Get this straight - Bush is not a president, quit calling him ............

[Minnesota Libra]

.....:grr:because the WH squatter is nothing but a dictator.:grr:

Idiot Boy never was my President and never will be. It's about time we start calling :patriot:Al Gore President:patriot: Al Gore:patriot: or at the very least not use the term President at all.

I positively hate Idiot Boy's:freak: name and the word President all in one sentence, it's an oxymoron.

Idiot Boy is nothing but "SC Appointed Dictator Bush". Yes it's a mouth full but believe that piece of crap IS NOT A PRESIDENT. PLEASE people quit using the two words together. :rant:

edited to remove some smilies

[madokie]

1. if and when I put the two words in the same sentence I have

to go wash myself immediately. Its like my body breaks out in a heroin sweat. Did I mention it gives me the heebeegeebee's too, damn son

[Auggie]

5. More like an empty suit...

The real dictators are behind the scenes.

[Minnesota Libra]

7. OK I can concede that point because you're right.......

....Addington, Cheney, Rove and others are the real dictators.

[newyawker99]

24. Hi Winebrat!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Vidar]

2. "Great Pretender" has a nice ring to it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. Even nicer without "Great"

[Vidar]

21. "Great" referring to the distance between the reality & the illusion

which is indeed "great".

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. Good point. Agreed.

[IDemo]

3. I use "Prezisn't"

[pretzel4gore]

4. we're so hard on the youngster!

bush is only guilty like a toddler who ate the whole cake, or tried to, and ended up needing a good bath....us liberal dems are so darn harsh criticising bush just for being a small boy at the controls of a make believe aero plane. foxnews etc are nurturing; why can't we be?

[Minnesota Libra]

6. I'm supposed to be "nurturing"?? Ok, I guess I can deal with.............

....that but I'll definitely need some help. Where are officials keeping Hinkley these days?? With Hinkley's help I can be VERY NURTURING.:bounce:

[jobycom]

8. Well, he is, but I hate calling him that, too.

From a legal standpoint, even though he wasn't elected and was appointed by a political decision that should have led to the impeachment of five SCOTUS justices, he was legally made president. Sadly, elections don't decide the presidency, according to the Constitution. States are allowed to choose the Electoral College representatives any way the wish. Currently, all states use elections as their first line of choice (they could legally change that), but they have various backup methods in case of disputed elections. So winning an election isn't what makes one president, in any legal way.

A person becomes president when their selection is ratified by Congress, after the Electoral College chooses them. There was fraud in how the EC was chosen, obviously, but Congress ratified the decision nonetheless. And that ratification is technically what chooses the president--not the EC, not elections, not SCOTUS decisions.

I think that should be changed. I'd like to see Dems champion an amendment requiring the president to be chosen by election (I can live with the Electoral College system as long as the Electors are required to be chosen by popular vote). That would make the Bush v Gore SCOTUS decision harder the next time, since part of that decision was that the Florida Electors could be chosen by whatever means Florida deemed necessary, rather than requiring a full vote count. So far, only Jesse Jackson, JR has really championed such an amendment, and it has no momentum. I'd like to see Kerry or Edwards or Clinton get behind it. It would be hard to argue against it. I think most people assume it's in the Constitution already.

So Bush is legally president, because one does not have to be elected to be president. But I still have trouble using those words together. Usually when I refer to Bush being president, I use the term president with scorn. "New Orleans could recover if the damn president would follow through on his promises," for instance. I use it in a way that highlights that Bush is not doing his job as president.

[Sherman A1]

9. Agreed

I don't like it any more than anyone else, I consider * to be the worst President in our history, however I don't recallseeing anyone else taking the oath of office.

[Minnesota Libra]

11. Please see post............

.....# 10 :cry:

[Minnesota Libra]

10. I can't believe what I'm reading here, after everything this..............

....country has been through these past six years and anyone would still honor this idiot with the term "president"?? :wow:

[jobycom]

15. What?

You saying we should overthrow the Constitution and the rule of law just because this guy is an atrocity? He legally holds the office of president. To claim he's not the president is to invalidate the law. It's not a medal of honor, it's his legal job description.

Best way to settle it is to impeach him, so he isn't president anymore. :)

[Minnesota Libra]

19. I would suggest that massing the majority of power with.........

....the WH is in itself an overthrow the Constitution. Do we even have an operating Constitution any more??

[jobycom]

22. You can suggest that, but until some legal process has ruled such

and removed him for it, he's still legally the holder of the office.

[Minnesota Libra]

23. Office holder maybe - President NO, if we keep..........

.....trying maybe we can come up with a term we can agree on but it certainly won't be President.

edited for clarity

[jobycom]

29. The office is the presidency. Denial wins us nothing

and sounds petty and dumb. It's not some title conferring any nobility or grace to the person. It's a job. Salespeople or CEOs or bookkeepers can be good or bad, their job title is still their job title.

He's the president. I never call him President Bush, it just sticks in my craw, but he is the president. Legally so, though through corruption, just as some people lie on their resumes but are still legally employed.

[Minnesota Libra]

32. I don't care how petty I sound - I've been through.........

.....six long hellish years - so please forgive me if I tend to look/act a tad petty. When and if we get someone in the White House - regardless of party - who is properly elected then I will refer to the person - regardless of party - as President. Until then, that is and will remain "the WH Idiot", "Cheney's puppet", and whatever else I can think of that is less than complimentary. If that's being petty then so be it.

[Cha]

41. You're not "petty" and

neither am I. Only in an alternate universe like "1984" would bush be considered the p word. :silly:

[jobycom]

48. I don't care how you sound, either

But claiming his not president is just inaccurate, and counter productive. Claim he's a bad president, claim he's a criminal president. If you claim he's not even president, then you can't call for him to be impeached. There's nothing to it but namecalling. I'm tired of empty noise and insults and fantasies and denials and every other weak-ass feel-good excuse for not doing the hard work of taking back our democracy.

But hey, knock yourself out. If it's all about a word to you, then make yourself happy.

[MissWaverly]

38. Isn't there some legal caveat to get rid of him

I don't care how whiney, nit-picky it is, if someone who was supported by a well known individual we trust like Greg Palast asked for donations to have 2000 and 2004 election result nullified due to xyz, I would send in. We have 2-1/2 more years of this, I am not sure the country can survive
much more of this.

[jobycom]

46. It wouldn't work that way

Bush has been legally made president. Nothing can nullify that. If the cheating is finally proven incontravertibly, it would be grounds for impeachment, but not nullification. According to the laws of the Constitution, even if there was cheating, Bush was legally chosen, confirmed and sworn in as president. That's another reason we need an amendment requiring presidents to be elected. It would make the election process more important from a legal point of view. As it stands now, elections for president are little more than a courtesy--a state can technically revoke them at any time.

There is no magic wand to remove him. We have to do the hard work of winning back Congress, then we can push our Congress critters for impeachment and hope they respond. (Which brings up another thing I'd like to see changed. 435 Representatives is too few. We have no real representation, they are token votes, little more. Add two hundred more, then maybe each rep would be beholden enough to their voters to give a damn what we think.)

[niyad]

44. as a matter of curiousity, when the media, and limpballs, and assorted

reichwingnuts simply referred to twice-legally elected President Clinton simply as Clinton or Mr. Clinton, did you bother to point this little fact out to them?

[jobycom]

47. First, I don't talk to Republicans about anything if I can help it, Second

the OP said Bush was not president. Even the Republicans who hated Clinton and claimed he only won because of Perot and all that nonsense still did not deny he was the president. They may not have liked it, and may not have felt comfortable calling him President Clinton, in the same way I've already said I don't call W President Bush, but I never encountered one who claimed Clinton wasn't the president. Bush is the president. He disgraces the office and the country, but legally he's president.

[Joey Liberal]

13. He's just a "Resident"

He's certainly NOT my President.

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. I never use "President" when I refer to him

Because he isn't.

"Bush" is sufficient.

"Disaster" is even better.

[bluerum]

16. I have never called him president. And he is not a big enough man

to be a dictator either.

He a spoiled rich frat boy with a lot of toys.

[Cha]

42. Yeah, this isn't exactly

"Plantet Of the Apes" where monkeys rule.

[Dinger]

17. I Agree, And I Never Capitalize His Name, And Never Refer To His As "Presi

"President". I get the heebie jeebies whenever I see DU posts that not only refer to him as "President Bush" (I hate to have to do that, even in quotes) but have the nerve to CAPITALIZE his name! If you check my posts, I never do either. This includesall repugs.

K & R!

[fearthem]

18. "the WH squatter" -- great line should be in a headline, tv, print!

[Minnesota Libra]

20. I like that one and.................

.....I use it myself most of the time. I also use the White House Idiot, or WH Idiot a lot.

[LibDemAlways]

25. I once wrote a letter to the editor of the LA Times in

which I called the chimp "Bush" - no title. The paper published my letter but added "President" in front of the name. I was royally pissed and let them know it, telling them I've called the chimp plenty of names, but never "President," and didn't appreciate the editing which suggested that I gave the dumbass any legitimacy whatsoever.

[HughBeaumont]

26. I very rarely even USE the name "Bush" when referring to him.

Mostly "Lancelot Link", "Simian", "Bewsh" (imitating the chanting morans' drawl on Fahrenheit 911), "Presidunce", "Presidope", "Crawford Caligula" and any other such name that comes to mind.

I'll CERTAINLY never call him "President". The office and that term will now and forever be simply a paper title to me, thanks to this dick and his administration. ALWAYS remember this quote if you think for one second he's deserving of this title or these accolades; he serves ONE group of people and only one: THE WEALTHY. He's THEIR president, not ours, not yours, not mine.

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

I mean, zealous and arrogant shit like that is something you hear from a fucking MOVIE villain, not from someone in real LIFE.

[helderheid]

27. I call him the decider and cheney is trigger happy but I may have to add

squatter. I like it.

[goclark]

30. BINGO! It's all in the language

I did a post here the other day about us not allowing the RepubliCONS to OWN JESUS or the FLAG!

It's all about symbols and language and images.

In my mind he is The Resident, not the President.

Or, better yet, Squatter Bush!

There is a big difference in the image to the brain.

President Kerry and President Gore fit the bill for me.

[ryan_cats]

31. Much as I despise the guy, he IS president

Much as I despise the guy, he IS president. That doesn't stop me from calling him MR. Bush. I love how the media does it and then the wingers complain about how the media doesn't show deference to the office of President.

They miss the point that scrub-ya, at least in my eyes, has not earned any deference from me or anyone else and only derision.

[Auntie Bush]

43. I have NEVER referred to him as pres***** bush nor even Mr. B****.

He is just bush* to me at best.

[porphyrian]

33. I prefer "fucking piece of shit traitor," but it's a bit long. - n/t

[lonestarnot]

34. Honor to offer you 5!

[grannylib]

35. I like 'Pretender and Thief' vs commander in chief; that, and Unelected

Imbecile, spoiled little rich boy, Pretzeldent, and Dim Son. To name a few.

[earth mom]

36. pretzeldent, resident, the decider and *.

whenever someone calls that liar "president", I just want to hurl. :puke:

[mirandapriestly]

37. I scream at the radio when ever they call him "President"

"He's not the president!!", He was not elected by the people, he was installed with the help of evil, powerful people and corporations.

[Mr_Spock]

39. Can't say I've ever used those two words together

He ain't my President.

[Cha]

40. I've been callin' him

"fuckhead" from day one and get physically irritated when I see that p word next to bush's stained name.

[Straight Shooter]

45. For the first few weeks of 2001, I called him president Bogus.

But then I couldn't bear to attach the title "president" to this fraud, this squatter, this usurper of what rightfully belonged to Gore. So I began to refer to him as "bush." That's it. No caps, no "mister," and for damn sure no honorable title as president. Gads, I despised Reagan but I cap his name and refer to him as President Reagan with no problem, because I know the people elected him, much to my dismay at the time.

I look at the situation this way: Say I'm standing at the aisle, ready to say "I do" to my groom. A bunch of goons rush in, haul my groom away, and put an imposter, a freak, in his place. In this scenario, I am forced by conventional rules to say "I do" to the imposter.

Shall I call him my husband? Hell, no! That isn't my husband. He's a lying filthy thief whose gang of bullies took my husband away, and this imposter, this freak has been screwing me for almost six years, and I hate it and I can't wait to be rid of him.

[Bucky]

49. President Bush.

President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush.


Heh. I'm just fuckin wit' ya.

President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush. President Bush.