Kurtz, Lauria and Corallo can't seem to get their stories straight...

[dogday]

I thought this was interesting.....


Senator (932 posts) Sat Jun-24-06 03:49 AM
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239. Something curiouser from the TO forum
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Kurtz, Lauria and Corallo can't seem to get their stories straight...

In the recent Washington Post/Joe Loria hit piece on Jason Leopold - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20... - Lauria tells an oddly unbelievable tale of how he hit upon the idea that Leopold must have impersonated him. He relates that:

"I trawled the Internet looking for a clue to the truth. I found a blog called Talk Left....
...reported that Corallo said he had "never spoken with someone identifying himself as 'Jason Leopold.' He did have conversations Saturday and Sunday . . . but the caller identified himself as Joel something or other from the London... Sunday Times. . . . A chill went down my back. I freelance for the Sunday Times. My first name is often mistaken for Joel...I called Corallo. He confirmed that my name was the one the caller had used."

In this account Lauria claims to have pieced together Leopold's malfeasance thanks to his own artful snooping on the Web.

However, in his May 22 Washington Post hatchet job on Leopold, immediately following the TO indictment story - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20... - Howard Kurtz reported that it was in fact Corallo who contacted Joe Lauria after amazingly piecing together Leopold’s use of the phrase 'borders on defamation' in a 'conversation' with a 'liberal blogger':

"Corallo says a man identifying himself as London Sunday Times contributor Joe Lauria called about the story, which Corallo told him 'borders on defamation.' The man left what turned out to be a wrong number. After Leopold told a liberal blogger that Corallo had told him that the story bordered on defamation, Corallo reached Lauria..."

It's notable that much of the same vitriolic language about Leopold appears in both Kurtz's May 22 piece and Joe Lauria's recent attack, much of it almost word for word.

But they didn't quite get their stories straight. Lauria says he figured it all out and called Corallo. But Corallo had already said that he had figured it all out and called up Lauria.

Ahh what a tangled WEB...

Also notable - previous hit piece on Leopold by Kurtz and the Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18624-20...

Justice is mellow
by jeffuppy on Fri Jun 23rd, 2006 at 01:49:26 PM EDT
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[rosesaylavee]

1. Hmmmm. What odd turns this story

takes as we follow it along. Wish I could read the book now rather than wait for it. I am content tho to wait and see who is telling the truth. My current bet (or my personal bias) is with TO over the Wapo.

Thanks for posting.

[WiseButAngrySara]

3. I'm with you on TO over WaPo. My gut tells me that Leopold was

used like Hatfield and Rather. The story was true or partially true, but diminish it or discount it by blaming the messenger. It resulted in suicide/murder of the one, and loss of a lifetime career of the other.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

2. Thanks for posting. K&R. n/t

MKJ

[JuniperLea]

4. diminish it or discount it by blaming the messenger

What WiseButAngrySara said...

Thanks for this, dogday!


K&R!

[dogday]

5. I agree

We have yet to see the end of this story... We have dis-information from both sides and we do not know who is telling the truth... I don't see how anyone can discern anything else....

[JuniperLea]

6. The thing that really raises my antenna

Is the venomous attempts to discredit the messenger. It seems all too contrived to me, and too orchestrated. That tells me there is a big seed of truth in the TO articles; otherwise, why bother?

:shrug:

[MissWaverly]

7. yes, and the fact Bush announced the end of the investigation

who ever heard of the investigated announcing the end of the investigation, a new high for
Bush politics, and once again the reporters are vilified for reporting. Remember with this
crew the worst crime you can commit is telling the truth about what is going on. Which
is why they are threatening to prosecute "leakers" and reporters.

[dogday]

8. I have read that in several articles

That Patrick Fitzgerald has ended the investigation, yet I have yet to see his press release or an official statement from his office...

Does anyone know of one?

[MissWaverly]

9. No, the only thing I know

is Karl Rove is running around saying "I won't be indicted."

[mbee]

10. Could it be a play on words that he won't be indicted in the future

because he's already under sealed indictment or he's made a bargain that got him out of the indictment. The public should demand to know the facts of the situation. Unfortunately, the public doesn't even keep track of what's going on in most cases.

[MissWaverly]

11. We should all take John Dean's advice

Here's what he says should be done in the case of Valerie Plame,
it is in his book Worse than Watergate, Warner Books

Page 174

"At this writing, it is too early to know the outcome--with one exception. Any investigation
of the White House in a post-Watergate world will be incomplete and suspect, absent a
SWORN statement by the president as to what he knew and when he knew it. In this case,
that applies to the vice president as well."

[robbedvoter]

12. Well, the Rove letter was faxed, phoned, posted, e-mailed and

seen by no one. MSM reported on what Luskin said - but for all we know it's a profer. Same full of holes facts - yet some are ready to die (or kill us) to defend those fuckers. :shrug:

[dogday]

13. Don't forget sent by Carrier Pigeon

:rofl:

[Techno Dog]

25. hyperbole much? n/t

[robbedvoter]

77. Actually - quite literal - different MSM stooges reported different

versions. You would know that, as it created a job for ya.

[Techno Dog]

79. "yet some are ready to die (or kill us) to defend those fuckers."

Hyperbole much?

And I wonder if your flagrant violations of the rules here are doing anything other than discrediting your argument?

[robbedvoter]

80. Oh, that's just deserts. Guckert, WaPo and paid trolls & Rove

What a cause to embrace! (I am talking of the schmucks who don't draw a check for it)

[Techno Dog]

85. Well I know

what you hope to do is drive me away with your idiocy, and intimidate others into toeing YOUR line, but people like you are easily rebuked.

It only takes one refused request to provide proof of your claims for people to realize not only do you not have any but you must either have weak reasoning skills or undisclosed motives.

So enjoy yourself because you are doing your case only harm, and bringing suspicion and ridicule on yourself by those reading but who have no interest being on the receiving end of your ineptness.

The people you mention above have every reason in the world to want to discredit the entire blogisphere completely unrelated to the junkie punk Leopold.

It is people like you that demand we circle our wagons around him that are actually enabling their efforts.

Bravo.

[grytpype]

14. Aw Jeez

[dogday]

15. Is it true or not?

Why can't we examine all aspects of this story since we know there are known liars on both sides of this story?

This shit again, is new shit that shows someone wasn't getting their story straight either... Is it wrong? Can you prove it wrong?

I just want the truth, do you have anything to offer?

[grytpype]

16. Yeah, Ah Jeez

There are people who will believe any kind of made-up bullshit because they don't have any experience or any sense of what's plausible and what's not. I don't happen to be one of them. I don't find reality boring like some people do.

If Truthout said the secret Rove indictment was stolen by aliens from Saturn which is why no one kind find it, I suppose you would go, hmmm, aliens, eh?

[dogday]

17. Nope, just asking for the truth

not the vitriol.. Somehow I knew the ridicule was coming.. I said there are liars on both sides of this story, not one, both... I ask the questions.. Give me the truth... Is this all you have???

[Techno Dog]

20. If your husband

had been threatened and had his career jeopardized because he called bullshit on an OBVIOUSLY bullshit story do you think you would sit back and let people like you say you need more proof, even though proof of the threat and MANY others had clearly been shown, proved with MULTIPLE SOURCES, and not even denied by the abuser?

History is littered with the corpses of people who sought to stand up for themselves but who were told to back off because the people being asked hadn't been abused themselves.

You put yourself in poor company.

Imagine you couldn't post at DU and feed your family at the same time, you'd be pretty bitter no?

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(waiting for the "I'm not married" so your point is irrelevant reply)

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[Techno Dog]

23. Yes

Kurtz left out the 'was' for brevity.

And maybe to give people like you a nugget to continue to make DU and other sites where Leopoldians run amok look ridiculous.

Rove hasn't been indicted. Bush never said the Plame investigation was over, and TO has admitted they weren't set up by rove.

What part of that don't you understand?

Armando, Anonymous Army, and many others were told by Leopold they would be 'outed' if they continued debunking his fiction. Armando refused, and after the next Plame article was debunked his personal information was posted all of the net by the same user that posted the sealed vs sealed fantasy in the first place.

Which part of that do you not think is an undisputed fact.

If there is any dispute of the above please post it here.

[dogday]

28. Attack Attack Attack

Sealed vs Sealed? What??? I posted this thread about discrepancies on how Lauria obtained his information... Is that right or wrong?



"Kurtz let out the 'was' for brevity."

How do you know this?


"And maybe to give people like you a nugget to continue to make DU and other sites where Leopoldians run amok look ridiculous-- "

Attack attack attack-is that all you ever do???


Is this poster right or wrong... Just answer the question...

And I sure would like some reference to all your statements.. You know reference, not opinion...

[Techno Dog]

33. Asked and answered.

References provided several times.

You need to come up for air.

If you call what I post attacks maybe a political message board, especially one called Democratic Underground, isn't delicate enough for your sensibilities.

I would love to hear your opinion on all of the threats leopold has sent his critics. You know, the ones detailed and posted online, linked to you before, that Leopold has never denied.

[dogday]

34. Where are they?

I haven't seen any of this... I want to see it all, everything from both camps... Bring it all out...


I welcome it

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[Techno Dog]

43. I'm sorry

but that post should be deleted.

I wasn't the one who brought up Anonymous Army. I have been called him by several people that wish to deflect criticism and avoid questions. I hadn't even heard of the guy until lala and others accused me of being him, and I post at kos.

But, since they did I looked him up. I would really like a few links to his scummy behavior if you think you can ignore others behavior because this guy is some how involved.

If he is as disreputable as you claim it would seem like a clever ploy on Leopold's part to send him threatening emails as well so that people like you, lala, and other Leopudlians can dismiss Jason's threats, and abuse he inflicted on indisputably reputable progressives.

Does being a member of kos as well as this guy qualify as 'company I keep'? Are none of us here on DU allowed to share opinions he makes publicly lest we be accused of keeping company with him?

Please send me links you think justify all of this hyperbole, I'm a quick study. Also please see his latest diary and in particular his response to what appears to be lala honoring my request for her to stop bashing me and sign up at Kos and bash him.

Why don't you do the same. Kos has an auto ban function that lets the community purge people unwelcome. I'm sure based on my experience there if you can make a case that he is a scum bag he would get enough negative mojo that you could really have something to write a thread about.

As it stands this guy seems like a well respected member of dailykos, judging by the list of recommender's in his diaries, and all of these dismissive posts seem like wishful thinking to avoid the reality of Leopold's behavior.

edit to add link:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/6/19/20555/1560/49#c49

[dogday]

45. Well actually you brought him up on this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1497993&mesg_id=1499241


To be technical... It was you who brought his name into this thread....

[Techno Dog]

52. This is one of those times I'm

going to help you find the truth in your posts.

I said I had been accused of being him several times, all but a very few of those accusations were deleted because I guess there was no proof.

Being technical only matters when you are right.

Is there a rule I missed that says no links to anonymous army are allowed even when they are relevant to the issues being discussed?

Are you saying Leopold threatening thisarmy guy is acceptable behavior and therefore his threats to Armando and other kossaks are irrelevant?

[dogday]

55. I don't know anything about what you are talking

about... See you actually are posting to someone who has never used the name. I have heard the associations by others, but I have not personally known his posts or anything about him or his interaction with Leopold....

Can you enlighten me???


Did you mean to post to me... I was just being factual....

[Techno Dog]

60. Can I enlighten you about what?

Why people here think this guy is vile? Or what he did that people think all they have to do to dismiss detractors is accuse them of being him?

No I really can't enlighten you. I wish someone else would so we can stay on topic.

[dogday]

61. Attack Attack Attack

and change the subject... Wow impressive but vague....

[Techno Dog]

65. Attack?

Change what subject? What do you want to be enlightened about other than that which I explained I was in the dark about.

[bettyellen]

47. the mods have ruled on kneepads you didn;t complain when it was TO

supporters being ridiculed, did you? i know i, and others did. you didn;t have a problem with the expression then. funny.
all of a sudden the goalposts have moved again, interesting.
and by company you keep, i meant people you plagerized from without credit. that's where the AA connection came into question. funny how you forget that. and you forget scamdy, too. go look at anonymous army's contributions there, and you'll see what a vile nutjob he is.

[Techno Dog]

58. ok

it is obvious from my post above I had no objection to the term kneepad so no goal post shifting here.

Could you please post where I plagiarized ANYBODY let alone Anonymous Army? Real progressive are thoroughly insulted when they are called plagiarists without out proof. I know to Leopold fans plagiarism is old hat but not for the rest of us.

By Scamdy do you mean Scamdy.com? Do you have any links handy to objectionable posts or are you hoping to waste my time wading through threads looking for YOUR proof?

You have a tall task to prove your claims, I hope you are up to it.

Now, unless further evidence is presented that I'm a plagiarist, or working for Karl Rove will not answer anymore of this garbage and instead focus on the issue at hand....

Leopold's abusive behavior and his smearing a well respected progressive author because that author spoke out about Leopold's unethical assumption of his identity.

[bettyellen]

62. why would i bother dragging his shit over here? you may admire Anonymous

Army....but anyone who's been here a more than a year knows what a POS he is- a self admitted FOUNDER of scamdy and phony soldier.
you can do the research if you care for your own rep. i'm not doing it, because you'll hit alert, as is your habit.

[Techno Dog]

70. Admire?

My rep with who, you? You called me a plagiarist but refuse to point to where I have done any plagiarizing so why should I give a shit what you think of me?

You have made several claims as if what you say is conventional wisdom when nobody has backed any of it up.

Did you read the link I posted where Larisa tries to make some pretty crazy claims and did a worse job than you have making a case that this guy did anything.

She was even troll rated. Is what you call conventional wisdom so secret only older DU'ers can be trusted with the information?

"because you'll hit alert, as is your habit."

When you make claims like that I really doubt anything you have to say about anything else because I have hit alert exactly twice since coming here and not once in a few days.

So it would appear your wisdom isn't as conventional as you thought.

[bettyellen]

72. this is baiting so my post can be deleted. fuck these games.

you could damn well find out the "company your keeping" and their history if you cared to.
anyone who wants to know, including yourself.... can search. doh! but you prefer to play dumb.

[Techno Dog]

76. What part of

"I looked him up" don't you understand?

From the links I posted it looks like you and lala have no evidence of the claims you make, and according to aa's reply you guys have tried this stuff before without ever proving any of it.


I asked for links to your claims in good faith because you seem to dismiss the entire story because he is involved and you expect others to as well offering only old time DU'ers like you and lala's word the proof exists.

You also accused me of plagiarism and said I chose poor company to keep but you failed to clarify what you mean by keeping company.

Is is baiting you to ask you to apologize for that remark considering your refusal to back it up?

[Jigarotta]

87. I'm looking forward to an explanation on the plagerism charge

you made against Techno.

I hope you didn't say that off handedly without thinking because it is a serious charge, and you not providing any evidence of it makes you look a bit foolish, at the least.

So if you have some basis to make this accusation, please provide some kind of proof.

[bettyellen]

90. reposting someone else's BS from Kos is a serious charge?

um, i don;t think so. but it's searchable. sorry, not going to play the delete you game no more.
someones got a hot finger for the alert button.

[Jigarotta]

92. I am sure you said 'plagarism' not 'someone else's BS'.

and I'm sure you know the difference.

also sure you'll avoid an apology.

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[Jigarotta]

97. 'your friend', 'you guys'. o come on, betty.

i'm being accused of... what exactly?

having a 'friend'?
who would that be, let me know so I can let him or her know when my birthday is and I want a new blender as a gift.

this could be comedic if not so sad.

[bettyellen]

99. deflect much? friend= person who's defense you are CONSTANTLY jumping to

and no, i'm too lazy to provide links. fuck that. you'd be blind to miss it.
just like you'd be blind not to find the AA/Scamdy stuff. doh!

[Jigarotta]

101. then I have millions of 'friends' -

those who despise Bush and Rumsfeld and Rove and Wolfowitz and Cheney and Coulter, etc.

Odd way you have about you, betty.

btw, any contributions I may have on this topic involves questioning the shakey TO story and not CONSTANTLY supporting my 'friends' here.

[Techno Dog]

100. So let me get this straight

After calling me a plagiarist you are now saying all of this guy's "shit stained tracks" have been deleted, and that is why you can't prove I'm a plagiarist?

Then you say I'm "cribbing"?

What exactly have I cribbed? Is calling out Leopold cribbing aa?

I don't know who you are but if you are anything like the other person whose accusations resemble yours I can only conclude opinion you hold of your self far outstrips anyone else's

I would like you to link to lies, fabrications, or unsubstantiated claims I've reposted here from aa or anyone else.

This is the single most bizarre display I have ever witnessed on a political message board.

I saw something similar on a dog breading forum once but the people making the claims were able to prove the woman they were accusing of selling mixed breed dogs as pure had done so several times, and she was charged.

The last time I hit alert on one of you accusing me of being aa I asked whoever receives the alerts if they could explain a bit about a situation that turns supposed rational people into raving idiots. I asked because if their is evidence I and other at kos can do something about it as far as him posting there is concerned.

I even told lala to go there and call him out instead of pissing on me. The results of that were linked for you above.

In the link aa replies to the charges which she says includes him working for the DIA. It all seems like it was written for a bad movie contest.

Is there anything you can prove demonstrably false in any of the links I have ever provided here, aa related, armando, DHinMi, or Lauria related?

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[Jigarotta]

46. wohoa, what's with this Armando thing.

can u give me a link to more info. I've not been watching this car crash for a few days now.

[Techno Dog]

59. Sure

http://www.swordscrossed.org/?p=182

[Jigarotta]

94. thanks for the link, but I can't make much sense of it.

You are suggesting that it was Leopold that was behind this?
I have no reason to believe nor disbelieve this, but how was this arrived at?
ISP checking or somthing like that?

There's another player in the mix that has been unusally silent on this matter. I wonder if his sock drawer has been busy, as well.

[bettyellen]

24. no one is explaining the discrepencies... or even addresssing them...

they want to believe rove's spokesman so desperately.
what's that about?

[Techno Dog]

31. Who wants to believe Rove's spokesman?

What discrepancies other than the use of the word reached?

I and others believe the well respected and widely published PROGRESSIVE writer's version of events over Leopold's.

Where is Corallo's lie regarding Lauria's contact? How does Lauria's story contradict any quotes printed from Corallo?

The ONLY discrepancy comes from Kurtz the putz's choice of words to describe Lauria's contact with Corallo.

Talk about grasping at straws.

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[Jigarotta]

95. I'm still working on the 24 business hour discrepency...

so it may take me a while to catch up. but when i do, by golly!

[JuniperLea]

19. I think that's the point

There is nothing to believe here. Nothing real and concrete to dispute the TO story, or to support it, which is why your "alien" question seems so silly to me. Seems you are the one believing in something that isn't there. You are willing to believe there isn't a shred of truth in that story? Based on what? The ever-changing words from "the other side"? Words from Rove's people? Please. There is no hard evidence on this story at all. None. Not from either side. A search for the truth is noble, imho.

[grytpype]

26. It's confusing a lot of people that Fitzgerald didn't make an announcement

It's confusing a lot of people that Fitzgerald didn't make an announcement after he decided to drop the case against Rove. But that's what prosecutors are supposed to do when they don't indict someone. No announcement, no comment. It's called grand jury secrecy.

Now when Luskin said he had a letter from Fitz saying there would be no charges, if that was false, Fitzgerald could comment on that. He could have said there was no such letter and the investigation is ongoing. But he didn't.

So with a bit of common sense, it's clear what's happened.

Some people won't accept that, they prefer to believe a coke-addicted serial fabricator who got fired from Salon and Raw Story before he found a website foolish enough to stand by him and defend his hoax.

And look, no one outside of the lefty blogoworld even knows who Jason Leopold is. Karl Rove does not stay up nights trying to trick him into discrediting himself.

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[grytpype]

37. Whatever. Go believe what you want. You will anyway.

[JackORoses]

63. yes, I agree

to believe what I want is much better than to believe what YOU want.
I'll continue to do so.

[dogday]

38. Hi JackORoses

Welcome to DU :hi: Great post by the way.. It is not a bad thing to ask why?

[JackORoses]

66. thanks

It is not bad to ask "Why?",
But if you defend your right to do so against G-man and his ilk,
you risk getting your posts deleted when they cry to the mods.

[dogday]

67. I am not sure why that happened

I saw nothing wrong with it, however it is not my decision to make... You can pm the mods and ask them if you need clarification...

[JackORoses]

71. it's alright

it must be too inflammatory to state the obvious when it comes to some people.

[Techno Dog]

83. No

It's disrespectful, unethical, and down right rude to accuse people not falling in line with your thinking of being things you can't prove.

That kind of behavior is taught at the Leopold school of journalism.

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[Techno Dog]

86. .

:hug:

[Techno Dog]

27. How many liars on our side?

I count one confirmed. Would you agree with that?

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[dogday]

68. Ah come on now, that was hillareous.....

:hi:

[Catherine Vincent]

18. You're right, it is a tanged web.

I wouldn't trust anything Corallo says and as far as this Lauria guy, he's iffy too judging by that opinion piece he wrote on Leopold.

Good deal, dogday! :thumbsup:

[paulk]

22. Joe Lauria is far more of a credible journalist than Leopold

he has written other articles

google is your friend

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[paulk]

39. it matches for me

when I put Leopold's credibility up against Lauria's. Leopold has, by his own admission, done this sort of thing before.

"Kneepads for truth" ?

Is that some sort of way to demean people who might not agree with you?

That's hardly a very "credible" way to make an argument.

[bettyellen]

42. the same poster said kneepads for TO

and yeah, i'm using it in irony. it is pretty offensive, but my usage is preemptive. LOL.
i see two conflicting stories with a rove employee at the root of both of them.
is that not the case here? isn't all of lauria's info coming from corolla? and the discrepency is who called who after they figured it out?

[Euphen]

41. Read Lauria's article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/16/AR2006061601754.html

The only way that Leopold is telling the truth is if:
a) TalkLeft is part of the conspiracy.
b) Corallo knew that Lauria's first name was often confused for "Joel," knew his phone number and who he worked for, and told TalkLeft that he was contacted by a Joel with a 917 number knowing that Lauria would read TalkLeft and make the connection, all in an effort to further discredit a known liar and plagarist working for an obscure left-wing website.
OR: c) Lauria, a credible progressive journalist with a reputation to protect, is lying.

Edited for clarity.

[bettyellen]

44. if Corallo got someone to post this at TalkLeft, which doesn;t seem a

big stretch, btw. nor does corolla getting lauria's name and phone #, that's kinda easy.
so given that, how would that mean Lauria lied? wouldn;t he just have had to buy the story Corolla floated?
am i missing something here?

[Euphen]

48. Well, first Corolla would have to know that Leopold had met with Lauria,

which is quite a stretch.

Here's the post from TalkLeft. I believe it is from the owner of the website. http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014843.html

I meant that if the other two weren't true then Lauria must have lied. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[bettyellen]

53. i think if you're going to makeup a story- you have to piece it together

with bits of gossip like who's met who and that's what might give it credibility. it's SOP for good liars.
the whole joe/ joel # change thing? i thought up loads of shit like that in HS trying to stay out of trouble. i don;t see that as any particular genius, really. in fact i probably think it smells merely because it reminds me of made up shit i've heard.
thanks for the link to the talk left story. i gotta run out, but i'll be interested to look at it later.
hope we can find a definitive source for it.
tks again.

[Techno Dog]

64. we have definitive sources

Merritt, and Lauria. Both HIGHLY REGARDED progressives with reputations for ethical behavior.

The ONLY way Leopold is telling the truth is if Corallo or Rove had surveillance on Leopold to know he had met Lauria three days before the may 12 fiction.

And if you already believe Leopold at this point you are probably going to believe that too.

[bettyellen]

75. aren't they both taking the word of corolla?

surveillance? so cloak and dagger, when a little gossip would do just as well.
unlike you, i'm certain of nothing. i can actually accept the fact that i don;t know. :).

[Techno Dog]

78. No they aren't.

For this story to make sense the way you tell it, Corallo would have had to know Lauria met with jason 3 days before May 12th.

It is not my theory that requires cloak and dagger.

I think it happened as Merritt and Lauria say, and I think Ash and Leopold are fools for taking on such well respected progressives. Who knows maybe that's why I'm here.

[bettyellen]

89. who else is a witness to this call but Corolla? who else could be?

what other source could this story be coming from, if not Corolla? was someone else on the line?
i'm not convinced merely because i distrust Corolla as much as anyone else. and it wou;dn;t be the firs time the wo po was duped by rove's people either.
spin spin spin....i trust no one.

[Catherine Vincent]

49. He may be credible but he's still iffy when it comes to his opinion

on Leopold.

[Jigarotta]

82. maybe you mean your opinion of him is iffy because

his opinion of Leopold is iffy?

I actually don't know what you mean.

[Catherine Vincent]

88. I'm glad you don't know what I mean.

You're one of THEM. LOL!

[Jigarotta]

93. heh. You should write for TO.

if you're glad I didn't know what you meant by your words.
they may be looking for a replacement or two soon.

THEM!
:)

[Euphen]

35. Where does Corallo say that he called Lauria?

I see Kurtz saying that Corallo called Lauria, but since Kurtz wasn't involved in any of the actual events, he probably just remembered the details incorrectly.

[dogday]

50. This Story gets stranger by the minute.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1499503&mesg_id=1499503


IT APPEARS KARL ROVE PLEAD GUILTY TO MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT BEFORE ANY CHARGES WERE BROUGHT AND WITHOUT A DEAL HAVING BEEN MADE

[Garbo 2004]

54. CS is also the one who claimed Wilson, Plame conspired with Bush

Administration to out Plame and are guilty of treason. CS pulls things out of his butt and it's regarded by some as as good as fact here? That's what strange IMO.

[H2O Man]

56. Yep.

I agree.

[dogday]

57. Where is that article please?

I never heard that.. Could I have a reference?

[Garbo 2004]

69. He's claimed David Corn, Wilson outed Plame. He's claimed they and Plame

are part of a Bush Administration conspiracy and are all guilty of treason.

Here's one of several articles where he's made those claims: http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/08/treasongate-in-cahoots-how-white-house.html

[dogday]

73. Wow thanks for that

The truth is all I ask for... Thanks for sharing :hi:

[Jazz2006]

74. The big "discrepancy" is over the use of the word "reached"

by a third party who was not even part of the events?

Pretty weak "discrepancy" to hang one's hopes on.

[Jigarotta]

81. could be some Kurtz apologizers here.

we know how beloved he is.
:sarcasm:
makes you wonder, don't it?
:rofl:

[H2O Man]

91. Just as the

Rendon Group had thousands of tiny flags distributed to crowds in Kuwait, in order to manipulate the American public ("perception management"), so does mass communication -- be it the corporate media or progressive internet sites -- have an anonymous army of weasals planting little flags of doubt about the Plame case .... they claim "no harm done," "wilson's a liar," "the prosecutor is ambitious," "only a couple wacko journalists care," and "the country would be best served by pardoning Scooter."

Only now, more and more people are seeing through the lies. The public knows that VP Cheney & Co lied our country into an oil war. And none of the disinformation and dstractions can change that.

[depakid]

98. The Post has even less credibility than Truthout these days!

LOL- it's true.

Anyone who values honesty, integrity and ethics doesn't even use the Post for fishrap.

Their antics over the past several years have made them little more than a laughingstock.

[LeftCoast]

102. Locking

This thread has degenerated into a flamefest.