Freeper "strategy" for winning Bush's failed war: Kill every 10th Iraqi

[Proud2BAmurkin]

:rofl:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1652667/posts?page=23#23

[mike_c]

1. the nazi collective punishment solution, naked and visible to all....

None dare call it fascism, huh?

[TahitiNut]

13. AFAIK, the Roman army invented 'decimation'

It was a form of 'military discipline.' It's also practiced in a far more "sophisticated" form at the US service academies.

[mike_c]

18. yes, but its suggested use here is as collective punishment...

...against civilians, as in "for every one of our soldiers killed, ten civilians will be randomly chosen and executed."

http://www.juancole.com/2004/09/president-al-yawir-decries-collective.html

Iraqi President Ghazi al-Yawir strongly protested US air strikes against Iraqi cities, comparing them to Israeli tactics in Gaza and branding them a form of "collective punishment." Collective punishment was a Nazi tactic during World War II, and was forbidden as a tool to occupying powers in the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949. Al-Yawir's condemnation of the US use of the tactic is the strongest to date from a high-level Iraqi politician.

[datasuspect]

2. i think congress and the white house need to come up

with a "final solution to the iraqi question"

sarcasm intended.

[jmowreader]

28. You're right. They do. No sarcasm.

The final solution will require Turkish assistance, because you'll need to have Turkey cede some land.

Basically, the only way to solve this problem is to create three countries where one now stands. In the north you will have Kurdistan. This is why Turkey has to be involved: they have Kurds too, and the Turkish Kurds are gonna be monumentally pissed if the Iraqi Kurds get a country and the Turkish Kurds don't. Fortunately for all concerned, Turkish Kurdistan and Iraqi Kurdistan adjoin.

Sunni territory is in the middle, and Shia territory in the south.

There are two immediate problems that come to mind. One is access to the Persian Gulf. To solve that you'll need to declare all of Iraq's coastline--there isn't very much anyway--and 20km of the western side of the country to be "administrative land" held for the benefit of all three nations. We build an 8-lane freeway in this area and put it under UN sanction, and the Kurds and Sunnis can trade. Without this they're landlocked.

The bigger problem is access to oil. The historically-Sunni territory in Iraq doesn't have much. This will require special consideration, which is a nice way of saying "gerrymander the border so the Sunnis have some sort of oil revenue." Otherwise you're stuck with putting a high-tech industry in Iraq. Iraqis are smart people; they could be trained to have a high-tech industry. They should have one. But that area is also oil country, and the Sunnis will start a number of wars if they don't have some under their own ground.

Once we do this, and we get the three countries living with some sort of peaceful arrangement, we can get the fuck out of their countries.

[unpossibles]

30. I agree 100%

And wish more would discuss this very valid and workable idea. They could even be three countries with a union (like the EU) if that helps in resource sharing.

[genie_weenie]

33. Unfortunately, the Confederation idea has several flaws

1) Turkey will never yield land. Period. They will go to war with the Kurds of Turkey and N. Iraq, rather than allow a Kurdistan. And I'm talking seriosu War. Also, the question of Kirkuk arises. The Kurds claim Kirkuk as an ancestoral city, but Saddam relocated many Arab families into the city over the last 20 years.

2) Baghdad. It's not just a symbolic center ALL of the current infrastructure routes into the city. All Oil pipe lines, all dams were designed with Bahdad in mind, all power from the Haditha Dam, all highways. This was done on purpose and it makes Baghdad a city no group will want to abandon. The Shia will want it for the Control and the Sunnis will want it because without Baghdad their land is the Syrian Desert, and the Kurds need the infrstructure until Halliburton starts pumping oil out through Turkey from the North.

So, I don't think your plan is going to every get going but, I think it's the best plan I've seen. No joke.

[jmowreader]

37. Baghdad is probably the biggest flaw in the plan

It's fairly obvious WHY Baghdad was set up as it was: Saddam was there. And just like an American politician, he spent most of the money on the place he spent most of the time.

Now the next question is, how many days of combat, in dollars, would it take to pay to build two more Baghdads? In other words, to declare Mosul in the north "the capital of Kurdistan" and Nasiriyah in the south "the capital of whatever the Shia want to call their country" and upgrade all the infrastructural stuff to equal prewar Baghdad? I think we could do a real nice job for what we spend on six to twelve months' worth of combat.

Then you've got to deal with the Turks. I really wonder if you could get the Turks on board by (1) not requesting they cede land and (2) offering to move all their Kurds, at US expense--we started the problem, we have to fix it--into Iraqi Kurdistan. Yes, we'd have to remove the Arab settlements in Kurdistan at our expense. But let's get down to basics: there's not a lot of prize real estate in Iraq. The only things that are worth fighting over are the few populated places, the Tigris and Euphrates River systems, the oilfields and anything significant to Islam--which in Iraq is a very short list since the big Islamic holy places are in Saudi Arabia and Israel. We can completely relocate these people to all-new towns where everything works for a couple hundred million.

Nothing's going to work, but this comes closer to working than anything else anyone's come up with yet.

[genie_weenie]

43. Unfortunately Turkey will NEVER

go for your plan. Period. Even if we angled to get them into the EU as a trade off. They will not abide an independant Kurdistan. And the Kurds would want Kirkuk as the capital which would also irritate Iran and many Arabs in Iraq.

Additionally Baghdad is still and will always be the prize for the Shia. Even if you build up Umm Qasr or Nasiriyah to comperable or better status. And the Sunni Arabs aren't going to give up controlling Baghdad and just settle for the Syrian Desert.

But, hey you've got a far far far better plan than "Stay the Course."

[NewJeffCT]

3. and the Roman Empire is where now?

That's like the bumper sticker I've seen "Nuke their ass & take their gas" - I always want to point out that if you nuke them, you'd have to send somebody into the radioactive wasteland to rebuild the oil pumps, etc.

[Kutjara]

8. The average Freeper would have no problem at all...

...sending people into a nuclear wasteland to pump oil; as long as they're black, Mexican, atheist, gay, etc., etc., etc....

[ThomCat]

14. Very true.

They'll order the troops in to do it. After all, the freepers clearly think that troops are expendable.

[gaspee]

4. Didn't the romans do this?

Decimation. ring a bell, anyone? I hate when people use decimation to mean wiping out. It means killing one in ten. Empires have a long tradition of collective punishment. Anyone still think some Americans don't want the US to be an Empire? With all the trappings? I thought Empire was abhorrant to the American tradition.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. They did it to their own troops.

Maybe the freepers would do the same thing. You know, get them motivated.

[HannibalBarca]

42. Yes the Romans did

...it to a legion/century who did not live up to expectation in battle for example, kill 1 in 10 of the soldiers. I see those brilliant tacticians over at freerepublic are really aiming to win the hearts and minds struggle.
To advocate something of this nature is idiotic to the extreme.

[Chipper Chat]

6. I like the comment by freeper "Bombard"

that in revenge every person, animal, and building within 5o miles should be killed or leveled.
That's like saying in punishment for Timothy McVeigh's actions we should kill all 25-yr-old blond male republicans and level every building within 50 miles of Oklahoma City because the residents there LET him bomb the building.

[Kutjara]

11. "We should kill all 25-yr-old blond male republicans..."

Well, when you put it like that...

[jdeetz1019]

12. I think Mr. Bombard should be required to stand

in front of a weeping Iraqi woman with her dead children betwen them and attempt to explain why this is all such a good idea. Its easy to talk shit from your computer desk, but unless he is posting from Ramadi or Baghdad, he needs to shut the fuck up

[newyawker99]

25. Hi jdeetz1019!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. Sage advice from some idiot sitting in his underwear

in his mother's old house in Indiana or someplace nursing a VO and water suffering with a slow dial-up.

[izzie]

7. Well if it true Bush wanted this guys head what else is new?

This endless killing is just not going to stop. The leader like it to much.Theirs and ours

[unpossibles]

9. um. they really don't pay attention to reality, do they?

We need to blow this new Al-Quaida in Iraq leader, just like we did Al-Zawqari....a.s.a.p.

um, we didn't "blow" (I will assume he meant "blow up") Zawqari as soon as possible at all. It took us about 3 years of letting him run around free even though we knew where he was.

But don't let facts stop you there.

Or maybe he's implying to let the new leader build a stronger base for 3 years to justify another war. It's so hard to understand their subtlety... :eyes:

[unpossibles]

10. wait... I figured it out

he did mean "blow" after all - I mean, all they seem to know is how to blow leaders.

[Orangepeel]

26. well, that way, somebody could impeach him

:rofl: even though it isn't funny

[Redstone]

16. So, we can call them Nazis now without triggering Godwin's Law?

Seems like we should be able to, since they've declared themselves to be such.

Redstone

[Thickasabrick]

17. Here's a nice gem from the same thread - it's nice to see the

black hearts of freeps exposed for all to see.

To: DoughtyOne

Bomb, the nearest village to dust....the boys over there are going to be shooting first, talking later...the only good Muslim, is a dead Muslim....

45 posted on 06/20/2006 3:22:07 PM PDT by thinking

This is representative of how every republican REALLY feels even though most will never admit it. We are fighting pure evil folks - motivates the hell out of me to continue to fight against these freaks.

[BreweryYardRat]

24. No it's not.

Spare the hyperbole. My dad is a Goldwater Republican who can't stand that sort of shit.

But the people on FR are drooling fascist or corporatist subhumans. Sadly, they're the majority of the Republican party these days.

[Thickasabrick]

27. Sounds like your dad would be labeled a RINO. Goldwater

would probably be considered a libertarian today. I don't feel the same way about republicans that are labeled RINO's, they should actually wear that label proudly.

[Karenca]

19. "Bomb, the nearest village to dust....

the boys over there are going to be shooting first, talking later...the only good Muslim, is a dead Muslim...."

OMG.....Do 30% of Americans really like think like this?

Please tell me it's only those who post on that site :shrug: :shrug:

[Karenca]

20. "Every building, every animal, every person within 50 miles

of where they found our soldiers should be leveled or killed. To hell with playing nice."

8 posted on 06/20/2006 2:15:03 PM PDT by Bombard
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Oh shit.

[trixie]

21. They are sooo useless and bloodthirsty

We want the soldiers home, we know this whole thing is a sham. They won't realize they have been had and they want the soldiers to continue to be killed and use that insanity to kill civilians.

We want soldiers home and safe and begin the rebuilding of a country we have decimated.

They want more dead soldiers and to continue to kill more civilians.

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Who really support the troops? :shrug:

[datasuspect]

22. they sit there simmering in their own body secretions

the picture i have in my mind of your average freeper: 50-something white male; pattern baldness; lives with mom; has homosexual ideation, but hates himself for it; morbidly obese and suffers from one or more obesity-related diseases; collects SSI and disability, but will be the first one to spout off about "personal responsibility," "welfare queens," and the "welfare state;" has dried spittle in the corners of his mouth and a permanent herpes sore from that one time he was able to go to thailand to cruise the child prostitution scene; sits at computer with dialup and masturbates compulsively--gave up trying to clean the dried up semen years ago; has a perpetual oily sheen: hair, although bald on top has a deformed mullet, skin--pockmarked and oily, hands--permanent layer of moisturizer.

and so on.

[unpossibles]

32. I'm starting to think it is a physiological problem

I would not be surprised to find they have low amounts of a hormone called oxytocin - which helps establish bonds between humans, increases trust, and reduces fear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

[Karenina]

40. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Spew! Cough! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Can you WARN somebody to protect the keyboard before you let loose like that? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[elehhhhna]

23. Decimation. The Caesars used it to keep the (paid) military in line...

only when things got very extreme, of course.

They will soon advocate this treatment for Liberals, so quit laughing.

[zonmoy]

29. interesting that the ones that keep claiming that they are on the side of

so called good god and a so called good belief system keep on proving not only themselves but whatever god they worship to be pure evil.

[LostinVA]

31. My, how very.... SS of them....

[Rocknrule]

34. This is why I compare Republicans to the Columbine killers so often

"All you fags, libruls, and towelheads better hide in your homes because I'm coming for EVERYONE now, and I will be ARMED to the f**king TEETH, and I WILL F**KING KILL EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Only a matter of time before we hear this phrase on FreeRepublic or in one of Coulter's books.

[NMMNG]

35. Those people are scary

To: wastoute
I'm the mom of a 25 year old over there. Therefore, I may not be thinking clearly. I propose we bring all our boys and girls home and send over just one gay The Enola Gay, loaded to the hilt. Turn the God forsaken sand into one giant peice of plate glass. Gen. 19:13 Num. 21:3 1 Sam. 15: 3.

46 posted on 06/20/2006 4:08:59 PM PDT by cotton
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You might be a Republican if you've ever uttered the phrase, "Nuke the hell out of them". :scared:




And to think, people are afraid to let Iran have nuclear weapons???

[Toots]

36. The "Culture of Life" speaks out...

:shrug: At this stage do we expect less from them?

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. perchance a little history is in order

ROme tried that as well in the same area, and in the end it DID not work either.....

[Karenina]

39. THAT is EXACTLY what they are doing.

Quite efficiently, although I do believe every 3rd Iraqi walking today is dead in 5 years...

[GodlessBiker]

41. We have to kill them to save them.

It's unbelievable.

[Zhade]

44. Immorality (monstrousness) aside, IT WOULDN'T WORK.

The whole reason the rebels continue to fight is the collective punishment being practiced by U.S. soldiers.

The more innocents they kill, the more will rise up against them. They'll never win this battle. Ever.

Time to get out - but of course, most of the Senate disagrees, shamefully.