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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 12:58 PM
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NSA - Just one of many federal agencies Spying on Americans
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 01:21 PM by shance
Another lie from the Bush/Cheney Administration......

NSA just one of many federal agencies spying on Americans
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Dec 27, 2005, 08:35

Spying on Americans by the super-secret National Security Agency is not only more widespread than President George W. Bush admits but is part of a concentrated, government-wide effort to gather and catalog information on U.S. citizens, sources close to the administration say.

Besides the NSA, the Pentagon, Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Homeland Security and dozens of private contractors are spying on millions of Americans 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

“It’s a total effort to build dossiers on as many Americans as possible,” says a former NSA agent who quit in disgust over use of the agency to spy on Americans. “We’re no longer in the business of tracking our enemies. We’re spying on everyday Americans.”

Schneier says he suspects that the NSA is turning its massive spy satellites inward on the United States and intentionally gathering vast streams of raw data from many more people than disclosed to date — potentially including all e-mails and phone calls within the United States.

But the NSA spying is just the tip of the iceberg.

Although supposedly killed by Congress more than 18 months ago, the Defense Advance Project Research Agency’s Terrorist Information Awareness (TIA) system, formerly called the “Total Information Awareness” program, is alive and well and collecting data in real time on Americans at a computer center located at 3801 Fairfax Drive in Arlington, Virginia.
The system, set up by retired admiral John Poindexter, once convicted of lying to Congress in the Iran-Contra scandal, compiles financial, travel and other data on the day-to-day activities of Americans and then runs that data through a computer model to look for patterns that the agency deems “terrorist-related behavior.”

Poindexter admits the program was quietly moved into the Pentagon’s “black bag” program where it does escapes Congressional oversight.

“TIA builds a profile of every American who travels, has a bank account, uses credit cards and has a credit record,” says security expert Allen Banks. “The profile establishes norms based on the person’s spending and travel habits. Then the system looks for patterns that break from the norms, such of purchases of materials that are considered likely for terrorist activity, travel to specific areas or a change in spending habits.”


http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7904.shtml

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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:05 PM
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1. Jesus. Nominated.


-----------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:18 PM
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2. What neweurope said! Bad link. How reliable do you think this
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 01:19 PM by olafvikingr
is? I have seen lots of folks criticize Capitol Hill Blue.

Olafr
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:21 PM
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3. Lets try this again.....new link*
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:46 PM
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4. I wish people who repeat capitolhillblue's remarks would indicate so
in in the subject line.

I have to read DU between customers and orders, so I don't have extra DU time to download things like this.

There's plenty to damn bushco with that is corroborated by good sources to need to add uncorroborated stuff to the mix.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:01 PM
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5. Who says it's "uncorroborated" Jane?
You?
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 03:20 PM
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7. Yes, me.
Who says it is, you? :)
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 03:47 PM
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8. Yes, me.
;)

I do think the bigger truth is how in the world do we know anything we get is 100% anymore? I would tend to go with those who are taking greater personal risk to get a story out, other than those being paid a prince's salary to spread stories on celebrity gossip, which is much more of what our media is made up of these days.

The so called main stream media is anything but mainstream. The embellishments and lies it promotes on an hourly basis, fill our houses with stories about shark attacks, and kids kidnapped in Aruba and other stories that seem to intentionally ignore the bigger stories, like the war AND the spying, which in the end, affect us all.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:02 PM
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9. Umm, so your argument is that since the MSM is ignoring it,
it must be true?

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:29 PM
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11. There's no argument. There's only the request for you to openly
search for the truth yourself.

:toast:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 03:05 PM
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6. Here's another quote from a Congressional aide on the NSA spying.
“It’s a fucking nightmare,” says a Congressional aide who recently obtained information on the program for his boss but asked not to be identified because he fears retaliation from the Bush administration. “We’re collecting more information on Americans than on real enemies of our country.”

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:23 AM
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16. Pssst...If they really wanted OBL they only needed to put RFIDs in his
dialysis equipment. Ask yourself how many 6 ft tall Arabs are on dialysis in the mountains of Pakistan and Afganistan. The radio frequency locators could easily have pinpointed his location, don't you think ? That is, if they really wanted to locate OBL.

Just asking questions.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 01:46 AM
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17. Ding Ding Ding.....YOU are the winner of the
new Pontiac Grand AM!!!

Isn't that the car they always give away on game shows?

That was too good EV!*** And of course it's so true!

That gave me a good laugh tonight*** thanks.

:)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:31 AM
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18. Yes, by trying for all POSSIBILITIES they spend more than if they tried
for the highest PROBABILITIES. Check out the book Spychips by Katherine Albrecht too !
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:23 PM
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10. Call to Patriotic Duty
December 30, 2005



NSWBC Call to Patriotic Duty

By Sibel Edmonds & William Weaver





Without whistleblowers the public would never know of the many abuses of constitutional rights by the government. Whistleblowers, Truth Tellers, are responsible for the disclosure that President George W. Bush ordered unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens. These constitutional lifeguards take their patriotic oaths to heart and soul: Rather than complying with classification and secrecy orders designed to protect officials engaging in criminal conduct, whistleblowers chose to risk their livelihoods and the wrath of their agencies to get the truth out. But will they be listened to by those who are charged with accountability?



The Whistleblowers Law of Congressional Hearings holds that the higher ranking the official who testifies the less the likelihood that the truth will be revealed. With this in mind, it is impossible to proceed to the viscera of what happened to whom and when without asking those who are charged with putting policy decisions into the actual stream of practice. High officials have perverse incentives to hide what is done in their orders by the employees below them. It is indispensable that Congress reach deep inside the National Security Agency and other agencies, seeking out employees at the operational level to determine how the President’s illegal order was carried into action. To assure that this occurs, we need for people with information from the agencies involved to come forward and ask to be interviewed by Congress. The National Security Whistleblowers Coalition calls on people with knowledge of unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens to contact NSWBC and let us know that they are willing to provide congress with information and testimony. Anonymity, if desired, will be scrupulously honored. NSWBC will provide contact information to Congress and investigative authorities, and will follow up to ensure that these witnesses were in fact interviewed in good faith by congressional staff and committees and allowed to participate in the hearing process. NSWBC will be the conduit between agents and Congress for those like Russ Tice, a former intelligence agent at the National Security Agency, who announced his willingness to disclose to Congress illegal acts by officials at his former employer. At NSWBC we know what we are asking people to do: Our organization is made up exclusively of veteran intelligence and law enforcement officers, agents and analysts.



Now is the time to come forward, not to reveal legitimately classified information, but to make yourselves available as witnesses and to serve the true supervisor of us all: the Constitution. Ordinarily one would expect the congress to be the guardian of our freedom by living up to its storied role as a check and balance to the President and the Executive Branch. But for four years, members of our Congress in supposed oversight committees were aware of illegal spying on American citizens. Co-opted by an unscrupulous commitment to secrecy and the state, intelligence oversight committees in Congress must step out of the way for a People’s hearing on the matter of presidentially ordered illegal surveillance. Congress must engage in a broad, public hearing of these matters.



Accountability, in the end, always comes down to the public’s right to know, the right to have the most basic knowledge about what its servants are doing with its money and its authority. Ambassador Maxwell Taylor, when asked what he thought about the public’s right to know of what the government is doing on its behalf, infamously responded the he did not “believe in that as a general rule.” Fortunately, that is not a general rule that comports with our system of government. Citizens cannot make informed choices if they do not have the facts. Public servants should not be forced to choose between career and conscience, between commitment to oath and commitment to colleagues, and if we live by our words, laws, and principles they will not have to. Protecting all employees of the People are that:





• Their higher loyalty is to the Constitution and the rule of law;



• Information may never be classified as secret merely because it is embarrassing or incriminating, or to cover up criminal and unlawful conduct;



• There is no agreement that public servants may sign that will require them lie to the Congress or courts;



• The United States’ Code of Ethics for Government Service explains carefully and clearly in an assured voice that "Any person in government service should put loyalty to the highest moral principles and to the Country above loyalty to persons, party, or Government department."









Contact: Sibel Edmonds-Director, National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, [email protected]



Sibel Edmonds, NSWBC Founder & President, [email protected]

Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI language specialist, was terminated from the bureau after reporting security breaches, cover-up, and blocking of intelligence with national security implications. Since that time, court proceedings in her whistleblower case have been blocked by the imposition of “State Secret Privilege,” and Congress has been prevented from discussion of her case through retroactive reclassification by the Department of Justice. Edmonds, fluent in Turkish, Farsi and Azerbaijani; holds an MA in Public Policy and International Commerce from George Mason University, and a BA in Criminal Justice and Psychology from George Washington University.





Professor William Weaver, NSWBC Senior Advisor, [email protected]

Bill Weaver served in U.S. Army signals intelligence for eight years in Berlin and Augsburg, Germany, in the late 1970s and 1980s. He holds a law degree and Ph.D. in politics from the University of Virginia. He currently is an associate professor and associate director of faculty for the Institute for Policy and Economic Development and an Associate in the Center for Law and Border Studies at the University of Texas at El Paso. He specializes in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy.



About National Security Whistleblowers Coalition

National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC), founded in August 2004, is an independent and nonpartisan alliance of whistleblowers who have come forward to address our nation’s security weaknesses; to inform authorities of security vulnerabilities in our intelligence agencies, at nuclear power plants and weapon facilities, in airports, and at our nation’s borders and ports; to uncover government waste, fraud, abuse, and in some cases criminal conduct. The NSWBC is dedicated to aiding national security whistleblowers through a variety of methods, including advocacy of governmental and legal reform, educating the public concerning whistleblowing activity, provision of comfort and fellowship to national security whistleblowers suffering retaliation and other harms, and working with other public interest organizations to affect goals defined in the NSWBC mission statement. For more on NSWBC visit www.nswbc.org




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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:34 PM
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12. Thank you so much for posting. The Whistle blowers are truly the heroes
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 06:35 PM by shance
of our time.

They are the ones who place the importance of justice and the truth for everyone above their own comfort and short term/material successes.

God bless them everyone*
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 07:32 PM
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13. And don't forget the spying by the IRS.
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 07:35 PM
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14. If you smoke pot
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 07:42 PM by peanutbrittle
You are a domestic terrorist

Just "the tip of the iceberg"

They even hire private contractors

http://www.spyworld.com/Surveil5_LawEnforcement.htm

http://www.spy-tools-directory.com/

http://www.spylife.com/
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:19 AM
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15. Who do I see about correcting my database ? Customer Service call center
in Banglore, India or Global Information Group, Ltd's operation in the Bahamas ?

And the really scary part is ... I'm not kidding !
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