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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 07:54 AM
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October 6, 2006
Guess we will see if we are all paranoid or not...

http://www.freemarketnews.com/Feedback.asp?nid=10192#10192

25. 10/5/2006 - 11:41:12AM
BY: broker
I'm a stock broker from Europe and the funny thing is that i stumbled onto this too when looking at open interest and volumes of puts vs. calls. I was using Bloomberg to make an analysis and the odd thing is that when i looked at the S&P 500 Index put options, to be exact an 1170 october put (which is very much out of the money, it would take a 14% fall of the index for this put to be in the money), i noticed a sudden spike in the open interest over a 5 day period. The normal open interest up until sept. 15 2006 was approximately 20,000. Then starting sept 15 it rose to 182,428 over a 5 day period which is an extreme rise as far as I'm concerned. Also when looking at the volumes, from aug 22 to oct 2 there was barely any trading volume on this put option, except between sept 15 and 19 with volumes anywhere between 50,000 and 100,000 contracts.

Strangely, i noticed the same things for United Airlines and American Airlines. Not so many open contracts as on the S&P, but still a disproportionate amount when compared to the open interest on calls.

Furthermore, when looking at the DAX and AEX indices here in Europe i also found some disturbing things, an unusual amount of open put options on these indices. And when looking at the open interest chart, the open interest on DAX put options rose steadily over the period of one month.

BUT, the most striking thing i found was when looking at AEX index options, to be exact the Put 400 (out of the money, the index is at 486 now). I have a chart with a timeframe of 1 year, so from oct 2005 - oct 2006. The whole year, the open interest has been around 20,000 or lower. Then suddenly around sept 22 2006, there is a spike to 40,488. This is very unusual, looking at the 1 year trend. And also when looking at the volumes, for the past year the volumes have been quite low, less than 4000. Then from sept 22nd, for a few days the volumes spike out between 5000 - 10,000, which is in line with the rising open interest. I also looked at the trade book, which shows the trades with a time stamp, the price traded at and how many contracts trade. There were a few transactions of 1,000 puts and i saw one transaction of 4,608 puts. And they were 'Open Buy' orders and not 'Open Sell'. So, bought instead of written.

This is highly unusual. It could mean nothing, but then again, it could mean everything and that there is something coming up, something huge.

Just my two cents...


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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 08:06 AM
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1. This makes no sense to me because I do not follow the stock
market. I have enough trouble following the ads for sales at my local grocery store. (I also do not have any money left over from my everyday life to invest) What your comment tells me is that I should be very afraid that something is up. Certainly your scholarly work will be reviewed and explained to those of us who do not understand the technical parts. Please, someone tell me what this means?
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 08:08 AM
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2. Would war with Iran have that effect? I'm not to into the stock market.
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 08:10 AM by woodsprite
If so, can we tell what specific industries or companies are being affected? Maybe that would give us a better idea of where to look for the next disaster.
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resist_vote on paper Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 08:54 AM
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3. October 6 is today!
Do you refer to the high amounts of puts around 9/11?

Do you expect any similar strikes today? To get the needed October surprise?

I think something big will happen, maybe not today, but this october, I am pretty sure. And if the bang is on the left, look into the right direction ;-) to see the old men grinning...and winning the elections again.



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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:05 AM
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4. Reading the comments, I would say Oct 06 is Oct 2006 n/t
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resist_vote on paper Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:31 AM
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5. I could have figured out myself
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 09:33 AM by resist_vote on paper
you are right. But the title..?

If you will explain me too, what n/t means, I would thank you again :-)

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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:49 AM
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8. no (additional) text - it means don't bother clicking on me, since there
is nothing outside of the subject line.
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resist_vote on paper Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:37 PM
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12. Thank you! n/t
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 12:43 PM
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13. You're welcome :) n/t
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:50 AM
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9. Well the title is appropriate because the discussion in question (on the
other site) is discussing the sixth of October.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 11:17 AM
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11. From the wee bit I know on options this means Oct 2006...
The expiration date is usually on the third Thursday/Friday of the month.

Caveat: This is based on my knowledge of put options on the Dow. I'm not sure what the deal would be on overseas options, but I'm guessing it's similar.

Also, it is very interesting to hear this as the airline stocks here in the US were heavily shorted right before 9-11...
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:32 AM
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6. Dow's down 55 points currently. nt
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 09:35 AM
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7. Interesting...
A wobbly DOW.

I stopped watching the DOW several years ago when it became a political football.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 10:51 AM
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10. could be October...2006
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 10:55 AM by Buttercup McToots
I have stocks so I am hearing this on alot of boards...even here a couple of weeks ago.
Puts are bets that stocks will fall...
Follow the links and go down to the red ones...that is what people are taking about...
I hope it is nothing, I really do...


http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=SPY
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=DIA
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=QQQQ
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=GDX
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