5 days later, your impressions of the Foiled Terror Plot.

[Philosoraptor]

Feel the same, different, or not sure yet?

I've been reading up and I still have the impression that it stinks, and that bush and blair are playing it for political gain.

I have no special insight, I haven't exactly decided myself, but I'd like to hear your impressions 5 days after the breathless headlines.

[bluerum]

1. Same as it ever was. Trumped up horsesh!t.

[Cleita]

25. What you said!

:thumbsup:

[NoSheep]

41. Ditto.

[htuttle]

2. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,

Signifiying nothing.

[Avalux]

3. Feel the same.

Our media is complicit, and will report whatever they're fed by our government without any investigation of their own. Instead of holding back and trying to find out if the "official line" is accurate (which in most cases it's not), they throw it out there and even sensationalize it. The media is not doing it's job.

So of course, any news story I hear I am skeptical. I never thought the initial report was true, and now 5 days later, indications are that it wasn't. Sure these disaffected men may have wanted to blow up those planes, but I doubt the plot was as far along as we were lead to believe and that there was an urgent need to apprehend them on that day.

Political gain? You betcha.

[Monkeyman]

4. Works for us!

Bush diverting 6 million from our safety

[Protagoras]

5. 5 days later I think it's mostly a load of crap

I am not questioning that there were some pakistanis talking about it...but details seem to be slow coming out and the more I hear the more it sounds like the nutburgers who were supposed to be plotting against Chicago...

I think they talked about using some liquid explosives but probably hadn't come close to pulling it off (that had been in the hopper for a decade and never pulled off).

I am certain that the timing of the arrest and the press releases and speeches were timed specifically for political gain.

In the end I think we have so many people hating us that you can't throw a rock in many places without finding someone willing to talk about hurting us. I think that makes it very easy for our leaders to set up stings and use those stings for their political gain.

I think that the current TSA controls are all about seeing how far the sheeple will allow themselves to be herded...I don't think it does a damn thing to keep us safer.

I think they need to leave our hair gel and our shoes alone and I think our congress members should be investigating all these supposed Plots that later vanish from the headlines.

I also think they should investigate the media for it's over the top jump the shark reporting on each event that seem to be so clearly orchestrated with the govt.

But I know I'm deaming there.

Best article I've read so far http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14531.htm

I just don't accept it when all I am hearing comes from those who we know lie for gain.

[Justice Is Comin]

26. Same as it was in

Miami, Los Angeles, New York, the hammer "gun shots" in the elevator capitol garage--give me that bat so I can stop hitting you with it.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

6. The closer we get to the election

The more likely they are to actually happen.


On Edit: Depends on how the polls go.

[Tulum_Moon]

8. I feel more is on the way!

The sky is falling! Run away! Run away!
:nuke:

[Beelzebud]

7. Chertoff now saying the IVth amendment is outdated. Mission Accomplished.

Chertoff said yesterday that having to get warrants was oudated.

Anyone that knows their constitution, and has a brain, knows what he just declared: They think the IVth amendment should be done away with.

Oh BTW. This "terror plot" was politicaly motivated, and I beleive it as much as the "Miami 7" that were going to blow up Chicago, and the terrorist that was going to dismantle the Brooklyn Bride with jackhammers.

[ananda]

11. This admin is..

.. using this supposed terra plot to get us to go along with erosions in the law
and the Constitution,

.. and to exploit in attacking Dems and creating a climate of fear so Americans
can't think or act against all the horrors this admin is perpetrating behind all
the hyped up sensationalist news.

Sue

[EstimatedProphet]

29. Why, of course they are. This proves it!

Even though the plotters were apprehended by conventional detective work, it clearly shows that conventiopnal detective work can't be relied on!

:sarcasm:

[AndyA]

9. 100% Politically-Driven Bullshit. TERRA! TERRA! TERRA!

They knew long ago that liquids could be used in the manner revealed to make explosives, yet did nothing about it. This action would suggest they aren't all that concerned about the potential devastation such a thing could cause.

Instead, they waited until it was to their political advantage to make the announcement, along with sweeping changes at the airports. The danger was the same the week and month before, yet no actions were taken.

This is all an attempt at manipulation of the public opinion, and has nothing to do with our safety. In fact, it reveals how unsafe the Republicans are making it for us: that they would allow flights to occur with the knowledge that this was being planned, and was possible, shows they are risking our lives for their own needs.

This is irresponsible, unacceptable, negligent, and criminal. We must IMPEACH and get this gang of thugs out of office!

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. You know, I would swear that I remember hearing about 6 months

ago the TSA and DHS RELAXED its stance on liquids in carry-on baggage. A sign of returning normalcy. But if the Brits have been investigating these guys for 10 months, why would we have loosened up? Unless, maybe, it was to allow a later tightening of regulations at a politically advantageous time?

Anyone else remember that?

[Marr]

10. My initial suspicion seems more and more likely.

Like alot of people here, I thought it felt alot like the recent Florida "bust". These alleged terrorists may have had aspirations of carrying out an attack at some future date, but the government orchestrated the timing of the bust and presented it as something it wasn't. They let on like it was some kind of rescue in the nick of time, when it seems more likely that it was a weak arrest based on little evidence. Seems like the WH needed a Joementum distraction, and Britain played along.

[Eugene]

12. After the supposed dirty bomb and chemical bomb plots...

I'd like to see some credible evidence it's for real this time.
If it is for real, the "War on Terror" has not accomplished
very much after nearly five years.

Bush/Blair claims that a 9/11 scale wolf is out there.
They have my attention, but I have my doubts.

[liberalmuse]

13. BS then, BS now...

While it might be that a group of people were planning to blow up planes with liquids, I question the timing of the release of this information. It is not a coincidence that the furor came right after a major Dem victory. I do not believe anything that comes from our government, since they have an extremely poor track record of being truthful, and seem to release information only when they believe it will benefit the administration.

[leftofthedial]

14. propaganda

they could roll back all "security" at airports to pre-9-11 status and it would make no difference to traveler safety at all.

[zero_blue]

16. timed to take some media attention off israel/lebanon conflict?

makes you think why * wanted UK to act now against their wishes.....

so far their definition of terrorist is anyone of ME persuasion that gets together with friends and talks about how they hate the US. has their been any evidence that shows any of these people actually taking steps toward doing anything? also, it seems that most of these groups have a "mole" in them....what if these moles are giving them advice on how to do these things, just so they can bust a "terror cell" and have a good newsday?

[Xenotime]

17. Terror Flop....

Where the hell is Bin Laden? Why are we not focused on him anymore?

[WhiteTara]

18. more certain than ever that this is so FAKE

just like plastic turkey monkey boy.

[dkofos]

19. Recycled BOJINGA plot

I wouldn't doubt if this wasn't another
FBI/CIA setup. Find some pissed off muslims,
show them how they can kill thousands of Infidels,
wait for the right moment and expose the alledged
TERRA-ISTS.

More to come I'm sure.

[C_U_L8R]

20. 6 years later

we are not any safer ...
in fact we are less safe now because
of the republican bungling and mismanagement
of this country and it's safety.

[Midlodemocrat]

21. I'm tired of the fear mongering aspect of it.

Whether or not it was a real plot or not, it takes on a life of its own in the media and it is impossible not to be confronted with it day in and day out.

It wears me out. My husband flies weekly for his job, as do my brothers. Even if I fervently believed it was a hoax, I still worry.

I'm tired of the fear mongering. I'm tired of the BFEE.

[peekaloo]

22. Not mine but a Boo$h supporter made this comment to me on Saturday.

"Why is it that "we" have all these "resources" (phone taps, torture etc.) at "our" disposal yet it's always another country that is capturing all these "bad guys"?

What about those guys in Miami, I asked. "What guys in Miami?" he replied. :rofl:

He seemed somewhat concerned that maybe, just maybe, "we're" being played for fools.

He's quick, I tells ya.

:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Well, I just flew out of LAX.

Having just flown in before the terror "alert."

And except for the liquor store near the gate being closed, everything was exactly the same after the alert as it was before the alert.

So I don't feel any different about this bullshit than I did when I first heard about it. It's bullshit.

[janx]

24. Do you mean that you could take "liquids" and "gels" on

board?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. They, I presume, confiscated liquids at the security checkpoint.

I wasn't carrying any myself.

There were, however, plenty of liquids and gels for sale in the newstands and restaurants at the gates, and the only thing keeping people from taking those liquids and gels on the plane was a small sign reading "please don't take these liquids and gels on the plane."

[janx]

30. Are you SERIOUS?

:rofl:

But this makes no sense. If it's not that important, why would the airlines want to deal with the excess luggage that's checked in?

[EstimatedProphet]

28. My impression hasn't changed

The plot may have been real, or not. I have no idea. I still think that the whole thing was a conspiracy, but the conspiracy was in manipulating the public with fear about something that didn't happen, as I said here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1886276

[Philosoraptor]

40. sort of like all these overblown "suspicious package" alerts

there have been at least 100 of those in the last 5 years, keeps the fear there very economically.

[warrens]

31. I think it was real, but the role of the participants greatly overstated

Sound like these were local yokels, not hardcore terrorists. Some of them had not even received a passport yet, so the "only days away" crap was just bullshit. Ever applied for a passport? It takes a month or so unless you pay for an expedited one, in which case you have to tell them WHY you need it done quickly, usually by providing a plane ticket.

It looks to me like they were planning to do this, but were nowhere near operational.

[SmokingJacket]

32. I always feel like these things are overblown...

but I'm continuously surprised at HOW overblown.

Of course, I'm still waiting and seeing on this one.

[IChing]

33. Steve Biko

"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor
is the mind of the oppressed."


-- Steve Biko



for those that don't know who Steve Biko was:
http://zar.co.za/biko.htm

[Imagevision]

34. 5 days later and Polls show Bush back down to 33%

[Philosoraptor]

38. you can bet that figure is inflated

[partylessinOhio]

35. BS in, BS out! The plot was as phony as the WMDs.

What has happened to all those arrested?
What will happen to all their belongings carried out in bags and such from their homes?
Who will pay for all the costs related to the huge number of cancelled flights?
Who will pay for the many dumpsters full of discarded "liquid and gel" products that passengers were forced to throw away?
Who will apologize to everyone that was inconvenienced by the cancelled flights and the hours and hours of waiting, the repeated searches of bodies and belongings, and the delayed departures and arrivals of thousands of travelers?
Who will calm the fears of the millions who were frightened by this fiasco?

[Protagoras]

36. Where did all the signs appear from?

I'm curious because I noticed what looked like pretty well done signs on the news very shortly after the announcement. Did The TSA have signs ready made? Do they have a giant selection of signs for every possible eventuality? Just curious.

[Jazzgirl]

37. First thing I thought was bu**sh**.

The timing and just the whole feel of it. I also thought this was going to be like the guys in Florida. They wouldn't find anything and hadn't laid anything out. I was wondering when the next round of fear would be dispensed....

[LSK]

39. I felt that it was too convenient to happen after the Lamont win

Looks like this is just a repeat of the Miami plot from a month ago.

I'm also pretty pissed about being called a tinfoiler last Thursday.

[hedgehog]

42. I suspect that something bad was in the works, but I am also

wondering if Bush managed to screw up the investigation by demanding that the British police go public before they had the evidence. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to see a plane blown up because some glory hound was playing secret agent and let the plot run on too long. I guess I'm still watching to see how this all shakes out.

[Philosoraptor]

43. kik

[guinivere]

44. I have no way of knowing for sure whether it was real or not.

I'm sick to death of the too too perfect timing of things. Plot is foiled, crap loads of suspicious packages, cell phones, funky characters -- all in the space of a few days. Then all this dies down, and we aren't any freaking safer. They can find out what books you take out of the library and know what color your undies are but they can't be bothered to look for Osama. wtf!
A big problem with all of this is that they are kind of deadening everyone with all this TERRA TERRRRAA! crap. Crying wolf too many times.

[Loge23]

45. Phony is as phony does

The story is far too convoluted to take seriously.
A rovian fantasy.

[Tsiyu]

46. Tried to take it seriously

but when I saw the clip of folks emptying all that liquid into one big bin, I knew we were being punked.

And when i heard that the US didn't want the British to continue their investigation, I smelled a big, fat skunk.

And when I heard them tie Lamont's win to pro-terrorism, I knew it was all junk.

Kudos to those who knew from the beginning that the story stunk.