What is a libertarian secessionist?

[tsuki]

This editorial appeared in the right wing rag that services my county. I wish I could link to it, but it is only free to county residents. www.waltonsun.com (The editorial comes up in another window.)

The author describes himself as a "libertarian secessionist." Hence my question.

Oh woe unto Ms. Coulter for telling the truth

by Patrick Conrad

In her book, Coulter goes bare steel for the throat by accusing these widows of “reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis. I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much.”

Outrage has been shrieked like the tortured cries of professors losing their tenure. Ward Churchill, University of Colorado “professor” comes to mind, who now stands to lose his for plagiarism and decidedly unscholarly pursuits. The outrage against this Leftist, anti-American (sorry, redundant) academic was more muted, when he compared the same 9/11 attack victims to “little Eichmanns,” referring of course to Nazi power-boy Adolf Eichmann.
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(He then goes on to evicerate Rep. John Lewis, Patrick Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, Hugo Chavez and Matt Lauer.)

Ideological proclivity magically transforms Woodward and Berstein into Inspector Clouseau. I do wish that Coulter’s flamethrower style had not provided the media a distraction from such a vital message:

The Left is anti-American, and their liberal anti-religion is directly at odds with freedom. But Coulter correctly shows how this unholy assault is aided by “human shields” like the New Jersey Four, who are granted powers by the media grief merchants to speak out for any policy or candidate without criticism, because they lost have their husbands. And like all Leftists, American liberals are now outraged when met with force that equals their own rhetorical violence. The Left whose descriptive excesses helped to create the beautiful scorn of Ann Coulter now cries foul when they are a target.

BTW, he maintains a web site http://www.doctorsforfreedom.com/ I hope that posting it is not against the rules.

[The Magistrate]

1. Probably, Ma'am

A Republican who not only smokes marijuana but cannot get along with any of his neighbors....

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Couldn't have said it better myself, in fact I didn't. nt.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. A libertarian who wants to pay no taxes and still derive all the

benefits of infrastucture provided by the public sector? Just guessing. A brief google confirms my guess. These clowns would like to evict just their little bit of turf from the republic so that they can have right-libertarian bliss free of taxation etc. while us godless liberals would provide all of the usual statist shit around their bubble of true freedom. Then again we enjoy paying taxes, so why the fuck not?

[DBoon]

4. someone who completely isolates him/her self from the rest of humanity

you sometimes see these people at bus stops, holding animated conversations with imaginary partners.

[Retired AF Dem]

20. You were right once

bit hard to pick them out now with blue tooth and all.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. it means "asshole"

apparently.

[Union Thug]

6. YES! It does mean "asshole" - Greedy, self-centered, pompous..

arrogant ASSHOLE...as are most who identify themselves as Libertarian.

[chill_wind]

7. Ayn Rand arseholes still stuck in their college freshman days

Who could use a serious attitude adjustment -- along with major reality check. Looking at their "doctors" site, they apparantly advocate, among other things "cash only health care."

[DBoon]

21. College freshman?

I thought the average age of Ayn Randians was 14. When your biggest political issue was your parents' control over your allowance.

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[tsuki]

12. I know quite a few libertarians, and as you say, they are

thoughtful, intelligent and like a lively discussion. They do not fall back into the naming, defaming to win an argument. Lately, we've been agreeing on loss of privacy, run-away government, huge deficits, and the war.

In my discussions, I have never been called unAmerican, what's wrong with America, liberal, or asked why I hate America. They want to discuss issues.

Because the author of the editorial is so negative and hateful in all his column, I wondered if there was a difference between libertarians and libertarian seccessionists.

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[DBoon]

22. a lot of people call themselves "libertarians"

some are as you described, some are just RW jerks

[BlueIris]

9. A racist misogynist cultural illeterate with entitlement mentality.

In my experience, anyway. And yes, before anyone flames, I have met a lot of Libertarians. I even share living space with one. I happen to have read their entire Party platform as well, (no, I never considered joining their ranks) and think there are a few things about their opinions on government which are valid. But the bulk of all registered Libertarians I've met operate via seriously flawed personalities (and "logic" systems).

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[BlueIris]

11. If you may bait me, you mean? Sorry, kid. I'm not that easy.

And I don't think this is the board for you, but good luck around here anyway.

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[benEzra]

23. Most libertarians aren't Libertarians...

there's a big difference between a libertarian in the general sense, which I would describe as a person who takes a high view of individual civil liberties (which is a very progressive, Enlightenment view), and a person who subscribes to every tenet of the Libertarian party platform.

I consider myself a libertarian, but I am not a Libertarian.

[nealmhughes]

15. I have no earthly idea.

Is it in Idaho or Montana?

It would seem like a sort of idea where you could "get rich" without paying minimum wage, die alone if you weren't smart enough to provide for your own contracted medical care, not pay taxes and probably though I'm not quite clear, not have to educate your kids. Smoke pot and shoot heroin (the market will control any social problems resulting) with all the above.

Apologies to any dyed in the wool Libertarians, but I don't cotton much to Ayn.

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[U4ikLefty]

17. LOL...I was waiting for that. Buh-bye!!!

[RoyGBiv]

18. Google "Thomas Dilorenzo"

He and his ideaological allies are libertarians who are nominally secessionists, although I doubt he'd call himself that, the secessionist part that is. He and others like him, however, make a lot of hay over the issue of the constitutionality of secession, and they do so from a libertarian point of view. DiLorenzo is an economist who thinks he's an expert on Lincoln, and tends to blather on from that perspective.

The short answer is that it's someone who wants the federal goverment to work under a framework much like what existed under the Articles of Confederation, although they'd call it "original intent" or anti-Federalist. And, they believe unilateral secession is a Constitutionally sound principle.

The term comes mostly from people who follow the writings and ideology of people like DiLorenzo, if not him specifically. (There are a lot of names I could give you if you're really interested.) There's a lot of overlap among varied groups and no true coherent center. Christian identity, radical liberatarianism, neo-secessionists and neo-Confederates (which are not necessarily the same thing, btw), the League of the South, etc. all include advocates who would, depending on the context, define themselves as libertarian secessionists.

Suffice to say I've had a lot of encounters with these people over the years.

[tsuki]

19. Thanks, I shall.

[salin]

24. wasn't there a movement of rw libertarians who wanted to move enough

people into a state to outnumber its original population and to then try to secede and be there own country?

[Sailor for Warner]

25. Its called the "Free State Project"

And it was to New Hampshire. Libertarians are still moving into a state with strong Libertarian sympathies and moving it more and more into their realm.

[salin]

27. Thanks...

couldn't remember where. My recollection was that at least at first the movement wasn't very welcome... a little bit of resistance/resentment about outsiders moving to the area with the explicit intention of taking it over from those who have lived there for generations.

[ContraBass Black]

26. The words suggest a libertarian advocating succession.

As in, an anti-government regulation/restriction person who wants to take his or her land and separate from the United States.