The one's that say Al Qaeda did it or the one's that say there was US involvement? After all there was that "Pristeen" passport just laying on the street that fell out of Atta's shirt pocket during the impact..:crazy:
139. please it's not as if the South Park writers are all that sharp anyway
They claim it is a good thing to destroy rain forests because there are snakes? Or their whole Saddam still being alive yet Satan boyfriend while he is in hell thing? Or the idea of Cartman as dumbaya kicking OBL's ass like the Roadrunner? Or how about using shit on TV too often summons a dragon?
Sorry, they on occasion are funny but to take them seriously or to expect them to have a coherent message at any level is non-sane.
And it was to ridiculous to begin with. Even more ridiculous is the twist in the plot that got both him and the government off the hook. Given all the ridiculousness, i think that's the point SP was trying to make: when the government is involved, you never know what the truth is.
They will realize that everyone is at fault and no one is really to blame, and they will find a way to make conservatives look like well-meaning and patriotic but bumbling yokels, and will make liberals look like angry, unreasonable jerks who want to be friends with the terrorists.
The writers of South Park are slime, and they are hacks
Of course the only 9/11 CTs they raise will be the stupidest ones. All the legitimate questions about the administrations screw-ups will be ignored in favor of the craziest theories out there.
I love strawmen! Pick the whackiest environmentalist out there or pick the stupidest CT on something and then brilliantly "rip it apart" and thus prove that there are no inadequacies in the official 9/11 story or that all environmentalists are stoopid....
I often don't mind true libertarians. Granted, they insult my side, but they insult the other side just as much. Meaning they're not overly partial to any side. That's why I like people like Matt and Trey, Penn Jillette and Bill Maher. Sure, they're probably despised by many here, but at least they can't be accused of being overly partisan to either conservatives or liberals. And sometimes a little constructive criticism is a good thing.
I don't understand people getting their panties in a wad over South Park. Especially this screeching about "propganda." Well, fine then. By that measure the West Wing or the Daily Show are left-wing propganda. It's ridiculous. Entertainment is allowed to have a political viewpoint without being "propoganda." Any reasonably intelligent person who watches that show will understand that it is satire, and that satirising stereotypes can be quite funny.
For instance, San Francisco disappearing up its own arsehole in a cloud of "smug" during the hybrid car episode. Now I suppose this might be offensive to some progressives, but I lived in San Francisco, and I used to laugh at the myopia of a lot of progressives there, so it was funny to me. Does that make me a bad liberal?
Quite frankly, I get the feeling that a lot of the people around here who get worked up into fits over a fucking cartoon are, in effect, that part of the left that is frequently satirised by South Park. And I suspect that these folks know it, and that's why they're pissed off.
168. That's some tight research you've done there.
Oh, no wait, it isn't. It's a vague desciption of a social tendency and a non-sequitur tagged on to the end. PROVE South Park - a show that's not for children and that's on too late at night for kids to watch - is raising a generation of Freepers. Even presuming the kids ARE watching, is South Park the only cultural influence kids are subjected to? Might there be counterinfluences? Yes? No? You should know these answers, ComerPerro. You did your research, right?
186. I'm still waiting for research, rather than idle spec.
I was in my teens during the Reagan years, when everything in media was all rah rah Ronnie. And yet I'm not a conservative.
This is the same shit I *always* see on DU. If someone in public life ever talks about censoring a TV show, book, video game or porn, it's all "these things don't cause antisocial behavior." But for every bit of cultural produce that projects a view that's illiberal, it's wailing and gnashing of teeth for the youth, and won't somebody think of the future? Well, which is it?
In short, BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY WITH EMPIRICAL DATA.
Of COURSE I know some anti-liberals. And they're surely decrying some fucking cultural thing that made me the misguided crypto-Marxist that I am, and it's probably something I've never even fucking seen or heard. What you seem to be getting at is that eliminating media voices that you disagree with will usher in a joyous era of the New Deal resurrected for eternity. What I'm getting at is that you're a half-step away from talking like a censorious prig. You have not established a direct link from South Park to the existence of anti-liberalism. And I can't wait to see you try, since the aforesaid has existed for WAY longer than the cartoon. You dumb fucking choad.
So fine. I won't promote the show. I never have, really, so that'll be easy. I'll continue to laugh at funny jokes, if that's OK with you.
Oh, wait, hold up a minute - you said WAY more than just "liberals should not promote a show that promotes conservatism" - You said, vehemently and repeatedly, that South Park was creating a generation of anti-liberals. I asked for evidence of this and you kept on arguing that position without providing any.
And I'm still waiting.
How neat the way you almost changed the subject on me! What a clever bunny you are! Dickrot.
The term "South Park Republican" has thus become popular among a handful of pundits to describe young Americans who interpret the show's values as being parallel to their cause. They see themselves as being more libertarian and far less puritanical than many other conservative groups (e.g. the religious right). Trey and Matt say they are extremely grateful for the 15 half-hours of airtime that Comedy Central annually affords them because it gives them a "bullhorn to yell at America." The phrase, "You know? I've learned something today..." is the trademark line, used in nearly every episode, to outline the South Park solution to the current moral crisis. South Park Republicans empathize with the characters' consideration of moral guidelines in their attempts to explain their surroundings and are extremely likely to support the "children's" decisions.
The section you yourself boldfaced merely explains that people agree with South Park's slant. I sought and still seek evidence of YOUR ASSERTION that South Park is CREATING a generation of liberal-haters. This is like the zillionth post where I've plainly and specifically asked for you to provide evidence of your claim (I can't reiterate that enough) that South Park is causing generation-wide liberal-hating, and the zillionth time you've ducked it. I'm done with you, not least of all because I'm getting more than a little sick of your personal attacks. "Conservative apologist?" "Shut up and read?"
I like Penn Jillette and Bill Maher for sure, but Matt and Trey are hacks, even though they can be funny at times. Take Team America for instance, while it was a very funny movie, it was extremely offensive to liberals while it almost gave the Bush administration a free pass. They went gung ho about attacking outspoken celebrities who were against the war (and were later vindicated), but they don't attack the Bush administration directly at all, instead directing their ire towards the World Police who are well meaning but end up screwing things up. With how fucked up things have gotten with this administration at the helm, I thought they would have seen the light, but no luck. Last season they had an episode where they make fun of how smug George Clooney (who was gracious enough to guest voice on their show when first starting out, and provided a voice for their SP movie) and other celebrities are. I find it so ironic that they don't see how smug they themselves have become.
He appeared in that bullshit lie-filled "Michael Moore Hates America" 'documentary' (alongside the likes of, oh, Ann Coulter).
He's an example of the "South Park Republicans" people are legitimately slamming here. Humor shouldn't be accompanied with lies - can't, in fact, as humor is based on truth, and jokes built on lies don't work.
106. They think global warming is a left wing conspiracy.
The SP guys are political retarded. I find a lot of their stuff funny, just n ot the political stuff. They have the opinions of uneducated high school kids when it comes to politics. Very shallow and absolute.
They should stick to fart jokes.
To think they are somehow moderates and not extremely right leaning is way misguided.
First it was annoying how they kept repeating that 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy. Um, by any explanation it was a conspiracy, a group of people plotting what we saw that day. What is up to debate (not in South Park clearly) is WHO conspired. So that made me want to yell at the screen.
There are lots of theories some that hold weight to me others do not but I get why people question the official story because there's a lot there that just defies logic and that has never been explained.
What pissed me off about this episode is that they used that same with us or against us mentality of the * administration. EIther you believe the entire official story or you believe all of the alternative explanations. So by lumping the strongest question with the weakest negated the entire question.
"Just a bunch of pissed off Muslims"? Yah right. That explains why NORAD had no response that day. The US gov't are just a bunch of helpless victims but these alternative theories just make it easier to deal with the helplessness. Very deep and sophisticated thinking. :sarcasm:
Fart jokes and making fun of celebrities is what South Park is good at. Except when I like them. ;-) The Dog Whisperer espisode and of course Trapped in a Closet was pure genius.
175. They are absolute conservatives and they despise liberals.
They don't like the religious right-- so what? They are Republicans. They even said that they are Republicans on-- I believe it was the Season One DVD. Look at Team America: show me one conservative taken to task. They only attack democrats. Penn Jillette and Bill Maher are one thing. I often like what they have to say. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are just absolute stone cold republicans with a libertarian face. They are EXTRAORDINARILY PARTISAN.
They aren't smart enought to constructively criticize their way out of their own asses. They were funny at first, now they're just a fucking laughing stock.
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 05:22 PM by Fighting Irish
Penn Jillette agrees with Bush once in a great while, but comes across as pretty anti-Bush.
His radio show is actually pretty good. Most people here would likely be horrified by it, as he does trash liberals occasionally, and he at times gets pretty tasteless, but I do respect the fact that it doesn't sound like he's putting on an act, unlike most of the RW talk show hosts out there.
115. It's a highly rated TV show and very offensive to a lot of people.
Seems logical some people would be upset. I can't believe you can't believe people would be upset by SP? It seems that is what the goal of the show is mostly, to offend people. You just are not offended because you happen to agree with the premise of the show. Fine, others feel differently. Go on enjoying SP, there is no law against it.
after it looked as though Bush was admitting to doing 9/11, we finally find out that the 9/11 conspiracies are the real government conspiracy.
Moral of the story: Conspiracy nuts are just that. Nuts. The government perpetuates 9/11 conspiracy because they want people to think they are capable of pulling such a conspiracy off.
They ended by saying, essentially, that 9/11 conspiracies are for sheep, anyone who doubts the official story is a retard, and the alert and aware Americans are the ones who know that Bush is telling the truth about 9/11.
The government actually is behind the conspiracy movement so people believe that they are in control of everything, instead of people believing they are completely incompetent and unprepared, which they really are.
Bush and the gov are keeping the conspiracy movement alive, even though 9-11 was causeed by *GASP* a bunch of pissed off muslims.
...is if Matt and Trey are dickface conservatives for pushing the point of view that anyone who doesn't believe the official story of 9/11 is a fool, then what does that make the hundreds of LIBERALS who share the same point of view?
94. Pervading view - even the Dem party (Leahy) is now LIHOP:
"Why did they allow it to happen?"
No point in asking that question unless one thinks they did in fact allow it to happen. Unless anyone wants to argue that something can be allowed to happen on accident - that all the warnings were accidentally ignored...
105. It's not the prevailing view of this site in fact the opposite is true.
Take a poll, I dare you. It's been done before. The admins are however of the opinion that if you think 9-11 is a cover up you are nuts, so while threads are locked and thrown in the 9-11 dungeon people like you are allowed to insult 9-11 CTers at will, thus giving you the very false impression that you are in the majority here.
Hell maybe the admins have run off most of the people who were here when 9-11 happened by now? Who knows. For a long time here poll after poll showed the majority of DUers think 9-11 was a cover up.
We are saying that your ideas are somewhere on the scale between "not supported by evidence" and "completely mental." It is the MIHOPers inability to grasp the critical difference between rubbishing an idea and rubbishing a person that necessitated the creation of "the dungeon" in the first place.
I guess you didn't put together the irony that Team America destroyed Paris in order to save it. I also guess you didn't see the irony in an actor (What is Bush when it boils down to it?) saving the world.
I don't care about their personal politics, anymore than they care about mine. I think its a shame that your narrow-minded hatred of all things conservative means you can't appreciate something clever, entertaining and poignant. As said above, their Terri Schiavo spoof was one of their most profound episodes and summed up the debate perfectly.
Though, clearly you've made up your mind and feel the need to berate anyone who disagrees. How 'conservative' of you. Once again, you can't see the irony.
One, you give them too much credit. The point of the opening scene was, "fuck Paris. Fuck the French. We stopped a terror attack, that's what we do." Mainly, that scene wasn't any kind of statement. It was thrown in because FReepers want to see Paris blow up.
Two, their Schaivo episode was horrible. It was poorly written, and maybe you missed the point where they portrayed Michael Schaivo as Eric Cartman, who was having Kenny (Terri) die so he could get his XBox (money, etc).
Meanwhile, they framed the people who "fought for Kenny" as compassionate, good Christians. Even though it portrayed them as tools of Satan, it still made careful considerations to say that these were good people who simply didn't know they were being used.
Michael Schaivo was greedy, self-interested, and didn't really care about Terri, and the people who fought for Terri, although they weren't working for the noblest of causes, still had good hearts and were just manipulated, despite their good intentions.
Moreover, compare the real possibility of Cartman acting for selfish motivations with the relative absurdity of an entire town being manipulated by the devil. The result is a satiric statement that attacks on the motives of those who want to "save" Teri are ludicrous at best, while attacks on Michael Schaivo are very credible.
Is everything in your life so black and white? You might want to learn about this dramatic device we call subtext. It almost seems like you are willingly missing the point of these shows just to try and prove your point and condemn anyone who doesn't see the shows in the same manner that you do.
"You're either with us or against us". Indeed. :eyes:
108. To think SP is high minded does not speak well of ones intellect.
Does the guy posting the op you are responding to really think SP is going over your head? WTF, incredibly insulting given that SP has the politically maturity of well, 4th graders. To think SP is a pearl of wisdom is sad indeed.
It's funny SP defenders often claim to be "smarter" than the rest of us who "just don't get irony".
As far as "just being a show" it's extremely popular with mostly people who are well, politically immature. It started out fine a long time ago, it was funny when they stuck to what they are good at, toilet humor. I think they jumped the shark when they started taking their own political opinions too seriously. They are clearly RW homophobes and racists, it was just hard to tell when they stayed out of politics. They really seem to think Bush is a swell guy even if he is a stupid. That is the just of pretty much anything they have done on Bush. Overall they have been very positive where W is concerned.
And yes, I understood the movie quite clearly. They say that they attacked both sides in the film, but look at who they really attacked. On the left: They skewered and intensely mocked celebrities for taking an anti-war stance. Denigrating them as stupid, not knowing what they're talking about, completely self-interested with no concern for their fellow man. On the right, all the satire was aimed at Team America themselves, none towards the actual Bush administration who is responsible for the SNAFU, FUBAR, what have you. The joke is that they're trying to fight for freedom, assuming that every nation they invade and destroy should be grateful that they've devastated their land... ha ha. It was a pretty funny movie, but it gave the * admin a complete pass while being extremely harsh towards the anti-war crowd (even portraying Michael Moore as a suicide bomber). That might be considered even handed, for Fox.
Have they ever portrayed a gay character in a positive light? Every single time I've seen gay characters on the show, they've been flaming stereotypes. Last night was no exception, with their portrayal of the "Hardly Boys". Yes, I gave it a chance last night because of the subject material, I wanted to see if maybe - just maybe - they could break out of their recent Dem-bashing mode.
Lets just say, its a new way to describe "being excited" about something :)
As for the sig... its also the mantra that many of us techies used before there were the "internets"... we co-opted it from your state since it spoke directly to the point that information (and the software to manipulate that information) should be free and open.
75. Overlooking is not hard to do in this case....
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 12:48 AM by MazeRat7
Yeah, the motto showed up at a Digital Equipment Corp users group meeting (called Usenix) in the early 80's. I was actually there and have one of the "license" plates that were distributed at that conference modeled after the New Hampshire plates (BTW NH is where the DEC unix engineering group was headquartered). The plates looked like NH vanity plates and said UNIX with the state motto of "Live Free or Die" printed above.
That was 20+ years ago and I'm still using Unix variants because it is the only choice for doing real computing .... *grin.
149. And what was the point of the gerbil episode?
That some things are outside the scope of what should be considered normal behavior. Not being gay, but putting a gerbil up someone's ass in front of 4th graders certainly is. Time and again the kids say they don't care that Mr. Garrison is gay, and they are remarkably tolerant of him bring his boyfriend to class. They don't get upset until the gerbil incident. Granted Mr. Slave is a negative sterotype, but even he gets his moment in the sun when he is the voice of reason in the Paris Hilton episode. The people of South Park are far more tolerant than I imagine the people in real small mountain towns are.
Please cite all of these episodes where there are all of these negative stereotypes, and that they aren't used to point out something negative in the people stereotyping.
112. "How many times has Cartman gotten what he wanted?"
Most times, you don't notice? Cartman is portrayed as an asshole but at the same time he is also portrayed as a genius. In a recent interview Trey and Matt said these days they identify with Cartman the most of all the characters. I can see they are telling the truth from their later work. They really have let the money go to their heads.
He doesn't get to exterminate the Jews and whats more he is shit on by his hero Mel Gibson He doesn't go platinum before Kyle because the Christian recording association doesn't have platinum records Butter's video of him dressed as Britney Spears and kissing a Justin Timberlake cutout is shown to the entire school Family Guy stays on the air He finds out who his father is, but now doesn't know who his mother is He still loses the Civil War Wal-Mart is destroyed He ends up being tricked into giving his kidney to Kyle His Trapper Keeper is destroyed He goes broke on his theme park He loses his prize on Maury Kyle accepts that Cartman was right about crapping out of your mouth and he can no longer enjoy winning etc
The point is the only time he really gets what he wants is when he is working with the other guys on something such as World of Warcraft.
And what they said was originally Trey was supposed to be like Stan and Matt was supposed to be like Kyle, but in the end they realized they were both more like Cartman. And that comes on the DVDs where they play parodies of themselves being pompous asses to all the people that work for them, and not really having much to do with running the show and just spending money and hanging out. Not really a quote to take to the bank.
Or the countless other horrible gay stereo types the promote on their show. What a stupid mistake to award the SP guys for supporting gay issues. The bulk of their work is not supportive of gays at all.
BTW, how old are you? You act like you are pretty young. Grown ups usually don't have little victory celebrations in their posts responding to other peoples opinions. Grown ups let their ideas speak for themselves. By by all means pat yourself on the back for what you perceive to be some sort of victory for yourself.
They are satirising them, and also using them to illustrate ideas. And they make the assumption that their audience is intelligent enough to understand that. I'm absolutely astonished that so many people have difficulty understanding this.
169. There are more than a few "idiots" spamming this
thread. These seem to be the type of folks that consider themselvesnot only the arbitrators of morals but of humor as well. And all that without knowing bullshit about what they are talking about as per your post.
Funny it always seems beyond these types to just say, "It ain't my cup of tea." and fucking move on. Seems pretty judgemental and non progressive to me.
South Park reflects our culture. It's awful...but so is our society in a lot of ways. Maybe that's the hardest thing for people to take. It's not necessary to have a positive reaction toward South Park. It doesn't project a better world or try to change anything. The writers are like naughty boys who leave a maggot-infested dead pigeon on the prissy lady's doorstep and run away. No, it's not correct, but it sure was fun.
It's hard to make a case for SP pushing an agenda. They transcend politics even when they use fragments of political themes. Their mimicry of political soundbites is all too accurate. You can read what you want into it. If anything South Park is anti-agenda, cynical and distanced--people are uncomfortable with that...for good reason, it could be argued. But SP hits the nail on the head in many areas. We are living in extremely repressive times and the degree of equivocation and parsing necessary to survive now is cleverly lampooned in South Park. Their stubborn reversion to the mushy middle ground on everything can be infuriating to those who clearly label themselves liberal or conservative. But the mushy middle ground doesn't look too inviting in SP either. There is nowhere to hide, nowhere to find solace, in South Park.
The 9-11 conspiracy theme is a perfect set-up for illustrating our present state of agonizing uncertainty and our government's constant equivocation about important issues. In the demented world of South Park nobody is a standard for sanity. Likewise in our crazy world of 'reality' where criminals reside in the White House, who really knows? Can anybody explain why NORAD didn't 'scramble' that fateful day of infamy, but scrambled just fine yesterday? These are unanswered questions. And when reasonable questions aren't answered you're going to have conspiracy theories. Given the lack of a proper investigation, what anybody believes is all a matter of perspective. (BTW "9-11truth.org" certainly got a nice plug on the t-shirts in the SP episode... ?!)
I don't defend South Park. I don't diss South Park. I don't have the need to trash it or embrace it. I do find enough uncomfortable "truth" in it to justify it's existence.
of Jeff Koons? This is what SP reminds me of. Koons blows your mind about our cultural standards of beauty and propriety. You can be disgusted by his well-crafted kitschy objects on steroids paraded as "art", but as cultural commentary it's very provocative. It's hard to 'like' Koons sculpture, but that's not the point. You're not really supposed to like it. You're supposed to be fascinated, caught in the mirror thinking OMG--who and what ARE we? Sick humor has always been around to help us cope with the worst contradictions of existence. The only release is to laugh.
that's as good a theory as any...when you have no real serious investigation and a lot of pressure against public disclosure. But it's an unacceptable excuse if true. Surely you would not leave the entire East Coast so vulnerable while conducting routine training exercises. I grew up around military fighter pilots and response teams and I don't think they are that lax or incompetent.
You are asking me to believe that a one-in-a zillion coincidence prevented any jets on the East Coast from responding immediately. All I can say is maybe, because I don't know. I certainly can't say that I buy it as truth either. There are too many questions this government refuses to address.
109. "what anybody believes is all a matter of perspective."
Not according to SP, if you question our dear leader, you are a retard. nice. Sorry SP has become all about T and M's personal axes to grind. It can still be funny but whenever the try to do politics I feel like I am watching something put together by people who really don't understand politics very well.
"if you question our dear leader, you are a retard"
But characters in SP also say there were explosions at the base of the towers. Characters in SP say lots of things, both pro- and anti anything. I don't think any one specific thing that any SP character says should be taken literally as the message that SP is trying to convey.
Take for instance the idea that the government is behind the 9/11 conspiracy movement in order to make themselves look powerful: nobody takes that seriously, it's not supposed to be taken seriously, it's supposed to be blatantly ridiculous.
There's a message somewhere in there, but it's not "if you question our dear leader, you are a retard"
I certainly don't see South Park as pro-Bush. They satirize just about everything in a provocative way. I just take it at face value and not personally. I don't always agree with Jon Stewart's tack either. But again, I don't take it personally. This is comedy on the risky side. It's not about satisfying everybody's idea of what they'd like to see. If you don't put some distance there you'll be pissed off all the time.
I know we hate it when someone bucks our agenda, but Matt and Trey don't give a shit about anyone's agenda. In fact, if something is very popular, you can almost be sure their next episode will trash it. And the funny thing is, they'll find the weak spots. I think they keep us honest. And they make me laugh.
The only redeeming thing about the show was they put 911truth.org in plain sight - on the guy's tshirt and showed website. So perhaps that will lead many to that website. It did suck though that they said the websites are run by the government & government officials. Nobody could look at all that information and believe that though.
and how crazy people can get when they don't have any reliable information. Message is to make up your own mind as best you can --have to know who's behind any website--could be propaganda or an agent of some political enemy. Or it might be "truth." That's all they are saying.
117. No, the moral of the story was "if you think 9-11 is a lie, you are retard
retarded. Just watch the ending wrap up again. The message was clear. It was certainly not sympathetic to the idea that 9-11 might well be a cover up. They went as far as to say, all the theories about 9-1 can be scientifically dis-proven. Mind you they only mentioned the most kooky far fetched and elaborate theories but still the message was clear. Believe the official story or you are a nut.
224. why do you think that is the moral of the story?
It is one of the things that some SP characters have said. Other SP characters have said there were explosions at the base of the tower. Why take what one character says as the moral of the story, and disregard what another character has said?
The message i got from it is that there are mysteries within mysteries within mysteries, especially when the government is involved - in other words: be suspicious, never trust the state.
100. This episode failed at any real satire and was just a political mouthpiece
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 10:04 AM by Hippo_Tron
Had this been a season one episode, the entire thing would've been about someone taking a shit in the urinal. IMO, even manbearpig was a better episode than this one because it at least attempted to be subtle. The Wal-Mart episode was better than this one because it was more subtle. Not that I disagree with Matt and Trey but their political viewpoints came out of Kyle's mouth about 2 minutes into the episode and it was obvious that they were preaching instead of trying to be funny.
145. The politics need to be more subtle and not done so often
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 02:02 PM by Hippo_Tron
Sometimes they can pull a great episode that's mostly political, the Terri Schiavo episode for example was hillarious, especially the part where Satan uses the Republicans to keep Kenny alive. And although I didn't agree with the message I thought that the Giant Douche and Turd Sandwhich episode as well as the Wal Mart episode were at least clever. But again they weren't as good as the older ones where satire wasn't the only goal of the show. This episode, IMO, was just shameless. It was preaching not comedy. I don't understand their urge to preach to people that 9/11 isn't a conspiracy when most people don't believe that it is.
193. I think they are much better sticking to satirizing
social more than strictly political issues. The World of Warcraft episode was much stronger. This had its moments though. They could have gone a better direction in not saying to not look into something for yourself. That is the only part I really objected to. Accepting anything at facevalue from anyone is a recipe for disaster. That is why I liked how 911truth.org handled this and welcomed SP fans to their Web site. They are making the most of free advertising.
And I fully agree with them that at least 25% of the public are retards. If you think about most people on here they are more than fully convinced that about 50% of the public are not only retarded but wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
151. What's funny is that this episode will only serve to pique interest about
9/11 in a lot of people who hadn't questioned it before. The South Park boys would have us believe that no powerful US citizens are competent enough to do something that a few "pissed off Muslims" managed to pull off with ease. Isn't that completely retarded?
Once you get past the enormity of the lie, the prime suspect for 9/11 is obvious. That's why the best way to suppress what really happened on 9/11 is to ignore it entirely and act like it's too ridiculous to even deserve a response.
They said they wanted it. They said they needed it. And then they all twiddled their thumbs as it was happening. Then they told seven different stories about why they did nothing to respond. What more does anyone need to know about it?
It sucked. They suck. How any liberal could like these guys after Man Bear Pig and all is beyond me. I guess if you like seeing serious problems dumbed down and the people trying to solve them made fun of SP is great.
I don't think their is anything funny about global warming or 9-11 for that matter.
The thing with 9/11 is that there are still a lot of unanswered questions about why it happened and was allowed to happen...and the administration has not at all cooperated and has stonewalled all real investigations. The 9/11 commission was a joke and failed to answer anything of REAL substance. Too many have simply swallowed the bullshit and accuse those skeptical of the story of being kooks.
But many of those "seeking the truth" have made claims that border on the ridiculous like planes not crashing into the towers, missiles being fired, explosives being rigged, Pentagon not being hit by a plane, etc. Unfortunately many in this camp also have a self righteous attitude and accuse those of not believing those aspects to believe the "official story".
Sometimes it seems like there are too few that actually try to look at it with the seriousness it deserves.
120. "It's a mystery wrapped inside a riddle wrapped inside an enigma."
The punch-line of this episode, the far-fetched final twist in the story, the solution to this mystery within a mystery - a solution that acquits the government (the government being behind the 9/11 conspiracy movement in order to make themselves look powerful) - is more ridiculous than either the Official Story or any conspiracy theory.
The message seems to be:
Weird shit is going on, nothing is what it seems. Anything can happen, especially when the government is involved.
131. It does not matter what anyone in this thread thinks - whether you
liked it or not, whether you thought it was funny or not, whether you think it was an attack on one political mindset or another, nor does it really matter what the South Park creators think: this episode introduced millions of people to the idea that the official 9/11 story might be false (though they were trying to humiliate the so-called retards, the 25%). They portrayed Bushler&Co as extremely violent while *supposedly* supporting the administration's official conspiracy story, possibly neutering future criticism.
1. Unless the SP creators are themselves idiots who live in a bubble, they know that more than half of America thinks Bushler&Co have lied about the official 9/11 conspiracy story. So why did they use the 25% figure?
2. Bushler blew out the brains of a dissenter (though, that proved to be a ploy in the story), and Cheney was dressed as a hunter who shoots at people. This was a really violent, gross scene which made Bushler&Co appear very sinister, and they were portrayed as liars as well (the SP creators already set up their disclaimer - they are among the so-called 75%).
3. SP creators stack clue upon clue, lie upon lie. They made this episode very silly and almost unfunny, balancing it with even more childish, scatological humour, while pushing a theme that thrives beneath consciousness - they lied to us.
... idiot assholes or geniuses, it does not matter.
147. MESSAGE: Only a retard wouldn't believe everything...
That they're told by the government. 9/11 was done solely by a bunch of, "pissed-off Arabs", with nobody in the U.S. Government complicit.
I especially liked the linking of the more ridiculous theories with the more plausible ones. After all, according to the asshats who write South Park, you either swallow every incredible notion put forth by anyone regarding 9/11 conspiracy, or you believe the official line in its totality.
So, apparently, those of us who have unanswered questions about 9/11 are retards, and Parker and Stone are essentially saying, "You're either with us or against us."
Straightdope <--- Proud to say I'm against them!
Oh, and I will NEVER support South Park EVER again, in any way, shape, or form. Looks like I won't be buyin the SP DVDs from Season 4 - 10. :mad:
Not to mention a coward for hiding behind his guise of "Cecil Adams". He figures that the self-aggrandizement inherent in calling himself the "smartest person in the world" is A-OK as long as you're doing it under a pseudonym. Fuck Ed Zotti!
They use the bombs in the tower and no plane hitting the pentagon theories to discredit all of MIHOP and LIHOP.
Of course "angry Muslims" did it, but the government stepped aside and let them do it. All this bullshit about bombs in the towers and a no plane hitting the pentagon is just that - bullshit, but if you look at the evidence, it's obvious that a few people in key positions turned their head and let it happen. "You'd have to be a retard" not to see that (if you've looked at the evidence).
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