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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:29 PM
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Haiku Contest - Everyone Wins
War kills children now
Justifications same old
War criminals all

Grief, anger, sadness
Holocaust survivors heal
Cry together all

Terror is inside
We kill to stop but more grow
Bad leader must go

Another way is here
True time immemorial
Make friend of enemy

Wisdom not war bomb
Hug love cry not kill bleed die
Enough here for all

Psychopath liar
Has big red button to kill
Move him away now

Magical


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:38 PM
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1. Hate
Hate creates more hate.
Violence is surrender;
Peace takes more courage.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:17 PM
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2. .
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 02:17 PM by skids
pedantic I know
but haiku's a deep art not
excuse to not rhyme

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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:49 PM
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3. Explore the rules of the form
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 02:55 PM by Generic Other
Maybe better to say what passes for haiku (counting syllables) does not make for artful haiku.

Haiku usually involves the juxtaposition of two seemingly unlikely concrete images--often seasonal--which have come together to form a unique moment in time that seemingly reveals some new insight. In zen terms, it's the universe revealed in microcosm. It also suggests the immediacy of the image or experience--barely removed from the moment it was captured--like a camera catching the perfect moment.

None of the haiku I have read on this thread really display an understanding of the form. A good haiku is much harder to write than most poetic forms. If I write 100 haiku, 2 of them MAY recreate the feeling I am trying for. I have been trying to master this form my whole life. I once got an honorable mention in a haiku contest in the Atlantic Monthly. I have a healthy respect for this tricky little form.

Two important rules. AVOID abstractions. Look for those moments in life where strange juxtapositions occur that evoke strong emotions.

Example:

Sunset glistens
off the tanks's gun barrel
the call to prayer sounds.

or this:

The man looks up as
the plane's shadow passes
flag-draped coffins within.


Okay, that was just off the top of my head and not that great, but that's what you should be striving for.
Concrete images. Also most western haiku artists are not rigidly set on the 5-7-5 syllable count.




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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:55 PM
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4. I like this resource here:
http://www.ahapoetry.com/haiartjr.htm

...because she's not a soup nazi about it, but gets the point across.

WRT abstractions -- abstractions are fine, as long as they are done through symbolism with concrete objects, and that symbolism isn't weak or contrived :-)

I've only written a few dozen haiku in my life, and I only consider three good. Well, four if you count clever "desk haiku."

Have a crack at my riddle if you have time:

http://abrij.org/~bri/haiku/
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:25 PM
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8. Your haiku experiment is interesting!
I can't for the life of me figure out the riddle with the cast iron though. After the storm comes the calm? The hint was even harder. Some kind of empty or negative space? Maybe the whole series a reference to ying and yang? Dualities of life?

I'm grasping and stretching here... :)
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:11 AM
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15. The hint is mostly meta-haiku...
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 01:27 AM by skids
...that is, a haiku about haiku, specifically some of the techniques one might use to aid in their interpretation. Though it goes specifically to the riddle itself in a few, abeit glancing, ways.

Oh, and as always, consider the confluence of as many interpretations as you can simultaneuously :-)

Guesses by email, though, wouldn't want to ruin it for anyone else.

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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:30 PM
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11. i haven't read too much haiku
but recall the ones most impressive to me were a altered time frame thing. Almost reverse in chronological order. When it's done effectively it really is a Wow kind of feeling I get.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:11 PM
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5. Okay...
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 05:15 PM by Tom Yossarian Joad
The blackened bodies
speaking softly through the tears
Of Haifa in the mourning












on edit...tears or tears(rips)and morning/mourning.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:18 PM
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6. Evocative imagery Tom
You have been making haiku-like posts for sometime now, haven't you?

I think I'd omit "the" in the 3rd line.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:21 PM
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7. Thx... The word "the" seves to project the image of "morning" while
the spelling of mourning is used. Without "the" I would lose the double entendre.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:27 PM
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10. A while... 20 years ago I was accused of creating "Splat Haiku." n/t
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:35 PM
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13. I didn't even think of tear and tear (rip). Nice.
I think the image of tears shed over burnt bodies evokes a sad kind of mourning that suggests tears being used to extinguish the burning bodies as well as the pain. But the tearing (ripping) of the peace of a Haifa morning is also very real.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:25 AM
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18. Pretty good. n/t
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:27 PM
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9. I'll give it a shot, but this is my first ever...
The bombs send their reign
On those who were born not there
and sheep lock their horns
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:25 AM
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17. Not bad...
It works.

For trying you get a little advice: avoid articles, prepositions, pronouns, and to some extent conjunctions, unless they really deliver a punch -- or at least a punchline :-)


Most things the one who
appreciates good haiku
hates are here in this

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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:33 PM
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12. Bush
Bush started his war
Everyone is fighting now
Armmegedon soon

WMDs
Still have not bee found yet and
They never were there

Rush Limbaugh spins war
So does Fox and right wing
Soldiers die for lies

"The Constitution
Is Just a G-d damned piece of
Paper to me" - Bush
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 05:44 PM
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14. Can I spin this variant off your Bush quote?
"The Constitution
is just a piece of paper."
He salutes the flag.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:22 AM
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16. I'll play
Dawn in the desert
Sunrise in an ancient land
There's a Jew - kill him.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:26 AM
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19. mine:
Earth moving into
endless summer while
Hearts harden like ice.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:00 AM
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20. OK, I fabricated a mini-moment...
bowing load plunder
warship's chest uneven keel
wake just wake eyes wake


(I just couldn't work in a seasonal word. Pity.)
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