Please Folks: Turn our eyes and hearts south to Mexico

[Wiley50]

Folks,
Within the next two weeks, our brothers and sisters in Mexico
will stage the revolution
that we should have had the organization
and guts
to do in 2000 and 2004

The people are rising up.
More of them than the government can possibly put down

It's obvious that Bunny Pants
will send our military there to help
North America is a powder keg.

We need to be watching and deliberating a response
The fuse is burning
and we are not isolated from involvement
by the Rio Grande

Please keep informed on the situation
Daily

Here:

www.narconews.com

and here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oaxacastudyactiongroup/?yguid=220993965

Al Giordano's reporters need donations to give them the tools to do their jobs
Please read the link below
and for our own sakes (if for no one else)
Help if you can

Read about it here;

On the Eve of the Crisis in Mexican Democracy, Your Journalists Need Mobility and Equipment to Report What Comes Next
Your Access to the Authentic News, and Their Safety Bringing It to You, Is at Stake

By Al Giordano
Publisher, Narco News

August 24, 2006

http://www.narconews.com/Issue42/article2022.html

Please Folks, Head's up on this issue

The freedom of Mexico
is the
begining of our own
Freedom

[zeemike]

1. Thanks K&R

[Wiley50]

2. Thanks for both!

I was watching this thread sink fast
while people were preoccupied with
child molesters
and
new uniforms for homeland security

My Bad for posting at primetime

Thanks to all for the recommendations

But, Please don't make me
keep kicking my own thread

[QuestionAll...]

3. thanks for posting. k&r.

[cal04]

8. thanks for the post

a lot of us are keeping up on this
Please keep posting
:kick:

[Wiley50]

10. Thank you so much

I know there are many here already watching.
But many more need to

The yahoo group link was sent to me by George Salzman
retired professor and resident of mexico for 7 years
It's great for keeping up with the teachers strike

Narconews is renowned for on the ground info

I've been here two years now
but only post when my heart
really has something to say
That's why this is only
my 784th post

[cal04]

4. Judges Don't Declare Winner in Mexico's Presidential Race

The court announced the number of votes it had annulled as the result of 375 challenges in the July 2nd election, reducing Calderon's 240,000-vote lead by just over 4,000 votes.

The leftist Democratic Revolution Party immediately denounced the Federal Electoral Tribunal's decision, with spokesman Gerardo Fernandez telling hundreds at protest camps in Mexico City's Zocalo plaza: "It's clear the tribunal isn't up to the task. It's preparing to impose the right's candidate."

However, the judges put off announcing a final vote tally as well as their decision on the request by leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador to annul the election entirely. The court's seven judges have until Sept. 6th to declare a president-elect or annul the election.

The court announced the number of votes it had annulled as the result of 375 challenges in the July 2nd election, reducing Calderon's 240,000-vote lead by just over 4,000 votes.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=nation_world&id=4505497

[babsbunny]

5. Thank You!

:bounce:

[katinmn]

6. Thanks, K&N!

[QuestionAll...]

7. CIA's Handbook at work: Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare

The real result was a murdered dissident, Lorenzo San Pablo Cervantes, as well as several journalists who came under direct fire, including José Alberto Cruz, the author of these photographs that show the alleged police forces with which the government combats the popular, teacher-led uprising.

And so, what happened early in the morning of August 22 turned out not to be an isolated incident, but rather part of a government strategy to stop the growth of the Assembly, where more than 400 social and political organizations (including the teachers’ union) have come together to demand that Governor Ulises Ruíz, of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI), resign.

In addition to hired gunmen, troops from the State Ministerial Police, the Federal Preventive Police and the local municipal police are all involved in implementing “Operation Clean-Up.” A Mexican Army deserter by the name of Aristeo López Martínez is, working out of a municipal office, one of the principal participants in this operation inspired by the “Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare” manual, written by the CIA in the 1980s for the Nicaraguan “contras” in their war against the democratic government of that country.

In two meetings with other police officials, López Martínez has invoked this counterinsurgency document, which maintains that the battlefield is “the minds of the population,” both those of the enemy and of “our troops.”

The “manual” is a full of mostly illegal acts of recklessness. Among the recommended tactics the practice selective killings through the hiring of criminals; infiltration of the insurgency for the purposes of sabotage is another.


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pay attention folks, coming to a theatre near you, soon.

[WinkyDink]

28. The real result was a murdered dissident~~~~And this, my friends,

is why WE DID NOT take to the streets. Who doubts that someone would have been murdered by troops?

Why,yes, I WAS in college from 1967-1971.

[Wiley50]

34. " The Tree of Liberty

must be watered with the blood of Tyrants"

Yes people get hurt.

But many are dying slowly now.

The buck stops here

[WinkyDink]

60. I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now.

[Supersedeas]

51. the Corp Cable Media has been awfully quiet about Mexico lately...huh?

[Name removed]

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[Sydnie]

11. Those are all great!

Thanks for sharing them.

[Vidar]

20. Great collection. Thanks for posting.

[mikelgb]

12. some friends I met from the Kucinich Campaign are down there

in Oaxaca... I hear more troubling news from the region daily

[Wiley50]

13. 21 votes ,11 replies, bottom of page

Sorry, but I need to kick this myself

Again.

I don't care to be the greatest

I just want people to get it

Oh. And DO something

[Robbien]

14. Donation sent. I see that VHeadline news is also having funding problems

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=66932
Oscar Heck: This may be the last article I write for VHeadline.com...

All good journalism is going under while BushCo spends millions of taxpayer dollars buying propaganda.

[Wiley50]

15. kick n/t

[lgn19087]

16. K&R but did you type that in some kind of lyric? n/t

[Wiley50]

17. I can't help it. I'm a songwriter.

A BMI songwriter

Life is a lyric

[lgn19087]

18. I see. n/t

n

[CoffeeCat]

36. That's awesome...

Yer living the dream, baby!

:)

[Wiley50]

46. I didn't say I was making any money at it

or that I ever really did for that matter

[CoffeeCat]

53. Hey...you're a songwriter...

...that's living the dream--in and of itself....wouldn't you say?

:)

[femrap]

19. Fight the good fight, Mexico.

I will you my strength and guts....don't give up.

[Vidar]

21. K&R.

[emlev]

22. Thank you! I agree! K&R

[liberalla]

23. take a look at these pics from Mexico City today !

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2001416

Power to the People!

[Peace Patriot]

24. We are all Mexicans today! K&R! n/t

[Porcupine]

25. The meek shall inherit Mexico at least. The US will have to wait

for a latino majority. I envy the latino's willingness to stand up for freedom. If only the rest of us would join them.

[althecat]

26. Al Giordano is the real thing... please do donate....

... at times like this a truthful and free press is VITALLY IMPORTANT.

[Wiley50]

31. Perfect Storm on Horizon in Mexico

You're the real thing too, Alastair.
So are folks like Brad Friedman,
John Byrne and his crew at Raw Story
and a handful of the other "Lefty Press"

I hope you folks are getting together
to prepare for what will happen in Mexico
on or after September 6.

Besides AMLO and the stolen election,
also in play is the Oaxaca Teacher's strike
as well as the Zapatista's "Other" Campaign.

The "Mexi-Cons" aren't gonna give in.

And the people will not back down.

Our Neocons can't let Mexico erupt in revolution
on the southern doorstep.
They are our second largest oil supplier

US troops will be sent in
Special forces are undoubtedly there now.

This is gonna get really ugly really fast folks

Is the US left ready to react to this situation?

[AntiFascist]

49. If Bush interferes further then he is truly fighting democracy....

and we need to expose him further for what he is: an imposter using "democracy" as cover for securing oil interests.

[Wiley50]

50. I don't see them changing their MO now

Scream Democracy and promote Plutocracy

It's the only game they know

Yeah, they'll send troops

and attempt to stop a flood of refugees

and the mexicans already here will hit the streets

[professor_grove]

27. if only

Americans had had the same balls in 2000 and 2004. And if only Gore (who at least fought the best way he could) and Kerry (who only thought of himself and not the country) had had COURAGE to call Bush the THIEF that he is.

[Wiley50]

32. We Better Find some Balls Fast!

This ain't happening in the middle east.

This is here.

We need to start making some real plans
to support the Mexican left

Quick!

[QuestionAll...]

29. kick

[bigbrother05]

30. k&r

[Joanne98]

33. Thankyou Wiley50!

[Horse with no Name]

35. If you will look closely...and I mean closely

you will find that the CIA's fingerprints were all over the Tlatelolco Massacre in Mexico. Whether Bush 41 was involved is debateable..I have read reports supporting and denying this claim.
Have absolutely no doubts that we will have black ops down there to curb this revolution.
>>>snip
In October 2003, the role of the U.S. government in the massacre came to light when the National Security Archive at George Washington University published a series of records from the CIA, the Pentagon, the State Department, the FBI and the White House which were released in response to Freedom of Information Act requests. However these claims do not show direct involvement in massacres of the students. Some suggest that the documents just show that the U.S. was concerned with security during the Olympics.

The documents detail:

* that in response to Mexican government concerns over the security of the Olympic Games the Pentagon sent military radios, weapons, ammunition and riot control training material to Mexico before and during the crisis.

* that the CIA station in Mexico City produced almost daily reports tracking developments within the university community and the Mexican government from July to October. Six days before the confrontation at Tlatelolco, both Echeverría and head of Federal Security (DFS) Fernando Gutiérrez Barrios told the CIA that "the situation will be under complete control very shortly".

* that the Díaz Ordaz government "arranged" to have student leader Sócrates Campos Lemus accuse dissident PRI politicians such as Carlos Madrazo of funding and orchestrating the student movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre

and just for kicks...look at what ELSE the CIA did in 1968:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0420-05.htm

In 1968, Morris says, the CIA encouraged a palace revolt among Baath party elements led by long-time Saddam mentor Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, who would turn over the reins of power to his ambitious protégé in 1979.

"It's a regime that was unquestionably midwived by the United States, and the (CIA's) involvement there was really primary," Morris says.

His version of history is a far cry from current American rhetoric about Iraq — a country that top U.S. officials say has been liberated from decades of tyranny and given the chance for a bright democratic future.

There's no mention of America's own alleged role in giving birth to the regime.

[Judi Lynn]

38. Thanks for posting this info. Americans need to wake up and learn

what has been going on in their names, and their parents' names all these years, usually at the hands of our right-wing pResidents getting vicious with Latin Americans. The more we know, the harder it's going to be for them to do it in the future, if there's any justice at all.

All this information is completely important. We wouldn't be aware of it now, if a lot of documents hadn't been declassified, after a LOT of effort by American patriots to get access.

[cascadiance]

37. September 16th is Mexican Independence Day...

The timeline of the next couple of weeks sounds about right. If nothing gets solved before Independence Day, I'm guessing that that might be the time when things get out of control down there.

[Wiley50]

39. We'll have troops there within two weeks

The Federales can't put down 3 million persons protesting by themselves

Our media sucks

Most people can't see this coming

We need to be arranging our own protests in support

[cascadiance]

40. I thank Cafepress.com for reminding me of this this morning...

They're promoting Mexican pride today for this...

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/mexican%20pride?CMP=EMC_20060829mexico

Maybe buy a t-shirt or two (or even perhaps we should get a t-shirt design of our own for us to support Obrador and his folks down there on this occasion and keyword it with "Mexican Pride" so that others will see it turn up in this promotional search and will partake in helping support them now in their time of need over the next couple of weeks by getting t-shirts and buttons, etc.

There's one Obrador t-shirt on this site. Someone should tell the shopkeeper on this that he should add "Mexican Pride" to his searchable keywords so that he shows up in the promotional search.

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/obrador/-/pv_design_prod/pg_1/p_storeid.65632302/pNo_65632302/id_13435392/opt_/fpt_/c_360/

[roamer65]

41. This will spill over into the Southwestern US

If Mexico erupts into a civil war/rebellion, it will spill over. Look at the other thread on the Mexican-American protest where they pulled down the US flag and put up a Mexican one. These are people searching for a cause and a Mexican revolution just may well be it. :wow:

[Wiley50]

44. It will spill over EVERYWHERE up here

Remember the mass demonstrations this spring
after the house passed their immigration bill

It's definately coming folks.

Be prepared to join in

[roamer65]

54. Count me in

I hope your right. Everywhere would be great!

[northamericancitizen]

42. Kick and recommended. for our southern friends.

[Kurovski]

43. K&R.(nt)

[vickitulsa]

45. My parents retired to the Rio Grande Valley in the late 1960's,

and during my frequent visits there I learned a great deal I never would have known otherwise.

First thing I learned was what it felt like to be a minority! My young husband and I found ourselves waiting in a Diary Queen until every Latino in the place had been served before they would look at us or take our order. SHOCK! My goodness, could minorities living farther north have been experiencing anything like this for a long time? Amazing how one's eyes are opened by even one such experience in life....

Another significant thing I learned from "tourista" visits across the border -- usually to shop for items sold for much less there -- occurred when the driver of the van we'd hired for the day got lost (perhaps on purpose?) and we ended up driving around for a long time in the backstreets of a village we white folk were never meant to see. I learned that POVERTY was a way of life on a massive scale in our neighbor country to the south, and it stunned and horrified me. To this day, I cannot think of Mexico without seeing those images of forlorn shacks and people flashing in my mind....

Suddenly I understood why so many Mexicans were heading north into the U.S. to find work and improve their lot in life -- and it made perfect sense. As my interest grew, I made it my business to learn a lot more about the Mexican government and found (not to my surprise) that it was corrupt to its core. Not unlike my own, but the whole thing seemed to be more blatant, less subtle than here.

As time went by and I'd seen the flood of immigrants northward increase, I wondered at times why the poor who struggled for a decent life didn't revolt inside their own country in the same large numbers they emigrated in, but I knew there were reasons. Now what I'm seeing appears to me to be a matter of oppressed people reaching a tipping point, a boiling point of outrage that leads to action even in the face of great risk to life, limb and wellbeing.

I figured it must surely be just that: action taken at very high risks to the individuals who are brave enough to be seen in public decrying the corruption and theft of their government, all the while it's proclaiming to be democratic. Strange how closely their "democratic elections" seem to mirror our own....

I applaud the courageous Mexicans who are fighting for their own country. I am very poor myself so I cannot contribute financially to support their noble cause, but my heart is certainly with them! I recognize that their fight IS our fight, and the implications for our own nation of the millions of Latino immigrants -- documented or not -- must be profound.

I would think that if only a few thousand DUers have their eyes opened by reading threads such as this one and then those good folks share what they've learned with people they know, the word may spread with great rapidity. Thanks for the OP; I feel a resurgence of HOPE!

[UTUSN]

47. An (as usual) contrarian post here

While a very vocal bloc here roots for the Mexicans to protest vigorously the interpretation of the voting results, based on our own frustration over 2000 and 2004, two things:

1) GORE and KERRY are not the first to have experienced stolen elections here and NOT to have blown up the country in protest. Even Tricky Dick thought that the good-of-the-country would have been jeopardized by his contesting 1960.

2) Unfortunately, in Mexico the protest will likely be so vigorous that Mexican blood will be spilled. That is, the poorest people will suffer most of all---again.

It is too facile for those here who are cheering on the confrontation over there. It smacks of the eternal one-U.S.-life-is-worth-THOUSANDS-of-foreigners.

[Wiley50]

48. So, are you saying that it is better

to continue to live under oppression
rather than taking the chance
of blood being spilled

That's not how this country
(or any free country)
was created.

The mexican people have lived too long
mostly in squalor, at the hands of
a corrupt plutocracy.

As a member of the US poor
I know the situation quite well
and would, if joined by enough others
risk my life to change things

[UTUSN]

52. I said what I said n/t

[ConservativeDemocrat]

55. I don't think it'll be as bad as that...

Obrador will whine for a while longer, stage a few protests, and continue to alienate all but his most hardcore supporters. (This is already happening in Mexico D.F., where people are getting tired of having their already-bad commutes turned into absolute nightmares.)

Eventually, a super-majority of Mexicans will come to the position of the European Union election monitors, who stated that there were no irregularities in the election that could have affected the transparency of the results, and the whole thing will blow over.

Hopefully Calderon will continue to make overtures to disappointed PRDistas, and as a result, have a successful Presidency by following a middle-road.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[UTUSN]

56. Thanks for the words of rationality

Notice how in this thread and others like it that are hoping for martyrs the phrase "the Mexican people" are said to be "demanding" that AMLO push things farther and farther.

The contrast: "the Mexican people" vs. "(AMLO's) most hardcore supporters."

[Master of Disaster]

57. There's more than enough for me to worry about in the US.

Mexicans are going to have to deal with Mexico's problems.

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. I'm sure our current Gov has helped to contribute to the Mexican

peoples' election problems. We need to lend our support where we can. We that believe in Democracy, that is.

[Master of Disaster]

59. On the contrary—it is the Mexican government that has contributed

to America's problems. Besides that, I do not believe in democracy, as it is nothing more than mob rule dressed in a coat and tie. I prefer forms of government that protect me from the tyranny of the majority.

[Wiley50]

61. Welcome tu DU! I don't think Fascism is preferable to Democracy

But I'll give you a break and hope you meant Parliamentarians.

My friend, retired UMASS Physics Prof and Oaxaca resident,

George Salzman

Has an overview piece on the situation in Oaxaca

coming out on Counterpunch possibly today.

I'll post it in a new thread when it's up.

[Master of Disaster]

62. Thanks! Parliamentarians are fine as long as there is not too

much fragmentation.

But I tend to favor republics—like the one we had 150 years or so ago.

[Greyhound]

63. Been pushing this issue for a month.

Just to show what opposition and leadership look like, since ours seem to have forgotten.
:kick: :hi: :patriot: :kick: