all laws; Congress may establish an administrative bureaucracy and identify particular officials to assist the President in carrying out legislatively prescribed tasks. But, unitarians argue, such officials must always remain subject to the President's direction.

According to Raw Story, Bush has made at least 95 decisions since 2001 using this unitary logic, including many of his ill-fated choices relating to torture and the Geneva Conventions. And who was the author of the infamous "torture memo?"

David Addington.

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_S._Addington

Primary Role in Bush Admin's POW Policies

....

Former attorney general William P. Barr suggested to Gonzales's staff early on that those captured on the battlefield go before military tribunals instead of civil courts. But Ashcroft and Michael Chertoff, his deputy for the criminal division, both adamantly opposed the plan, along with military lawyers at the Pentagon. The result was that the process moved slowly."

"Addington was the first to suggest that the issue be taken away from the Prosper group and that a presidential order be drafted authorizing the tribunals that he, Gonzales and Timothy E. Flanigan, then a principal deputy to Gonzales, supported. It was intended for circulation among a much smaller group of like-minded officials. Berenson, Flanigan and Addington helped write the draft, and on Nov. 6, 2001, Gonzales's office secured an opinion from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel that the contemplated military tribunals would be legal."


"The task of summarizing the competing points of view in a draft letter to the president was seized initially by Addington. A memo he wrote and signed with Gonzales's name -- and knowledge -- was circulated to various departments, several sources said. A version of this draft, dated Jan. 25, 2002, was subsequently leaked. It included the eye-catching assertion that a 'new paradigm' of a war on terrorism 'renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners." More...

http://whateveralready.blogspot.com/2005/10/i-have-brand-new-national-journal.html

by Murray Wass
Thursday, October 27, 2005

....

Cheney has tried to increase executive power with a series of bold actions -- some so audacious that even conservatives on the Supreme Court sympathetic to Cheney's view have rejected them as overreaching. The vice president's point man in this is longtime aide David Addington, who serves as Cheney's top lawyer.

Where there has been controversy over the past four years, there has often been Addington. He was a principal author of the White House memo justifying torture of terrorism suspects. He was a prime advocate of arguments supporting the holding of terrorism suspects without access to courts.

Addington also led the fight with Congress and environmentalists over access to information about corporations that advised the White House on energy policy. He was instrumental in the series of fights with the Sept. 11 commission and its requests for information...

....

Even in a White House known for its dedication to conservative philosophy, Addington is known as an ideologue, an adherent of an obscure philosophy called the unitary executive theory that favors an extraordinarily powerful president.

....

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/10/libby_resigns_b.php

Libby Resigns, But Was His Replacement Involved in the Leak?

Posted by Joe Rospars on October 28, 2005 at 04:34 PM


The crack team over at Think Progress has the scoop on Libby's replacement in the White House:

Scooter Libby’s replacement as chief of staff to the Vice President is reportedly a man named David Addington. He was formerly Cheney’s counsel, a position he held since 2001. According to the indictment, it appears that Addington was involved in the leak:

18. Also on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with the Counsel to the Vice President in an anteroom outside the Vice President’s Office. During their brief conversation, LIBBY asked the Counsel to the Vice President, in sum and substance, what paperwork there would be at the CIA if an employee’s spouse undertook an overseas trip.

Was Addington aware that he was facilitating alleged criminal conduct?

You'll remember that Republican leader Tom DeLay handed his leadership post to another ethically-challenged Republican, Roy Blunt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22665-2004Oct10.html

In Cheney's Shadow, Counsel Pushes the Conservative Cause
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, October 11, 2004; Page A21

The vice president's point man in this is longtime aide David Addington, who serves as Cheney's top lawyer....

Where there has been controversy over the past four years, there has often been Addington. He was a principal author of the White House memo justifying torture of terrorism suspects. He was a prime advocate of arguments supporting the holding of terrorism suspects without access to courts.

Addington also led the fight with Congress and environmentalists over access to information about corporations that advised the White House on energy policy. He was instrumental in the series of fights with the Sept. 11 commission and its requests for information. And he was a main backer of the nomination of Pentagon lawyer William J. Haynes II for a seat on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit. Haynes's confirmation has been a source of huge friction on Capitol Hill.

Colleagues say Addington stands out for his devotion to secrecy in an administration noted for its confidentiality. He declined to be interviewed or photographed for this article, and he did not respond to a list of specific points made in the article.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:51 PM
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13. Thanks SLAD. n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:10 PM
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15. From Texas to Abu Ghraib: The Bush Legacy of Prisoner Abuse
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:41 AM
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16. A cross-link to the issue of torture, it has been "decided" that it can't
even be discussed! spanone started a thread on this "unmentionable" topic that repeats what Mr. Cheney said on Meet The Press 9-16-2001 (quoted in my OP), what a bunch of war criminals.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2572133

Who are these people, they have names like General Richardo Sanchez's intelligence chief General Barbara Fast.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:49 AM
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17. FWIW it's been announced that General Sanchez retired Wednesday
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:54 AM
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19. So to keep these crimes "isolated" what decision does the decider make?
"Bush Will Say Anything" by Robert Parry (thanks so much!)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/110306.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 02:51 PM
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20. William J. Haynes II-the BFEE wanted to reward him by making him #2
in the Alberto Gonzales DoJ.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 03:33 PM
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21. Timothy E. Flanigan...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:24 AM
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22. US Congress gives greenlight to human rights violations in the "war on
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:51 PM
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23. kick
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:12 AM
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25. Who would you add to this list?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:21 AM
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26. Schulz, North and the TIA guy whose name I always forget.
Poindexter? We're really talking about the IranContra Cabal and a few intellectual enablers.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:23 PM
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27. Admiral John Poindexter, Lt. Col Oliver North and many others
that disgraced the uniforms they wore because their first loyalty was not to our Constitution and what it stands for.

Fwiw, Rumsfeld's DoD closed another Office recently, the Office of Force Transformation, yet many of the special access programs (that hide these criminal activities) were to be shifted to other units.
http://www.fcw.com/article95834-08-29-06-web
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:25 PM
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28. The shell game. They all love to play as if it's some kind of
video game and not our national - even, global - well being.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:56 PM
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29. Yep, but that fast shuffling has failed too.
To them it was always "a game" that they assumed would permanently be under their control.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 05:16 PM
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30. kick

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