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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:19 PM
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Bush on Limbaugh's Show---Shocking Transcript
Bush was just on the Rush Limbaugh show. He seems to be implying that we will be at war in the Middle East indefinitely, because if we leave, those nations might withhold their oil from us as a blackmail tool. Transcript snippet below, link to full transcript at the bottom, emphasis mine. This has the potential to be HUGE. Bush just admitted that we are at least (partially) at war to protect our oil interests.

THE PRESIDENT: My thoughts are that we face an enemy that will kill innocent people. They murder to achieve their objectives, and they use propaganda in order to do two things. One: proclaim their might, and secondly to discourage us. Obviously the idea of their propaganda being displayed is something that bothers me in the sense that I don't want the American people to become discouraged. One: I want them to understand the stakes in this war; and, two, that we're going to win this war and not to be discouraged about the violence and the propaganda that they see. Obviously, some of the violence is not propaganda, but these tapes that they put out are all aimed at shaking our confidence.

Osama Bin Laden himself has said that it's just a matter of time before the United States loses its will and retreats. Give me a second here, Rush, because I want to share something with you. I am deeply concerned about a country, the United States, leaving the Middle East. I am worried that rival forms of extremists will battle for power, obviously creating incredible damage if they do so; that they will topple modern governments, that they will be in a position to use oil as a tool to blackmail the West. People say, "What do you mean by that?" I say, "If they control oil resources, then say they pull oil off the market in order to run the price up, and they will do so unless we abandon Israel, for example, or unless we abandon allies. You couple that with a country that doesn't like us with a nuclear weapon and people will look back at this moment and say, 'What happened to those people in 2006?' and those are the stakes in this war we face." On the one hand we've got a plan to make sure we protect you from immediate attack, and on the other hand we've got a long-term strategy to deal with these threats, and part of that strategy is to stay on the offense. Part of the strategy is to help young democracies like Lebanon and Iraq be able to survive against the terrorists and the extremists who are trying to crush their hopes, and part of the democracy is for a freedom movement, which will help create the conditions so that the extremists become marginalized and unable to recruit."

Read more: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_110106/content/eib_interview.guest.html
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:21 PM
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1. Two losers and their lies. nt
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:25 PM
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7. Was Jeff Christie "Gannonizing" Bush
(off the webcam, of course)?
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:21 PM
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2. Shameless i tell ya.
Kinda shows it was, and is always about the oil, and not some faux grand vision of peace and democracy.

Sounds like a good chance to use this as a weapon to push harder for alternative fuels.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:21 PM
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3. its not about the oil?
its all they ever cared about. oil is power.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:05 PM
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32. Oil AND Israel
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 02:06 PM by arewenotdemo
Let's not forget that most of the chickenhawk neocons that pushed long and hard for this war are of the Zionist persuasion.

Bush dropped both shoes at once.
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sugapablo Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:38 PM
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45. Zionist persuasion?
Is that the "polite" way of saying things these days?

:puke:
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:19 PM
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54. Why so touchy?
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 03:21 PM by arewenotdemo
Perle, Feith, Wurmser, Abrams, and yes, Wolfowitz are nothing if not Zionists.

Ever hear of "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm"?
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sugapablo Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:24 PM
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57. Holy fucking shit...
Yeah, pick out all the Jewish names and claim "Zionism"!

Too bad most of those who called for war in Iraq were NOT of the "Zionist persuasion". But because five people were (gasp!) Jewish, it's somehow notable?

It's amazing how on a site that's supposedly filled with "progressives", we get so many from the, how do I say this politely?, "biased persuasion".
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:43 PM
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59. Feith and Wurmser are Jewish?
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 03:51 PM by arewenotdemo
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:19 PM
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40. What's OIL got to do, got to do with it...What's OIL but a third world commodity
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:38 PM
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44. Tina, honey? Is that you?...good one! n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:23 PM
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4. It amazes me that anyone would think it's NOT about the oil. n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 08:13 PM
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71. "to make sure that not too much oil would flow and bust the market."
"We were screaming in the streets: no blood for oil, which, of course, you know, most Americans consider a bargain – blood for oil, as long as it’s not their blood, right? But in fact, it wasn’t blood for oil. It was blood for no oil. It was blood to make sure that not too much oil would flow and bust the market. Oil had been down under Bill Clinton to eighteen bucks a barrel. Now it’s over $70 a barrel." -- Greg Palast

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/06/06/int06022.html

Get the CD listening version of Armed Madhouse. It explains why your country was hijacked.
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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:24 PM
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5. ...
Gee, so I guess it was always was about oil huh.

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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:25 PM
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6. What alternative fuel sources is Bush pursuing?
Or does he like being vulnerable to terrorists?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:29 PM
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14. My guess is because it is about OIL and not energy. It is all about Exxon's
and Halliburton's bottom line revenues.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:41 PM
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21. maybe bullshit is a fuel source
nt
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:57 PM
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51. It is...
It's fueling their entire campaign as we speak...
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:20 PM
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41. Really...if we had other fuel sources, they could not do
this to us. Duh.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:34 PM
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43. Israel's nightmare is if the US becomes energy independant from ME
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:47 PM
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49. Good post, jtrockville. If energy independence is so important, why
isn't he doing anything to encourage alternative energy? Well we all know the answer - no deep-pocket cronies have a significant financial interest in alternative energy, and in fact (horrors!) alternative energy source development would work against his, his family's and his friends' interests.

And a warm welcome to DU!

:hippie: :hi:
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:25 PM
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8. So let me get this straight
We are in a war that we started because of his deception and lies, we have lost almost 3000 troops, thousands severely injured, killed over a hundred thousand innocent Iraqi's and now we have to stay because he lied and and it will be worse because he messed up. And we have to be afraid, very afraid of NK now because he messed that up too. I think he's messed up so bad that he should resign. This statement just shows how incompetent he is.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:25 PM
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9. History Alert, Mr Bush: OPEC's been using oil as a weapon since '73. . .
and before then, it's been an issue at play in most Middle East decisions since, oh, about the turn of the last century. . .
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:26 PM
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10. Endless war
Chilling.
Someone sent me this quote, which I think is from Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials --
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:27 PM
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11. There are a LOT of people who don't think it's about the oil.
Those are the people who vote for Bush, those are the people who fall for the GOP wedge issue distractions, and THOSE are the people who need to hear this. Desperately. I hope the MSM picks this up.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:43 PM
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22. They aren't studying hard enough that's why they are in IRAQ-NAM
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:27 PM
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12. "they pull oil off the market in order to run the price up"
Isn't that OPEC? We've got that already. And it is not in their self-interest to destroy the world economy.

Also, aren't our own oil companies doing this when they run up huge inventories while the pump prices are high?
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:29 PM
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13. Yep. But those are OUR billionaire robber barons.
So we're supposed to be *supportive* of them like good patriots.

*vomits*
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:34 PM
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15. "Deeply concerned" about leaving a region with trillions of dollars in OIL reserves....
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 01:38 PM by LaPera
sitting in the ground, as Bush lies & thouhsands of American kids are dying, only to protect the gouging oil companies, stealing the oil from these same "Middle East" countries and it's people...that Bush enjoys killing so much!

Of course Bush & the republicans don't want to leave and they have no plans to leave until every drop of OIL is gone!
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:34 PM
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16. I've been wondering when they were going to
do this. It's kind of sad but I'll bet a substantial number of the Republican base will be perfectly willing to go along with "Kick their ass and take their gas" if they work through the issues far enough to realize that Americans will have to make life style changes to deal with increasing world-wide demand for oil and already decreasing net exports from oil suppliers.

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:39 PM
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19. Life Style changes are much harder to stomach than war...for most
'Murkins.

Yes, our brave men and women are under attack. We must honor them by completing the mission.


What? Give up my Suburban? Are you out of your fucking mind???????
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:34 PM
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17. It is hardly cutting off the oil that frightens BushCo, Inc., per se, rather
the tap being turned wide open!

Though, cutting off the tap for a week or two might make our auto manio and SUV and King Club Cab fetish and 1.5 autos per person come to our collective senses.

We spent billions building a passenger and freight rail system second to none, and now it is in its death throes save for a few barely solvent systems due to the trucking and oil industry lobbies.

Save NYC, Philly, Boston, Chicago and a few scattered areas, public transport is a farce -- European students coming to the US are frankly flabbergasted that they cannot bike to the grocery due to the lack of bike paths and multilane highways cutting across their campuses.

The bus routes seem to be rooted in the 1950s when people shopped downtown and held office jobs there, ignoring the reality of the present urban flight to suburban shopping and office complexes and even manufacturing areas.

We are fat dumb and lazy...because we don't know how to even walk even longer, much less to bike! Maybe a little shock therapy would awaken us up...
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:53 PM
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26. a wide open tap will hurt net oil exporters
far more than it will hurt net oil importers.
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stowaway Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:36 PM
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18. Rush & Bush
Unfortunately, Rush has about 30,000,000 listeners a day - or something like that, doesn't he, to promote this stuff.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:59 PM
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29. He wishes! Not even half that, according to Arbitron, & he's singing to the deluded choir
anyway. No new souls lost to Propaganda Porky, AFAIC.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:01 PM
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30. I seriously doubt that Rush has all that many listeners.
People are growing tired of all this perpetual hate-mongering. Well, the emotionally stable Americans anyway. :shrug:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 08:16 PM
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73. Amazing that when * finally confesses, it's on the Limppaw's show.
We were screaming in the streets: no blood for oil, which, of course, you know, most Americans consider a bargain – blood for oil, as long as it’s not their blood, right? But in fact, it wasn’t blood for oil. It was blood for no oil. It was blood to make sure that not too much oil would flow and bust the market. Oil had been down under Bill Clinton to eighteen bucks a barrel. Now it’s over $70 a barrel. -- Greg Palast

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/06/06/int06022.html

Too bad he couldn't finally show his cards right in his own press room. He had to go slumming on the Limpaw's show.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:39 PM
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20. So it's a choice between oil & Israel? WTH is he blabbering about?
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:55 PM
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27. the decider must be getting his signals
from the pnac cartel confused with the "voices" he keeps hearing from the fundie nut bags.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:44 PM
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23. What allies do we have left to abandon?
I'm just saying, unilateral means, unilateral.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:48 PM
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24. It's always been about the oil........
the RepubliCONS may float other premises for war but it always boils down to natural resources. Christ, this was apparent during the Reagan administration (to anyone that was paying attention, that is). Our country's presence in the middle east has ALWAYS been about oil, it sure isn't about their abundant silica reserves. :eyes:
The American people have to wake up and realize this though. They're easily convinced it's about a host of other issues; whether from guilt about driving their gas guzzling cars or "protecting" Israel, they'd rather believe their sons and daughters are dying for a much more nobler cause than gasoline prices. Americans are so gullible.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:11 PM
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65. religious right KNOWS THAT IT KNOWS we are in Iraq to
save Christianity from Islam AND convert the Muslims.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:49 PM
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25. Bush is the boy we've hired to protect our unsustainable way of life.
Unfortunately, he's allowed some other agendas to be dragged into it as well, like the fundamental religious war thing, and the terra-terra bit. But anyone who drives alone to work or consumes a bunch of crap to fill the emptiness in his life is supporting this fratboy.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:59 PM
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28. Little Lord Pissypants GAVE Osama what he wanted.
Do we have our military base in Saudi Arabia any longer? NO! We just moved on over to Iraq. Isn't that why they attacked us in the first place? It's all about occupation.

About Lebanon...I don't think the Lebonese want Little Lord Pissypants anywhere near their country. Hmmmmm...Israel crushed their hopes, correct? They destroyed their country and all this jackass did was sit back and watch.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:10 PM
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36. tell it, ms. fooj . . .
:hi:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:14 PM
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38. Hiya!
Good to see you out and about...:hi:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:06 PM
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64. Shhhhh, we are all suppose to forget Lebanon happened this summer
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:02 PM
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31. Bush actually managed to spit out coherent (well, kind of) sentences?
"...the extremists who are trying to crush their hopes, and part of the democracy is for a freedom movement, which will help create the conditions so that the extremists become marginalized and unable to recruit."

He isn't able to say such long sentences with multisyllabic words - how edited is this 'transcript'??
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:05 PM
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33. He stuttered and stammered his way through it
and because this was a radio broadcast on a conservative show, Chimpy McFlightsuit probably had a cheat sheet to read from. Don't get your hopes up about his intellect.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:24 PM
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56. It's easier to read your script....
when you're on the radio ya know. I'm sure Rove would be proud....
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 05:02 PM
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68. Hi bobbiejo!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:06 PM
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34. O.I.L.
Operation Iraqi Liberation

(insert Duh! smiley)
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:13 AM
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74. Or...
Occupation of Indefinite Length
Outraging Iraqi Locals
Ongoing Infamous Larceny
Oil Industry Lies
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:08 PM
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35. It's not even about the oil, per se. It's about the OIL MONEY.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:12 PM
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37. I'm almost surprised...
That Dub didn't join OxyRush for a "writhe-a thon" mocking Michael J. Fox--after all, apparently Laura thinks it's OK to criticize him for having Parkinson's.:mad:

I guess we'd need TWO fully-charged cattleprods for that show instead of just one!:eyes:

B-)
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:16 PM
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39. The Iraq War has always been about 2 things:
1. The oil (Bush: "Do not destroy the oil wells") and the original name of the invasion Operation Iraqi Liberation

2. The Neo-Con's dream of creating a free-market economy in Iraq. (Grover Norquist's 101 "orders" for Iraq, one of which was privatizing and selling off, every business sector in Iraq - including the oil fields.

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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:21 PM
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42. Every anti-war candidate has to get audio of this admission
Remember how they called anyone who hinted this might be about neocon oil, not WMD or anything else, was immediately branded a Bush-hating lying commie? Well, he JUST ADMITTED IT WAS ABOUT THE OIL.

This is not going to sit well with most Americans. Even some of the bushbots are going to be furious, since they have been defending him by saying it isn't about the oil, it's about freedom.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:40 PM
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46. It's not about the oil
it's about cheap oil.

There is more oil in Canada than in the entire middle east (National Geographic had a great article on this some time ago). It's just expensive to retrieve. Venezuela also has a vast pool of oil, but much of it is not the "light sweet crude" of the ME.

This war that we are spending $400 Billion on is about cheaper light sweet crude. The kind that the oil companies love.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:41 PM
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47. After all, its "our" oil!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:46 PM
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48. If Reagan, et. al., had stayed on Carter's course of conservation ..
We would not be listening to this bullshit from these MoFos. We would be energy independent, we would drive electric or super-efficient cars, and we could tell the M.E. oil sheiks and their buddies, the BFEE, to pack sand.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:54 PM
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50. I feel dirty after reading that and visiting limpbaughs site.
:puke: :puke:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:04 PM
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52. 'What happened to those people in 2006'...EXACT same quote
Lynne Cheney used on MSNBC this afternoon.
Must've been a memo from KKKarl this morning..
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:13 PM
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53. Same Old Straw Men

No one (at least on the Democratic Party side0 is suggesting we should "leave the Middle East". What is being advocated is that we extract ourselves from being up-to-the-neck in a quagmire of Bush's own making in Iraq. Then clean it up as best we can with the cooperation of other countries there and elsewhere in the world and return to a rational foreign policy.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:20 PM
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55. Tell me ...
has any other president used his show to advertise his notions? There seems to be something very "off" about him going on a radio show to speak his point.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:31 PM
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58. Oh, I'm pissed now
First off, I had to go on Limp-bough's site. Thank GOD I used protection, because I KNOW who Limp-bough been spreading his legs open for.

Irregardless, the simple fact is this: If the area is so critical and so unstable,

why did we destabilize it in the first place?????



  • Iraq was not in any way, shape, or form involved in 9/11
  • There was no Al-Qaeda anywhere in Iraq
  • Saddam had rejected a relationship with Al-Qaeda
  • There was no active WMD program in Iraq
  • There was no dormant WMD program in Iraq
  • There were no WMDs made prior to Operation Desert Storm in Iraq
  • Saddam's Iraq was secular, and a natural check on theocratic Iran
  • US protection of Iraq kept a check on Iranian miiitary ambitions
  • The "Axis of Evil" statement put a sympathetic Iran on the defensive
  • We invaded Iraq when Iran was the nation close to nuclear weapons
  • We didn't Iraq invade with enough troops to secure the peace, formenting civil war
  • We didn't have a post-invasion plan for Iraqi reconstruction
  • We have consistantly acted belligerently with a critial oil-producing nation
  • We isulted their religion frequently and usually without reason


The real question is that why do these people not take responsibility for fucking up? They fucked up big time, yet there is no accountability. They have not admitted they did anything wrong, they will not admit they are doing anything wrong, and they will not admit anything is going wrong. If anything does, it is always the fault of the doubters for having the audacity to doubt.

And there are other gems here as well. The usual "tax cuts stimulated the economy" without the second part, about how the debt incurred in that stimulation will be a drag years down the line. And that doing that meant sacraficing critial social and infrastructure programs. And didn't the Cato Institute note recently that every dollar in tax cuts yields 50 cents in increased tax revenues?

And that the NASDAQ is down 14% since he took office, and the S&P 500 has only grown 4%? And that oil is up 110%?

And he brings of the mythical leaks of the New York Times as well. Like the terrorists were openly using the banking system until the NYT mentioned that the feds were also doing forensic accounting and financial tracking.

Look, the terrorists we are fighting have been operating successfully for YEARS undercover. They know how to keep their money hidden, and operate accordingly. They have been for years because many nations have been looking for them.

I notice that they NYT did not get any thanks for sitting on the illegal NSA wiretapping for over a year, until after the 2004 election!

Well, I have to go to work. I leave it to others to take up the torch for me.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:58 PM
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62. The Busholini Regime Illegally Invaded Iraq for various
reasons. Controlling the flow of oil is one of those reasons. Controlling the water sources is another reason. Controlling the ME and protecting Israel are other reasons. The people behind PNAC have long range plans of changing the regimes of Iran,Syria, even Saudi Arabia. Perhaps the Busholini Regime didn't factor in an Iraqi Insurgency that would be as persistent as they have been. Rumsfailed did say that the Iraq domination would most likely take 10 to 12 years. Once in a while he does reveal the truth.
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:45 PM
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60. George Will said this same thing weeks ago. He wrote in an editorial that if we leave now
the oil would be in the hands of the terrorists. That is the new improved reason for staying the course.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:53 PM
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61. My country and the Office of the Presidency are forever tarnished
a sad sad day
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:01 PM
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63. At this point, is it really?
After 6 years, isn't it just like a hair falling on a turd?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:43 PM
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66. LOL
thanks I needed that
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:52 PM
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67. Absolutely nauseating
And hearing * use the word "accountable" in any form is infuriating in the extreme.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 05:05 PM
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69. * just described himself when he said...
"we face an enemy that will kill innocent people. They murder to achieve their objectives, and they use propaganda in order to do two things. One: proclaim their might, and secondly to discourage"
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 05:07 PM
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70. First O'Reilly admits it on Letterman now * on Rush
C'mon freepers tell me again how I am Un-American because I believe this entire war was nothing but a scam to steal the oil. Seeing as your masters are admitting it now...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 08:16 PM
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72. Told ya rove was sent out to test the "it's the oil" speech.
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 08:17 PM by LynnTheDem
All other "justifications" for bush's illegal invasion have been exposed as total bullshit.

The only thing left is the actual truth.

Americans are dead for OIL.

After no one in the US "media" screamed about rove's remarking last week that we can't have Iraq's oil in the hands of "terrorists" that could "blackmail" us, out comes bush with the same line.

BLOOD FOR OIL. It's the NEW AMERICAN WAY.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:37 AM
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78. Bush should apologize for earlier claim that it was NOT about oil
since he is now admitting it was about OIL the entire time.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:17 AM
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75. So War is better than energy innovation? Right. What an a-hole. n/t
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:21 AM
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76. He called the United States "a" country?? Proof-positive Bush is a
traitor.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:22 AM
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77. endlessfuckingwar.com
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