Hillary IS running..... blech

[medeak]

from arianna huffington: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/hillarys-secret-08-stra_b_24978.html (edited for link)

Hillary's Secret '08 Strategy Revealed (Heaven Help Us)
READ MORE: Hillary Clinton, 2008, Red State, 2006, Washington Post
Hillary Clinton has a strict rule prohibiting her friends and advisors from talking publicly about her running in 2008. Turns out, it might be a good rule.

In today's on-the-one-hand-and-on-the-other front page WaPo story on Hillary, a "close advisor" to Clinton breaks the keep-it-zipped-on-08 decree -- with jaw-dropping results.

Elaborating on how Hillary can overcome voter uncertainty by, as the story puts it, reintroducing her values and biography to a national electorate," the anonymous advisor says: "She will define herself, and we have the money to do it. People have to get to know her, know that she was once a Republican, that she's a big Methodist... That will happen."

[killbotfactory]

1. I look forward to decades of democratic rule

By two powerful and competing political dynasties.

[mourningdove92]

2. Great! I will happily vote for Hillary.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Not me

No way.

[earthside]

41. Not me .. too.

How pathetic for our republic.

A nation of 300 million people and we might have to chose from two families? Clintons or Bushes?

If we end up with Clinton/??? against McCain/Jeb Bush --- then you can bet I'll be voting third party.

[survivor999]

53. Not getting my vote...

[juajen]

22. Same here.

I think she is an exceptional candidate whose time is now.

[rodeodance]

39. and I also (will gladly vote for her).

[LiviaOlivia]

45. Can't we have someone who's not from the Bush/Clinton familias?

I'm fucking sick of this family "accession to the throne" bullshit. It's so corrupt.

[AnOhioan]

3. I refuse to even consider voting for her in the primaries. n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

4. She'll lose big time to Al

If we can convince him to run.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. Oh he's running

He is already ahead of her - he is smart enough to wait to let the cat out of the bag. :)

[calico1]

35. I hope you are right.

:hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. I am 99.9% sure.

[Nay]

55. From your mouth to God's ears. I cried after "Inconvenient Truth"

because he was cheated out of the presidency -- what a prez he would be!

[Vincardog]

5. Why not talk about NOVEMBER?

[timontheleft]

21. Excellent Point . . . nt

[saltpoint]

6. Senator Clinton has every right to entertain plans for a presidential

run in 2008, to raise money, hire staff, and so forth.

[Name removed]

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[Lerkfish]

8. she is unelectable.

if she becomes our candidate, we will not win.
The right and even the centrist right hates her with an irrational burning passion of a thousand suns.
I'm a left liberal and I don't care for her views on Iraq, and other topics.

That means the narrow sliver of people, the DLC mainly, supports her.

we will lose.

[Maccagirl]

12. If she honestly thinks she can "define" herself

she is delusional. The RW infrastructure that has been in power since the '80's is still there and she does not possess the political skill to overcome them no matter what she tries. Quit listening to your friends, Hillary. Maybe the only way to get through to her (however painful) is for her to lose the senate seat. RFK, Jr. would be a worthy senator for the great state of New York.

[Warpy]

9. Yeah, another CONSERVATIVE

When will these damned conservatives realize THEY ARE THE PROBLEM, no matter which party they're in?

To hell with conservatism and the broken down nag it rode in on.

[Lerkfish]

10. amen!

[politicasista]

11. Why can't people just focus on 06?

not the OP, but pundits? There is a war(s) going on. People are dying every minute and Arianna is worried about Hillary and 08. :grr:

[sweetheart]

32. Its sooo '08

I hear ya, blinkered to the bull, but birds love a chat, and such are the chattering classes.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. ONCE a Republican???

LOLOLOLOL

Yeah, sure, Hillary

:rofl:

[SPKrazy]

17. She Was A Goldwater Girl

her family (father)was a Republican.

Don't know if she ever voted Republican

I guess I was a Republican when I was 11 YEARS OLD too, since I somehow supported Richard Nixon, have no idea why. I don't think my parents did. I know that I had no idea of he stood for.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. She still acts like one, IMO

Or I guess you could compare her to a Vietnam era Democrat.

She is hardly progressive, that's for sure.

[SPKrazy]

19. I Would Dispute That

she was first lady of the state I live in for a long time.

I think she's moving to the right to be able to win over moderates who outnumber those on the far left or far right.

I don't agree with her on a lot of things.

But I wouldn't say she isn't progressive.

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. You are right - she is moving to the right

from the center. That makes her NOT a progressive.

[SPKrazy]

43. Nah, She Has Been Well Left Of Center

for years

she's moved more to the center since her tenure in the Senate, mostly rebuilding herself for the 08 run.

The Hillary Rodham that was Bill the Governor's wife was very progressive in her ideas and politics.

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. Yes she WAS progressive

But sponsoring censorship legislation and supporting the Iraq war are certainly not progressive positions. And what she does now COUNTS, unlike what she tried to do when she was merely married to a politician, and not in office herself.

[reichstag911]

30. No surprise there.

I'm about a half mile from Park Ridge, IL, where Hillary grew up, and there's a lot of money there. No surprise that they were Repubs.

Also, Richard Nixon?!? :wtf: I was 9 in '72, and I passed out campaign stuff for McGovern. I think my reasons were: 1) Nixon gave me the willies somethin' fierce, and 2) we had a Dem ward office right near my grade school.

[SPKrazy]

44. Hey, Like I Said I Have No Idea Why

maybe it had to do with a guy in my class that I couldn't stand who was for McGovern and I just ended up taking Nixon to mess with him?

[reichstag911]

50. On such bases are our political...

...loyalties founded. The sad part is that that level of thinking -- that of an 11-year-old -- is probably about the same level most Bush voters are on.

[SPKrazy]

16. "A Big Methodist"

in what way is she "big"?

isn't one Methodist as "big" as another, (unless you are talking about physical size)

[The Count]

20. I for one doubt it - WaPo is not that credible. For now, I help Tassini in

the Senate primary. I'll worry about 2008 afterwards - but this article sounds too much like that gossip about the Clintons life they started (NYT/WaPO) until we STFU-ed them up with the Globe story on the Bushes.

[Cocoa]

24. Hillary's ok with me

:bounce:

[elfin]

25. Double blech here

Even if she DOES manage to get the nomination and win (ultra long shot), the divisiveness we experience now will be NOTHING compared to what will happen there.

I am sick and tired of it and wish her all the best as a great senator. We need senators of longevity and the wisdom that comes when Presidential ambitions are waved good-bye.

[Swamp Rat]

26. Too greasy ... she'll clog the arteries of democracy even more.

[davidwparker]

27. Gore/Clark 2008!

The dems will truly be mad if she is the nominee.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. I'll be voting anti-war in '06 and '08.

Which eliminates all Republicans and some Democrats.

[Ringo84]

29. Re:

I don't know what I think about hillary running. I'm not sure I really have a strong opinion of her either way, though I think that the RWers who constantly attack her need to see a good psychiatrist.

Having said all that, I agree with those who said that Hillary may not be the best candidate that our party has to offer. Barack Obama and others like him would SMOKE any GOP candidate that tried to belittle him about values or national security. Wesley Clark is another very strong candidate who would probably be better than Hillary.

Just my opinion.
Ringo

[mitchum]

31. So am I...away from DLClinton

[Neshanic]

33. That convinced me. She's a BIG Methodist. She's my hero!

[undeterred]

34. Feingold. Feingold. Feingold.

Feingold. Feingold. Feingold.

[Mythsaje]

37. My message to Hillary is and will always be

"while you wasted time worrying about Grand Theft Auto, we were worried about Grand Theft America."

That tells me she's on nowhere near the same page as the rest of us.

I just hope someone with some integrity can get the nomination.

[stop the bleeding]

38. I think it is odd that an announcement such as this

has not garnered one vote for the greatest page. I will not be voting for Hillary as well, too early to tell who I will support. I know DU is a bit more extreme in regards to Dem/Liberal views, but if DU is any type of barometer then H. Clinton is toast.

[DistressedAmerican]

40. She's Still A Republican.

She realy thinks that's a selling point. What a sold out waste of oxygen.

If she gets the nomination, it is 4 maybe 8 more years of this. She will get spanked.

[Berserker]

42. I would not even think

of voting for someone who backs this war. NEVER

[liberalpress]

46. THIS THREAD PROVES IT

A hillary candidacy would shatter the Democratic Party, giving a weakened Republican Party the House, Senate and WhiteHoouse as long as they want it.

[TwilightZone]

49. DU isn't representative of society - or Dems - as a whole.

If it were, Wes Clark would probably be president.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

47. i've read the article but I'm missing something. Is this where he

confirmed it?

"She will define herself, and we will have the money to do it," said one close adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because Clinton has forbidden those close to her to speculate publicly about 2008. "People have to get to know her, know that she was once a Republican, that she's a big Methodist. . . . That will happen."

I believe she's putting out feelers but that's about it. BTW, if she plays to the middle she's going to get killed.

[Generic Other]

51. She was ONCE a Republican??? WTF?

That's how she plans to woo me over???

[opihimoimoi]

52. Her message? She came to realize the Conservative Mo(ve)ment is bad for

America??

Tell ya what tho...she would do a much better job than any of them PUBs.

[earth mom]

54. Once a republican?! She's STILL a republican!!!

Gawd, I HATE LIARS AND FRAUDS LIKE HER!!!

:grr: