What were the Israeli casualties due to Hezbollah since 2000?

[muriel_volestrangler]

Any information on injuries v. deaths, civilian or military, in the Shebaa Farms area or in Israel, would also help us to build up a picture of what Hezbollah was doing after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, and before the start of this month. Thanks for any pointers to figures.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Here's a list

Since May 2000 Hezbollah has attacked the IDF at Har Dov 33 times . As a result of those attacks seven Israeli soldiers were killed, three were kidnapped and murdered (their bodies were returned to Israel in the last prisoner exchange) and dozens were wounded. The attacks include launching anti-tank missiles and firing mortar shells and small arms at Israeli outposts, attacks on an Israeli patrols, planting explosive charges in Israeli territory close to the border and kidnapping.

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/2_05/har_dov.htm

[classof56]

2. Thanks, Fredda. Good link. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. Any attacks on Israel itself?

Or just the occupied area?

[Lurking Dem]

5. The Hezbollah attacks

were in Israel proper. The border there was agreed upon by the UN.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. Any link to details of the attacks on Israel?

I just keep finding the Shebaa Farms attacks.

[Lurking Dem]

10. I have a list

but have been afraid to post it since the source is Israeli and I'm tired of being told I'm a Likudnik apartheid supporting warmonger.

http://www.israel.org/NR/exeres/9EE216D7-82EF-4274-B80D-6BBD1803E8A7,frameless.htm?NRMODE=Published

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. Thanks - that's exactly what I was looking for

An Israeli source for Israeli casualties seems acceptable to me.

[sabbat hunter]

6. what occupied territory?

israel pulled out of lebanon in 2000.

sheeba farms is in dispute with israel and syria.

Israel pulled out of lebanon to UN recognized borders in 2000

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. Shebaa Farms is in the Golan Heights

and according to Israel, and the UN, are in the portion of Syria currently occupied by Israel. The area was disputed between Syria and Lebanon, and the 2 countries had agreed in principle for it to be transferred to Lebanon, but they hadn't actually done this beofre Israel took the Golan Heights in 1967.

Everyone agrees Israel is occupying it; Syria and Lebanon think its Syrian occupied territory, which Lebanon and Syria say its Lebanese. Either way, it's not part of Israel itself.

[sabbat hunter]

9. sheeba farms

well there is some land in the jordan valley that was supposed to belong to israel in 1947 but syria captured and held onto until israel recaptured it in 1967, syria claims it is still theirs.

the sheeba farms, as far as the UN is concerned is disputed territory.

The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan reports that the border in this area is vague: "There seems to be no official record of an international boundary agreement between Lebanon and Syria that could easily establish the line". Annan argues that all sides should adopt the line drawn after the 1973 Yom Kippur War for the practical purpose of confirming the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, pending a permanent delineation of the border

furthermore

"despite such verbal pronouncements by Syria that the area does belong to Lebanon, Syria has so far refused to cooperate with the UN's and Lebanon's request to officially delimit and demarcate the border, not just in the Shebaa area but over its entire length. The Syrian government does not recognize the independence of Lebanon, Jordan, or Israel de jure, believing them to be properly part of Greater Syria"

On May 22, 2000, Israel completed its withdrawal from the south of Lebanon in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 425 <1>. The UN certified Israel's pullout <2>. The January 20, 2005 UN Secretary-General's report on Lebanon explicitly stated: "The continually asserted position of the Government of Lebanon that the Blue Line is not valid in the Shab'a farms (sheba farms) area is not compatible with Security Council resolutions. The Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for purposes of confirming Israel’s withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425 (1978). The Government of Lebanon should heed the Council’s repeated calls for the parties to respect the Blue Line in its entirety.


wikipedia.org
only syria and lebanon think the farms belong to lebanon. no one else does.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

4. OK

That's a start. Real numbers for real Hezbollah attacks on military targets. I would suggest, however, that you're using a false vocabulary when you refer to military personnel being "kidnapped." They weren't. They were captured. During hostilities, soldiers are often killed or captured, just as Hezbollah's people have been killed or captured.

Now we need numbers of Hezbollah's innocent Israeli victims within the time frame. That way we can compare it to Israel's innocent victims.

Once we have those numbers, we can apply the fomula to see who is right and who is wrong.

This is the formula, where V=victims.

"V+V=V+V"

You'll notice that the equation doesn't yield "Right" or "Wrong." It merely yields more Victims.

And that's what the Levant is right now: a Victim factory.

The calculus of who is more evil must end. Both sides are engaged in evil. Moral people, when they find themselves engaged in evil, stop doing evil as quickly as possible.

A rationale that justifies incremental evil is still evil. Comparisons between evils still yield evil results.

This is the Science of Israel and Hezbollah.