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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:53 PM
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Scalia: Where does the Court get the "audacity" to contradict Dumbellyou?
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 01:53 PM by BurtWorm
Maybe from the same place Congress derived the audacity to confirm a mole like Scalia to the Court.

From the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/29/washington/29cnd-scotus.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5094&en=1aa0983620edfa9b&hp&ex=1151640000&partner=homepage

Justice Scalia responded in scathing language to the majority's reasoning on this point. He quoted President Bush's order creating the tribunals, which declared them to be necessary "for the effective conduct of military operations and to prevent terrorist attacks."

"It is not clear where the Court derives the authority — or the audacity — to contradict this determination," Justice Scalia wrote.



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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:54 PM
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1. After all, the Supreme Court elected him....
Shouldn't they continue to grant his every wish?

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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:54 PM
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2. Yes and if President Gore created tribunals ...
I'm sure you'd be right behind him, Tony.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:54 PM
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3. ummm, maybe from the fact that SCOTUS is a CO-EQUAL branch of
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 01:56 PM by niyad
government, whose function is to oversee and comment on the legality of the actions of the other two CO-EQUAL branches?

what in the HELL are we doig with a justice sitting on the bench who is so completely clueless about his job????
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:01 PM
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6. has there ever been an impeachment of a
Supreme Justice? He can set the precedent if not. That man has to go.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:05 PM
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7. maybe he could have a heart attack or something and just spare us
all the BS
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:21 PM
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36. one problem with that...presupposes he has
a heart! :rofl: No, really.
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:47 PM
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28. There have been impeached Supreme Court justices, IIRC.
But I recall someone on DU, when the whole "Sicilian gesture" thing was happening, pointed out that his stubby swollen fingers were indicative of congestive heart failure, so he may not be long for this mortal coil in any event.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:07 PM
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12. That is a serious question n/t
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:59 PM
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4. huh? audacity to decide a Presidential election but no audacity for due
process....say what your Hhhhhhhhonor
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:59 PM
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5. Four words: "It's your job, dumbass."
:eyes:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:05 PM
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8. Hey Scalia, ever heard of the the 'rule of law' this country's supposed to
be based on? Please check your job description; you are supposed to enforce those laws!
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wondermanus Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:05 PM
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9. Best line of the article
is "Mr. Stamp said the court had ignored its own precedents justifying the use of tribunals instead of courts martial, and was substituting its own judgment for the president's in his role of commander in chief. "For the court to step into the war-making arena, where it has no expertise, is inappropriate," he said."

Bush has "expertise" in war-making? I'll grant you he has expertise in deserting, cowardice, and completely screwing up, but in war-making? Shows you how desperate Bushbots are when they're told they're going to have to abide by American law and values.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:26 PM
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23. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:06 PM
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10. Hey, Scalia!
Here's a gesture I'm sure you'll understand!
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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:14 PM
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18. wanna borrow this??
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:18 PM
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20. Well, it's not the same gesture HE used...but close enough.n/t
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:07 PM
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11. My opinion about what Scalia thinks
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:33 PM
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26. Yep...that's the gesture to which I was referring...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:07 PM
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13. Ok Scalia, you *ing bag of horse manure
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 02:08 PM by Time for change
The authority was derived from our Bill of Rights, which is part of our Constitution. Oh sorry, I realize you're not familiar with that document, but generally Supreme Court justices are supposed to be familiar with it. Anyhow, the Constitution makes no mention of the position of King. I realize that you have a vested interest in this, since you installed this particular king yourself, but most of us would rather live in a democracy with constitutional protections.
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:08 PM
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14. According to Cheney's Cheney, David Addington:
The only authority in this country is the President. Raw story wrote a while back:

"David Addington, believes in the Unitary Executive theory. If you guessed that this meant the power of one CEO who decides liberty and justice for all, you wouldn't be far off. It's not too far from King of Everything, really."

http://alternet.org/blogs/themix/27514

If I were the five who voted in this ruling, I'd be packing my jammies for a little trip to that tropical resort known as Gitmo!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:10 PM
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15. Scalia is vile - and should be impeached.
I vote we start a movement to impeach the motherf*cker. :mad:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:14 PM
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32. You're right, and it would do a lot more good than merely impeaching
Dumbellya, since Scalia can be wreaking havoc into his dotage that Dumbya cannot.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:11 PM
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16. He is such an idiot
words cannot describe...
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:29 PM
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24. The problem is he isn't an idiot
He's very bright and clever, and he gets two votes -- his own and Idiot Thomas's.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:02 PM
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30. Good point n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:12 PM
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17. Well, see...this is real simple
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 02:13 PM by Solly Mack
Bush can convene a military tribunal:Article 21, UCMJ

What Bush can't do is create one. Bush can't make up laws/rules/regulations regarding military tribunals. Which is exactly what he did...he created his own rules and broke existing law.

Bush has to follow existing federal laws regarding military tribunals and he has to follow existing international law.

Now, granted, the UCMJ is federal law and thereby subject to Congressional tampering (Congress can modify/change it)...which should serve as a caution with this particular Congress currently serving. There will be those who will jump at the chance top modify federal law to allow Bush his own brand of military tribunals.

Course, Congress will have to create laws that change existing federal laws protecting/guaranteeing rights(due process, right to attorney, right to see the charges against them, etc.) to do so, as well as changing the federal laws in the UCMJ regarding the procedures of military tribunals. They will also have to circumvent international law as well.

but back to Scalia's question

The court dares...because the court can rule on what is and isn't Constitutional. I would have thought you, Scalia, would know that already...considering you sit on the court. Guess you're a bigger idiot than I thought.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 05:18 PM
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35. correction needed
Husband caught my error...and boy do I feel like a clone. Article 21 refers to court martials


I knew the difference...which makes me feel more the clone.

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:15 PM
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19. Aw...perhaps he'll just blow off some steam with an orgy...
:puke:
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1096473931020
He made a similar remark in a speech Sept. 20 in Washington, to chuckles from the crowd at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center, while making the point that judges can have personal moral judgments. It is not judges' role to impose them on citizens, he said.

"Let me make it clear that the problem I am addressing is not the social evil of the judicial dispositions I have described. I accept, for the sake of argument, for example, that sexual orgies eliminate social tension and ought to be encouraged," Scalia said with a smile.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:20 PM
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21. When is Scalia going to stop pretending
and just come right out and say he's working from an agenda? When is he going to just come out and announce that he's trying to justify a theocratic autocracy?
:grr:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:25 PM
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22. Ye gods
I hope Ginsburg smacks him around with her purse.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:33 PM
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25. Here's Scalia's job description...
The U.S. Supreme Court is the highest court in the land. Its members, appointed for life, have the power to decide controversial cases. --snip--

Unlike Congress or the presidency, the Supreme Court is not supposed to be a "political" institution. It must remain neutral in order to settle legal issues, interpret laws, and decide the meaning of the Constitution. Supreme Court justices should not allow their personal or political views to color their decisions. Neither should they permit themselves to be influenced by presidents, other politicians, or popular public opinion. To help assure the justices' independence, the Constitution provides that they serve life terms unless they resign, retire, or are removed for misbehavior.

LINK
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:38 PM
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27. The US Constitution dumbass. Checks and balances remember?
I can't wait til this fucker retires.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:57 PM
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29. If Tony is too stupid to know that he is not fit to serve...
Impeach him for being too goofy!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:02 PM
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31. He is such an ass
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 03:02 PM by treestar
He could have made his point with the same sentence leaving out the "audacity" part. Sticking that in showed how unjudicial and unprofessional he is. "Audacity" is not a legal term or a legal standard.




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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:37 PM
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33. Uhm
Scal....have you noticed your talk appearances haven't been going too well either?



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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 04:08 PM
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34. F*** him! he lost
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