CIA Says tape IS Bin Laden

[dchill]

So, according to the crack analysts at the CIA, this month's conveniently timed missive is fer sher OBL, hisownself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10924015/

This previously well-timed tape was also analyzed crackly by the Company:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/16/bin.laden.tape/

Here's my beef: How can we know that the CIA is either crack enough, or honest enough that we can have any confidence in them at all? Are they intelligence professionals, or just members of the oldest profession for the Republican Party? In other words, is that really Osama; is it a slam dunk?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060118/pl_nm/security_tenet_dc_5

Or are they just analyzing their cracks?

[FreedomAngel82]

1. And they figured this out in four hours?

[dchill]

3. Just another indication...

that the tape is fake. It reminds me of that list of 19 terrorists that was released on 9/11.

They're so bad at their jobs that it takes them 4 hours to figure out something they already made up.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

7. my thoughts, exactly!`

[Clara T]

2. Ah, the mythic enemy

Al-Qaeda, the Mythic Enemy
     By Richard Labeviere
     Le Figaro

     Monday 24 November 2003

    There's no terrorist attack in the world today that is not automatically attributed to al-Qaeda, an organization considered operational at the transnational, if not at the planetary level, and, in consequence, necessitating a planetary response: the war against terror, dear to American neo-conservatives.  Bad analyses very obviously invite bad responses. This is so true that ever since this global war on terrorism has been launched, it has not really improved either world peace or world security.  On the contrary, the precipitate action supplied by the American-British occupation of Iraq and the calamitous management of the Israeli-Palestinian confrontation only reinforce the Muslim-Arab world's menace and resentment against the new "Crusaders" of a West that decides the standard of good for all civilizations.

    The misunderstanding, or contradiction, goes back to the interpretation of the September 11, 2001 attacks, which some thought it right to analyze as an historic rupture as important as the end of the Cold War: the old world ended, a new one began.To this optical illusion, a correction of perspective must be opposed.  In September 2001, while the aerial attacks were taking place on New York and Washington, fundamentalist-inspired jihadist groups (influenced by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Wahabites) had already been slaughtering people for over a decade in Algeria, Egypt, the Horn of Africa, and South East Asia.  The first attack against the World Trade Center dates to February 1993; sixty-three Western tourists were slaughtered in Luxor in November 1997; August 1998 attacks pulverized the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.  In response to American soldiers' continued stationing in Saudi Arabia in the vicinity of Islam's holy sites, fundamentalist groups attack Western interests and advocate the restoration of a mythic Caliphate and the establishment of a universal ummah1. Revived by an old sectarian and satanic filiation, the Bin Laden movement incarnates the ultimate face of this activism that came to a head in the September 2001 attacks.  Those attacks are all the more indicative of the end of a cycle in that the Taliban regime which sheltered and armed Bin Laden was destroyed in December 2001.

    The Afghanistan campaign opens a second period during which the Bin Laden movement and its Arab Afghans reconstitute and find sanctuary in the Afghani-Pakistani cauldron, especially in the harbor metropolis of Karachi. The fundamentalist groups profit from several welcoming structures there: some 300 madrassahs (Koranic schools) which daily teach hatred of the West to several hundred thousand "students", numerous Islamist parties recruiting for holy war in Kashmir, and the ISI, the Pakistani army secret services, who have protected and trained the Arab Afghans since the Afghanistan War against the Russians (1979-1989). Nearly all the attacks committed since December 2001, notably the assassination of the Journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi (January 2002), the attack against the Djerba synagogue (11 April 2002), then against the French technicians of the Naval Construction Management (DCN) May 8 2002 go back one way or another to the  Karachi epicenter.

    Finally, a third phase sees a new generation of activists emerge. Educated and trained by Arab Afghans, these neo-fundamentalists, who have never set foot in either Afghanistan nor in Pakistan, are recruited from the Islamist movements that incarnate the opposition to the families and the regimes in place in Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Indonesia, and now, Turkey.  For them, Osama Bin Laden has become an icon and al-Qaeda, a symbolic, if not political, reference point.  The authors of the Bali attack (October 2002) were trained by the Indonesian army.  After the East Timor episode when they had not obtained the realization of the economic and political promises the Indonesian generals had dangled in front of them, they turned against their former leaders.  Those responsible for the murderous May 2003 explosions in Morocco, all came from the slums of Casablanca or Tangiers, where over half the population is a victim of illiteracy, and where an exponentially growing and ever less controllable lumpen-proletariat demands a better distribution of tourist revenues.  In Saudi Arabia, the authors of the May 2003 attacks, as well as of those perpetrated two weeks ago against the al-Mohaya residential complex, are, for the most part, sons of Saudi bourgeois families of Yemenite origin, a group that makes the country function and aspires to responsibility. These new activists are careful not to aim at Saudi targets, thus prudently avoiding setting off local or tribal vendettas.
   
http://truthout.org/docs_03/112603C.shtml



International terrorism does not exist, except only as a delusion deliberately crafted by the US to enable itself to randomly attack sovereign states and install puppet governments.
Bin Laden was a CIA asset, and still is used as a "bad guy"-instrument to make the US citizenry to play along.
The conflict "with global terrorism" is about natural resources.


    

[dchill]

12. "International terrorism does not exist, ..."

except only as a delusion deliberately crafted by the US..."

Exactly. Thanks for the link.

[elehhhhna]

33. IT'S TRUE! Thay have his cashed payroll stubs to prove it.

[dchill]

38. GET OUT!!!

(My best Elaine Benes impression.)

[madokie]

4. gottta' love your delivery

These rat bastards are f*cking us up one side and down the other

[dchill]

13. Yes, on second thought...

it's OUR cracks they're anal-yzing.

[madokie]

17. hi-5

[MatrixEscape]

5. Wait ...

Am I supposed to consider the CIA a source for MY information and trust it?

Don't they use all kinds of ops, black/covert, etc. to screw with heads all over the place?

Why would being an American citizen make me certain that I am not being subjected to manipulative coercion?

In modern America, with a President who considers himself above the Constitution, all bets are off about somebody's expectations of blind trust here, me buckos! They don't seem to act as if they really have my best interests at heart. Bummer.

[MatrixEscape]

8. CIA says Bush is Liar, Traitor, Criminal, and threat to the Constitution.

Now there is a CIA that is doing its job and one I can try to trust these days.

[dchill]

15. The question I'm asking...

and I guess I am asking it, is this: Is there anyone around here who really believes the CIA's expert opinion on the authenticity of this tape? If so, how; why? Is it just a "Matter of Faith?" Or do they just know that under Porter Goss, the Agency is now a "crack unit". (The anal and crack analogies just won't stop themselves.)

[dflprincess]

6. Oh well, if the CIA says it's Bin Laden

it must be true :sarcasm:

One of the things that amazed me about this tape is the number of people I know (and in some cases, who they are) who have expressed opinions about how convenient it was.

[adolfo]

9. PSYOPS is possible

Voice morphing technology:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A45085-2000Feb28

If the software is accurate enough I doubt the CIA can reliably authenticate it.

[dchill]

18. This sounds like a technology...

that the fascists can really use!

[adolfo]

31. muahahaha

"Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A45085-2000Feb28

I can think of a few good uses for it. :evilgrin:

[dchill]

36. Mmm-hmm...

I can think of a few uses for it, too - NONE of them good. })

[drfresh]

34. If you rearrange the words in the headline..

"Tape says Bin Laden is CIA"

[Kansas Wyatt]

10. Was the CIA right about WMDs?

Okay, what group or person has better credibility to analyze the authenticity of the tape?

[dchill]

19. What group? I know, I know...

Edison/Mitofsky.

[Horse with no Name]

11. Curious which side of the CIA?

The good side or the bad side.
I bet I could answer that one...

[dchill]

14. Just a guess...

The Porter Goss side.

[MisterP]

16. I thought it was just a recording of him, allegedly

[Nikki Stone 1]

20. This from the Negroponte/Stovepipe/Newly Recentralized CIA?

That organization that just lost its independent analysis ability? That one?

[dchill]

21. Negroponte - just seeing that name...

depresses me. How in hell did our wonderful media let this guy get in again?

[ladjf]

22. So what? OBL is on the payroll anyway.

[leftofthedial]

23. doesn't that depend on what the meaning of the word "is" is?

:shrug:

[dchill]

24. Doesn't everything?

:shrug:
;)

[leftofthedial]

25. it's a conundrum

whether the tape is what it purports to be or not is irrelevant

if the CIA after careful minutes of analysis says "it is bin Laden" then it "is" bin Laden.

Is it not?

[dchill]

26. Depends...

on what the meaning of "is" is...
:shrug:

[Disturbed]

27. Most people said that I was a tinfoiler three years ago...

when I speculated that Osama bin Laden could be a deep cover CIA asset. The bin Laden family have been in business with the Bush Crime Family for years. Osama has aided the Amerikan Neo Fascist agenda more than anyone I can think of.

[leftofthedial]

32. To is or not to is

that is the question

[Toots]

28. They also said WMDs were going to be launched against the US from Iraq.

Their credibility is almost as bad as Bush* and Cabal.

[mwb970]

29. I no longer believe outright anything the government says.

If it's Bush or Cheney or anyone from the WH talking, I know it's the opposite of the truth. If it's someone else, like the CIA, there is just no way to know.

[dchill]

35. If you want the truth...

Either tune in to Mike Malloy or just reverse anything any Republican says.

(I'm way more than halfway to !!SERIES!! on this in a !!HUGH!! way.)

[malaise]

30. Al Jazeera says it is a fake n/t

[flvegan]

37. Mmmm...weather balloons

That's what I think of first when I hear talk of the "intelligence" gained by the CIA. Yes, mobile wmd factories all over Iraq. Oh, wait...that's not what they were...