A challenge to the no difference crowd

[dsc]

Watch the Frontline documentary on Aids and then come back and tell us there is no difference.

Here is the link:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/

The AIDS documentary is in the upper left corner.

The contrast couldn't be more striking.

12 years of silence and neglect by Republicans followed by 8 years of an honest attempt to deal with AIDS, followed by 5 years of Bush's pandering to the anti science crowd. You can't get more important than a disease which has infected 70 million people. You can't find a more striking contrast. Go ahead, watch, and then come back and tell me there is no difference.

[Pushed To The Left]

1. There is a difference. A BIG difference!

I think some people get frustrated when Democrats take more conservative postions. It upsets me too! But I can still see that the Democratic Party is far ahead of the Republican Party when it comes to progressivism.

[zalinda]

2. You will never convince the no difference crowd

These are the people who supported Nader, or someone like him. These are the ones who are quick to tear down a dem, even before knowing the whole story. These are the ones who will tear down a dem if they don't vote the way THEY want them to vote. You see, to these people everything is black or white, there are no shades of gray. They destroy the dem party as much as or more than the repubs. They don't believe you change the party from the inside, and that it takes time. They want to vote third party and never have the dems in power again. They are as much trolls as any repub on this board. They are OUR "religious right", who want the party to be THEIRS and no one else's opinions matter.

zalinda

[acmejack]

4. My, you certainly seem to have 'Them" pegged!

To what do you attribute your exceptional breadth of expertise upon other people's motivations for voting for someone of whom you didn't approve? Since we will never change them, perhaps they should be identified and purged? Everyone who supported Nader is as bad as a republicon? Before you feel compelled to direct your ire at me, I hasten to state for the record I voted for Gore.

I am forced to admit that I am guilty of behaviors attributed by you to people who "are as much trolls as any repub on this board", of course I want the Democrats to vote the way I would like on any given issue. Of course I am disappointed if they fail to do so and support the monied interests instead of the people who sent them there. You say one is wrong to castigate them for failing to represent their constituents interests, I say it is only proper that they be taken to task for such a failure.

I suggest the remainder of what you have to say is simply baseless inflammatory rhetoric, but it has a nasty quality to it that would make those republicons you keep referencing quite proud.

[zalinda]

5. Well, if you see yourself in what I said then I guess

I've struck a nerve. If the dem keeps getting in, then I guess he is doing what his constituents want. If he isn't, someone will step in and take his place, just as what is taking place in CT.

I do not think there is any value in only saying something to someone when they have done something wrong. The dems stood up yesterday, but how many on this board called and said thank you. Many on this board only seem to tear the dems down, how would you like me to react. If I say nothing, I am weak (as are our dem politicians) or if I say something then I am directing ire (which, of course, makes me irrelevant).

For the dems to take power, we must pull together, to continually pull the dem politicians down is neither worthy of dems or productive.

As for the monied interests, how do you think they get the money to campaign to get into office. When the dems are in power, we can push for real campaign finance. Until then, they have to go where the money is, and as long as the repubs are in power, it certainly won't be us little guys who have it.

zalinda

[acmejack]

6. So when they sell themselves out on the bankruptcy bill

it's fine with you? IWR, peachy keen? Do we really need to run down the roll call of dishonor, I can tell you are a person of intelligence, I am sure you are well acquainted with Thomas.gov. This is a DISCUSSION BOARD we come here to discuss, to chide the members for coming here and exercising their rights in this community is somewhat ridiculous is my point. Many, if not most, of us work very hard on electing these same people to office, so your rants damning us are somewhat off target.

Perhaps you might consider that. I suggest you have little right to damn any with who fail to genuflect to all the elected Democrats sufficiently to please you. I work tirelessly to replace the corporatists, their interests are not mine and I seriously doubt they are yours.

[Terran1212]

3. There is a difference, but you have to know where there's some and none

The pro-corporate parties, prowar parties.

They're the same on those.