"CUT & RUN", "STAY THE COURSE, "LIE & DIE" are JUST slogans-- DEATH AIN'T!

[FrenchieCat]

I'm tired of all of the slogans for Iraq!
I'm tired of the political positioning on Iraq!
I'm tired of our politicians understanding matters after the fact about Iraq!

Timeline or no, Iraq is the biggest foreign policy blunder in history, and no matter what is done, we no longer have control of the ultimate outcome...not with the lousy leadership currently running things.

Whether we start to pull out in December 06, in June 07, or in Jan 09 (with a new Democratic President), one thing I know is that Bush will do what Bush want's to do, and the media will keep covering for him.

Iraq is a mess that will haunt us and the Middle East for years to come, no matter what.

What I know to be true is that there is a greater war than the one we are fighting in Iraq.....and that is the one we are fighting right here at home, for our democracy.

That's the war that I am willing to wage, and that is the war that WE MUST WIN.

Iraq is a 1/2 Trillion dollar distraction that will not resolve itself whether we pull out or stay in.

Do we Stay or do we go? At this point, I don't give a Fuck! And I don't think that Democrats' position on this nightmare mean a hell of a lot, and they certainly don't need to be arguing with each other about what to do about it........cause they ain't in charge any goddamn way!

We should have never gone into Iraq--that was the ultimate mistake made, and nothing we do now is going to reverse that fact. Waging an Elective war when we didn't have to should be the question Democrats pose each and everytime they are seen and heard.

and when Democrats are asked what they would do by our "bought" media, they should respond...."it's the LEADERSHIP, stoopid, that has made us unsafe!, and considering that nothing Democrats do or say changes a thing that has already happen, what does it matter what I think? The media will just make Democrats appear weak and ineffective cause that's what you all have been instructed. If reporters have any decency left, they would be asking the administration what the plan is by asking our President, When can we expect our soldiers home?!"

Let's see the media deal with that!

[BOSSHOG]

1. Slogans are much more important to the gop base

then our kids lives in Iraq. They do not care at all that our kids are getting slaughtered. They just want some else to stay the course. Our kids are dying, our Army is being driven into the desert sand, bush is wasting billions and his religiously insane base stand by and cheer at the deaths of not only iraqi civilians and our kids. After all, their cheer is they are volunteers and more people get killed in car wrecks. This from the pro-life crowd. Start pulling ot now.

[FrenchieCat]

2. TRUE! But the public is eating the slogans up....... with aid from media,

and Dems aren't helping themselves by not refocusing the attention to the fact that we shouldn't be in iraq to begin with. In fact, they are helping blur the real issue.......and are now on the defensive when they shouldn't have to!

[zestfolly]

3. MAKE JOBS, NOT WAR

[FrenchieCat]

4. and

Start kicking some Republican ass.....you Democratic leaders.

Get in their face and tell them that they are responsible for this mess! That it was their policies and lack of diplomacy that got us where we are in Iraq. If the American public want to see a different outcome then more death of our soldiers and more money thrown at the wind, they need to vote Democrat, Period!" :patriot:

[zestfolly]

5. I'm tired of all of the slogans for Iraq!

That right there would make a good counter slogan.

[FrenchieCat]

7. We have allowed the Republicans to shape the debate.....

and Democrats are now judging each other on whether they are for timeline or No. That's ridiculous, cause that shouldn't be the debate at all!

Because whether we "announce" we are getting out of Iraq or not is NOT what is important, While actually getting the fuck out of Iraq IS important.... but it won't happen unless we win 2006....and we can't win 2006 if we are too busy debating each other about something that we cannot do unless we win! The GOP has trapped us into arguing about nothing....essentially!

[Sailor for Warner]

6. Timeline or no, Iraq is the biggest foreign policy blunder in history,"

Whoah I think we need a little perspective here. Pitt failing to keep France/Spain/Holland out of the Revolution, the XYZ affair, us picking a fight with Britain in 1812, Davis failing to secure British/French recognition for the Confederacy, WW1 in General, The L. or Nations, Munich Pact, Stalin Signing the non-agression pact with Hitler, Vietnam. Those are foreign policy blunders of far greater magnificence. They cost lives and property that make Iraq look like a picnic.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Iraq ain't OVER yet......

And from where I sit, the potential damage is far greater than we most likely are imagining. The entire region has been effected by this invasion, and most of the world is seeing American totally differently than they ever have.

Iraq, by the time all is said and done, will not be labeled a "picnic".

You can quote me on that!

[Sailor for Warner]

9. We Americans have such short term memories

I have noticed that we always like to think that our crisis is the defining point in history for such and such. In the long run I dont think that Iraq will even match up with Vietnam in terms of Boneheaded shit done by America, and you can quote me on that :popcorn:

[FrenchieCat]

10. I will quote you....but the thing about current events is that it is hard

to dictate where things will all end up until after the fact...

Note that the IRAN issue, which is linked to the fact that we are in Iraq has just begun.

One event effects another.......

We will see, and I hope that you are right, and not me....that this will have turned out to be a picnic. And Expensive Picnic I might add......but a picnic nevertheless!

[Sailor for Warner]

11. Many people have an over inflated notion of the effect that Iran will

Have on the region, but who knows I could be wrong.

[FrenchieCat]

12. That was my point......

we don't know....But it ain't looking all that peachy picnicky to me!

Not when you check out who's got their finger on the button and their record thus far!

But my main point is the fact that Democrats are debating each other.......and seems to me, they should be approaching this political issue (cause that's all it is in the end) differently! :hi:

[ksclematis]

13. Iraq ain't OVER yet.....

You're right on the money, Frenchie Cat:
"Iraq, by the time all is said and done, will not be labeled a "picnic"."

It won't be labeled a "slam dunk", either!

ksclematis

GO!!!! WES!!!!