In case anyone missed it: Bush pardons meth cook

[Jed Dilligan]

From bigtree's thread earlier:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=70815

Among Bush's recent pardons:

Victoria Diane Frost, Medina, Ohio

Offense: Conspiracy to possess and distribute L-Ephedrine Hydrochloride, 21 U.S.C. Section 846

Date: April 25, 1994; Western District of New York; three years probation, including six months' home confinement; $3,000 fine


Hey, I'm more anti-drug-war than anyone... But pardoning meth cooks is not going to play well in rural America. Besides, I like the meme that Bushco is soft on meth because they only want to prosecute Tommy Chong and medical marijuana patients. So, those who agree with me--remember the name of Victoria Diane Frost of Medina, Ohio.

Would appreciate anyone who knows anything else about her case, which is considerably more recent than most of the other pardons.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. Everyone On That List Served Their Time, Including The Meth Cook.

What's the big deal here? :shrug:

[caligirl]

3. I'd like to see how this develops, remember the last time

a democrat was pummeled for sayin he would pardon someone or did he pardon someone and it was used against him by repugs? Anyway I'd like to see more info on this.

[Jed Dilligan]

5. The big deal:

The whole GOP should be savaged to death for their hypocrisy.

[lonestarnot]

18. Only repiglicans get pardoned?

[pitohui]

2. ephedrine is not meth

just thought you might like to know that

[Jed Dilligan]

4. Meth cooking is the basis of its criminality. nt

[pitohui]

6. ephedrine was a common and legal drug until very recently

it was made illegal because some numbnuts sports figure went out in the hot sun and died and they blamed the ephedrine

if it wasn't used for meth cooking when it was legal, abundant, and the basis for every MLM scheme with the word "herb" in it around then you are going to have to excuse my skepticism

you are thinking of the chemical pseudo ephedrine, most likely

perhaps prosecutors were too and this is the basis for the pardon

this person very well prob. never should have been jailed for anything

[Jed Dilligan]

9. Yep, it was legal in 1994

unless you were using it to cook meth

On edit: I think you're confusing ephedrine and ephedra.

[man4allcats]

10. I wish I had some meth.

It's the old hippie's answer to "Lose weight! Feel great!" Six or eight months down the road you might look and feel like shit, but it's a helluva ride while it lasts. :hippie:

[Jed Dilligan]

11. since you seem to know whereof you speak...

What do you think, can ephedrine be a meth component? Is it likely that someone federally prosecuted for it in '94 was involved in cooking meth?

[man4allcats]

14. Never having been involved in the manufacturing end,

I cannot speak from first hand meth chemist knowledge. I believe however that typical street meth often contains substances that are not actually methamphetamine but that have similar psychoactive properties. Ephedrine is a likely ingredient in such products. Quality product; i.e. true methamphetamine, is surely available from "reliable" sources. It should be noted that one of the many hazards of being a "rip-off" dealer; i.e. one who sells "meth" that isn't really meth or is so cut down as to be considered substandard, is that it's rather easy to get shot. Of course, I'm old now. I've been away from all that stuff for quite awhile. ;-)

[sweetheart]

7. would that his pardons were his worst crime

Then i might care. AS it sounds, he's given a few folks a second chance who were screwed
by the evil drugs war.

[Jed Dilligan]

8. Well, if we want rural districts at all,

the GOP being soft on meth is a good theme to hammer. Even if we don't plan to do anything differently.

[elehhhhna]

12. Oh. Come. ON! He didn't release 100 drug criminals. Just his old dealer.

WHy even RUN for Prez if you can't pardon your own dang dealer? Geez.

[Jed Dilligan]

13. 100 is a statistic, 1 (cf. Willie Horton)

is political gold.

[sweetheart]

21. Supply side drugenomics

The problem there is like saying we'll support suppply side economics
now because people don't understand anything else but trickle-down,
so why shake the cage?

If you want to show them being soft on crime, then make that victem
crime and show how they're behind thousands of rapes in afganistan
and occupied territories *they* are responsible for.

We must root out the bad drugs war ideology root and branch, and
breaking this for "meth" does no truth-service to anyone, and
selling out has not worked to overturn the drugs stupidity in my lifetime,
why will it suddenly work?

Probably, given the reality of drugs, the person taking this meth who
bush has pardoned, was abused as a child, experienced childhood trauma
that ripples in to the adult life as a drugs problem, and like all
addictions, the most suffering person is at ground zero.

I won't jump on the bankwagon to screw someone for suffering... never,
not for any political expediency. Bush is a loathsome critter,
but i wouldna take it out on some poor bloke, no, rather mr. creedy
must go down with his network of thugs, and since they *are* war
incarnate, we've much larger fish to fry and need make this
referendum only about the war, americans are sick of being lied to,
even stupid ones.

[Jed Dilligan]

22. Well, dream on

Glad to see idealism is alive and well on DU.

I want to see this exploited for political points, and I disagree with you about the "poor bloke" in this case. Abused or not, she is probably a rich person with high-up Republican connections who got her a slap-on-the-wrist sentence for a major federal crime, and now this pardon.

Besides, it is true that the GOP has de-prioritized meth to start a new war on marijuana. People who live near meth production, which not only breeds violent crime but does serious environmental damage, will not be thrilled by this when we get the news out to them. The media hasn't so far. One poster-child is all we need.

[elehhhhna]

23. Towns & counties dont' WANT to bust meth labs:

the cleanup costs are astronomical...they're like mini-superfund sites. Bushonomics.

[catnhatnh]

15. Jesus, people-concentrate....

google the people pardoned and pin the tail on the right wing ties....no one was pardoned "free" if you catch my drift.....

[Jed Dilligan]

17. Of course

But the public doesn't want to hear about that.

[C_U_L8R]

16. Soft on Meth ?

Or soft FOR meth

[w4rma]

19. What was the reasoning behind any of these pardons? Did they contribute

to the Republican Party and now they want to make sure they have voting rights in Repug-controlled states which don't let fellons vote?

[Vidar]

20. Gannon was moonlighting?