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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:19 PM
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BBC reports that Iraqi female detainees to be released
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 04:20 PM by TornadoTN
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4624716.stm

I have a few ideas on why this might be happening, including to take the pressure off the White House. Of course, they are saying that it has "nothing to do with the Jill Carroll case", but I am interested in hearing your responses on why you think this is happening.

Plus, let me add, it's a travesty that these people were locked up in the first place on "insufficient evidence". Gives some creedence to the notion that 90% of the detainees are innocent of any wrongdoing.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:21 PM
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1. a demand to release female prisoners - and they do?
Of course there is no quid pro quo.
How dare anyone consider that?

As glad as I am that she will be released, (she seems honest, straight on about the truth, and not beholden to the bushista cultists) you realize that kidnapping and similar demands will just increase.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:24 PM
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3. Of course I realize that
Yes, I think it sets a dangerous precedent in this already volitile Iraqi quagmire. Even though there are plenty of cases where prisoner exchanges are arranged, I think we are dealing with an already determined group that will just use this to their own ends.

But even more alarming than the aforementioned points, is that these women (and all detainees in general) are locked up without a shred of evidence in the first place. Spreading Democracy my ass (Excuse my anger).

Of course, I shouldn't be surprised, since we are doing the same thing to our own citizens.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:37 PM
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6. oh, so true, tornado, oh so true.
It is too bad that the growth of numbers of people who recognize what you observe is slow. But, there is growth. The current print and cable media is a lost cause, except they don't know it. yet.

interesting. the blogs are reporting more, and more accurately, than the MSM. (except about ditzy drunken, coked up teen-age, spoiled blondes missing from tropical islands) Yet, advertisers still stick with MSM. It is as though they are afraid of change, so they stick with the inane devils they know. Even worse, they push the moronic progamming forward, simply by continuing the income stream.

More people realize that the news vehicle is broken in this country, yet there is no organized driving force to fix the problem. Time will fix it, but I am impatient.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:42 PM
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7. Agreed
I know what you mean about impatience. The MSM is no longer objective and impartial, it has been bought and sold by the highest bidder and sold out for a profit.

I often wonder about how great it must have been to have lived in a time when the media actually worked for a living and reported on stories of real impact on society. But all we get now are pre-selected, diced and pureed slop for programming and even worse for news. How there is even a debate that there is a "liberal media" is beyond me, and I am a member of MENSA.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:49 PM
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8. Couldn't help but throw in one more idea about why
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 04:50 PM by GrpCaptMandrake
the MSM continues to enjoy advertising from corporate America. In large part it's b/c corporate America knows it can manipulate the MSM.

Consider this segment from the fine folks at www.canofun.com

http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/2006/VNRMSBNCBayerJan1806.asx

Has corporate America figured out a way to manipulate the blogosphere so thoroughly? Not yet, but that's not to say they're not trying.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:23 PM
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2. Nothing to do with? More like EVERYTHING to do with....
IMO....

The very interesting line in that article: Al-Jazeera did not say where it got the tape. The station itself has called for her release.

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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:32 PM
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4. I guess we're not negotiating with terrorists
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 04:33 PM by reality based
like that (dead) Italian did-- just capitulating to them.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:35 PM
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5. Perhaps even more boggling
I wonder what our allies will feel like once they remember that phrase, "sorry, we don't negotiate with terrorists" when we didn't release prisoners when their citizens were the ones held hostage.
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:50 PM
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9. What if our "side" enabled the kidnapping to give us a way
to free the female detainees and "save face"?
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:54 PM
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10. Then the administration has totally gone whacko
Yes, they have always been insane, but if they truly think that doing this will make it "all better", then they have another thing coming.

It flies in the face of "we do not negotiate with terrorists" (which I happen to agree with), but by doing this it sends the message to all of the terrorist groups and fringe groups that they can get something for merely kidnapping an American. Plus, not to sound crass, but why does this woman have any more significance than any of the others that came before her and sadly lost their life? Honestly, I don't want to see her die or anyone else for that matter, but something is puzzling about this matter and doesn't pass the smell test.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 05:05 PM
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11. The US has no credibility at all...
it gets more insane every day. The release of these women, so obviously shows they should never have been there in the first place. The group that kidnapped Jill Carroll never identified themselves either, which is interesting.
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