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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 07:44 PM
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Christians must NOT support this Gay Marriage Ban! Heed well this warning!
I am a professed Christian, unashamed and willing to defend my position against anyone. I was not born a Christian, Christ was a revelation. Once realized, Christianity became a reality in my life. It became stronger than any philosophy I have ever come across and more substantial than any other point of view I've held. I believe that the guiding force behind Christianity is the concept that God is not some vengeful force of nature hell-bent on collecting mindless souls. This is not God and do not believe anyone who tries to convince you of this. God is Love, plain and simple. Often times, he is so simple, he's almost impossible to describe. In a way, He's like the color blue. If you can see, you say, "It's blue." But if you were born without sight, "It's blue" is meaningless.

Also I'm not a homosexual. It's not because I would be ashamed to be one, it's just I don't have those urges. But the more I think about homosexual marriage, I am coming more and more to the conclusion that not only is homosexuality not a personal choice, marriage between homosexual people is a spiritual imperative. If homosexuality was merely a loveless sex act aimed at relieving carnal urges, I would have a big problem defending the marriage of two people of the same sex. However, Marriage has absolutely nothing to do with sex; though sex can be a very important part of marriage. Marriage is the joining of two souls who proclaim their Love and ask God to be bound in Holy Matrimony. In this ceremony, the Priest, Preacher, Imam, or whoever has taken it upon themselves to lead others to God, offers up two souls and asks the Lord Almighty for his blessing and his help in seeing that they keep their most solemn of vows. Yet, today in America, we have Men who think that they can take this decision out of God's hands and through some legal writ, deny God his rightful place as the Lord of all heaven and Earth.

Do you know something, God does not let things that do not please him flourish for very long. True, evil has survived and flourished for a while but the course of history has proved that Good always conquers evil. The reason this is so, is simple. Good adds, evil subtracts. Good things build, evil things destroy. Evil is a parasite on Good; ever feeding yet destined for death if the host dies. Evil may prevail for a time but let me assure you, Evil is not stupid. Evil lusts for life just as much as Man, even more so actually. Evil seeks to be able to live outside the boundaries of Good, yet it can't and it never will. If evil were to prevail, all things would die and all life would extinguish. The wickedness evil strives so hard to foster would cease and with nothing left to destroy, it would cease to hold any meaning. Evil would die and God would rebuild.

Yet Homosexuality is not evil. It is not immoral and it is not a sin. The Devil cannot work his work through Love. A house divided cannot stand. Furthermore, you cannot commit an accidental sin. Sure, you can accidentally shoot someone in the face but in absence of malice, there is no sin. God will forgive you as so will the laws of Man. For Homosexuals to commit a sin, they would have to knowingly and willfully be in violation of God's law. They would have to forsake Love, for God is Love, and do evil in the face of God. Yet, how can one look at a couple and judge the existence of Love? How can one measure the level of Love they share or the depth of commitment? If you look at our current divorce rate, if we be the judges then one must question our wisdom.

Marriage is one soul joining with another soul through the power of Love and the Grace of God. The Bible said that Woman was created for that purpose but it did not say that was the exclusive right of a female human. The truth is, we do not know if God is opposed to Gay Marriage. We do not have the slightest idea if this is his will. If God blesses a union of two souls, they will flourish because God makes everything grow. If a Slave of God offers up these two souls and God rejects them, then they will not be bound and they will fail. This is the Will of God. The role of Man is not to make decisions for the Lord, it is to follow the Will of the Almighty God or suffer the consequences (and it will be worse for those who say, "Yes, sir" but do not go out into the field to work). Our job is to do what Love instructs us to do, we must try to emulate love, to follow Love and ultimately become Love for all eternity.

So what is God? God is Love. What is Love? Ask Paul...

If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal. And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, love is not pompous, it is not inflated, it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury, it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
For we know partially and we prophesy partially, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things. At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.
So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

In the Book of James we are told, "Every good thing bestowed and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of Lights with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow." If we offer up two souls and we hold the Grace of God in our hearts, will he damn us for our offering? If the blessings truly come from Heaven and we act to deny these, are we not committing a sin? If we Love someone that the world does not approve of, would God not still punish us for turning away from Love because we were afraid of what Man might think? To Love God with all your heart and soul and to love your neighbor as you would yourself is our highest Commandment, and yet some are saying, "Deny God his due for we do not find this Love pleasing and scorn those who we do not approve of!"

In the Song of Solomon it says, "Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like a blazing fire, like a mighty flame. Many waters cannot quench love; rivers cannot wash it away. If one were to give all the wealth of his house for love, it would be utterly scorned." Can this be a clearer warning? If you cast out Love for Politics, what will God do to us? Who are we to define what the Lord made? Who are we to say, "This is the Will of the Lord?" Only God has such a right.

In Ecclesiastes it is written, "Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their toil. For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow; but woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up. Again, if two lie together, they are warm; but how can one be warm alone? And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him." Yet, you are saying that in some cases One is better than two because their good return is pleasing to Man. Still others are saying, some should act against nature, defy the call of the soul or live alone, unsafe, weaker, and cold without Love. Only a demon from hell would say such things, only a demon.

What the hell are these people thinking? If a person does not Love a person of the opposite sex, then who are we to tell them they cannot Love a soul whose body is of the same sex? Who are we? Were we given the right to deny Love? Are we God? Did Man create God in his image? Woe to the fool that believes that. Man cannot create, we can only manipulate and discover. Only God has the power to create. Man can only make dead things that perish in time and to worship that thing that is dead is an affront to our most heavenly Father. If you attempt to create a God, you bring the harshest punishment God can devise, an eternity without his Love.

I warn you, do not do this thing. Do not pass this Amendment and bring this accursed thought devised by greedy men into being. They seek to glorify themselves and take the rights of God into their hands by denying his Will. God is testing us by offering up Love in a view we do not find pleasing and saying, "Will you deny me now? Will you turn your back on Love as your ancestors did when I walked among you?" God walked the earth as Love and our ancestors nailed him to a cross. Do you want to be the one to pound the hammer or hoist the load this time? Render unto Caesar what is Caesar but Love is God's right and God's rule, not a political pawn to be used by Man. I will have no part of this nor will I ever willfully remain silent in the face of such blaspheme.

Shame on these wicked Politicians and shame on those who claim to hold the Love of Christ in their hearts and allow their tongues to serve Satan. Repent you wicked sinners for you know not the place nor the hour but when he comes you risk eternal damnation! I will kneel at the feet of my Lord and say, "Lord, Lord, though I may have been wrong I tried to increase your lot." Will you stand there and say, "Lord, Lord, I buried your coin so that it might not be lost." Fools, blind stupid fools. Don't you know that God is real? Don't you read the words of the Lord? You have eyes but do not see, ears but do not listen. Oh Lord, forgive them, forgive these foolish blind souls. Your will be done.

For all those who have no idea what I'm talking about, this is a secular version of the same argument:
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

-- William Shakespeare
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 07:56 PM
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1. Mikelewis...this is the best explanation I have seen...
Isn't there something about, "Beware of False Phropets"!!! these so called Neocon false Christians will bring all of those who follow them...down with them...


This is true...
<snip>
The Devil cannot work his work through Love.
<snip>

I am saving this...
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:07 PM
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2. Can Atheist Homos Marry?
Must there be a proclamation to a deity? Must the union be holy?

Thank you very much for your words of support, but a "holy" union is the furthest thing from my mind. We just want to be treated equally. All we want are the legal rights, privileges, responsibilities and protections that are afforded to other married couples?

In the meantime... I hope that those who think as you do and who believe as you do will reflect on your words and hopefully examine their own feelings and that which they use to justify their bigotry and hatred.


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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:40 PM
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13. 2 points...
To marry, yes the union must be Holy. The term marriage comes from the concept of Holy Matrimony. However, what you're seeking is not marriage. What you seek is a legal contract between the state and two agreeable parties. It is a Civil Union not a Marriage. I wholeheartedly support civil unions and think that truly, the state has no place whatsoever in making any decisions on marriage.

But you must understand, a civil union is a man-made pact not a Holy Union. It is not the State that brings the Love into the Relationship nor is it the State that maintains that Love. It comes from a different source entirely. The state can only define what people can or can't do within their Law. The Universe has it's own set of Laws that all must follow, whether they believe in them or not. Gravity is self-evident in this case. It is an unseen force that compels groups of electrons, protons and nuetrons towards other groups of atoms. Is Love any different? If two people who do not believe in God but believe that the power of Love can unite them for thier lifetimes, then yes, Atheist Homos can marry. I doubt there'd be many "Slaves of God" who would present your union to the Lord but if they won't, I would. I am not a pastor, minister or Preist and I have no authority vested in me by any state but I'd still do it, even if it damned us both to hell.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 11:01 PM
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14. That's Oversimplifying...
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 11:42 PM by arwalden
<< What you seek is a legal contract between the state and two agreeable parties. It is a Civil Union not a Marriage. >>

... and little more than splitting hairs. Fact is, being "married" is what it's called by the states. It is a legal term. Regardless of whether the married people are atheists or religious... by in large, as far as the state is concerned it's all the same, marriage is marriage. That's just how the term is used.

Heterosexual atheists can be legally *married* ... only for them (and perhaps others) the condition of being legally married is likely to have NOT ONE iota of "holiness" about it.

You'd have a difficult time trying to convince me that heterosexual atheists (who are *legally* married) are any "less married" than heterosexual theists who had a church ceremony.

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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 01:09 AM
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18. But that's not the options on the table at present...
Currently, the U.S. government sees the definition of a bit differently. They are using people's fear and faith to focus solely on the religious aspect of marriage. Unfortunately, you're views on marriage are irrelevant at this moment in time. I'm trying to help make them relevant, do you want to help or do you want to be right? What I've written is not perfect, you can pick it apart all day long if you like however, that's not the point of this post. The point of this post is to show that not only is homosexuality not offensive religiously, it should be respected by people of faith. If you don't agree with that message or the manner in which I deliver it then that's your right. I mean you no ill will and did not mean to offend you. That was not my intent.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:47 AM
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19. You Did Not Offend Me...
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 08:48 AM by arwalden
... I'm just pointing out that "marriage-lite" is not a fair compromise, and that religious institutions do not have a monopoly on what constitutes "marriage", and that people can have a legitimate, legal and valid marriages without having it intertwined with religious dogma.

<< Unfortunately, you're views on marriage are irrelevant at this moment in time. >>

I assume you mean that my views are 'irrelevant' in the eyes of the law. Perhaps, but that does not mean that I have to accept it when believers attempt to define marriage as being ONLY a spiritual and religious institution. That's simply not the case.

<< do you want to help or do you want to be right? >>

You ask that as if you think that these two things are incompatible.

I think your overall message is one to be admired, but I do not think it helps matters to characterize marriage (in all forms) as being the exclusive domain of the church.

Your efforts to try and soften the hearts of the faithful seem to also validate and strengthen their sense of exclusive ownership and control over marriage.

<< What I've written is not perfect, you can pick it apart all day long if you like however, that's not the point of this post. >>

Yes I understand the point of your post and I've acknowledged that as well. I'd hope you'd be able to see that the point of my reply/ies is more that just my "wanting to be right".

<< I mean you no ill will and did not mean to offend you. That was not my intent. >>

I know that. You did not offend.

On this specific point, I think it's a mistake to ignore the fact that in the legal sense, a marriage (as well as the word "marriage") do not exclusively belong to religious institutions.

I also think it's a mistake to continually reinforce the beliefs of many religious leaders that they have sole and complete "ownership" of the the institution of marriage (as well as the word "marriage" and the legal rights/protections that accompany it).

It's unfair to ask a couple to pay homage to the church's beliefs (or to accept the religious definition of marriage) just so that the couple can have the legal protections/privileges of being married.

It's equally unfair to suggest that married couples who do not have a "holy union" have a marriage that is less-valid, or less meaningful than those who do. It's wrong to suggest that those people only have--or should only be allowed to have--a "civil union".

I'm not willing to concede "marriage" to be the exclusive property of the church. Separate is not equal.

Thanks, again, for your support.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:10 PM
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3. Nice apologia
Too bad the entire history of the Christian church is not about "love" or a god of "love".

I'm glad your Christianity has brought you into progessive social thought; but to me, personally, the next step is to transcend religion altogether.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:14 PM
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6. I'd like to add
That it was well written and appreciated, though.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:19 PM
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7. I am not trying to convert you or even include you in the arguement.
This arguement was not for anyone but Christians who are attacking Gays. It's irrelevant to me what your views on God are or where your sexual preference lies. The last verse was for you, if you enjoyed it, great but the purpose of this post was not to debate the history of the Church. And FYI, it was my Progressive social thought that brought me to Christianity, not the other way around. This post was to help Christians avoid sin not to aggravate others who do not believe what I believe.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:21 PM
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8. Great.
I hope it affects Christians positively.

I. Just. Don't. Get. It.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:33 AM
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24. the entire history of christianity sure as hell isn't about "good"
either. the church, throughout its history has done much evil shit and continues to do so. and spare me the "well, they're not REAL christians" jive.

yes they are.

they claim it, they own it, and they worship in christian churches. bush IS a christian. like it or not. jerry falwell IS a christian. like it or not. fundamentalist LUNATICS are christians.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:12 PM
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4. I've only met two Christians
The others who professed to follow his teachings were not christians at all. they are simply hateful lunatics. They have taken over the churches, for the most part. And the ones that remain unaffected by the fundies are silent....silent.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:28 PM
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9. My church is full of liberals. But then, we're the ELCA
aka the "liberal" Lutherans. Even so, I live in the middle of Sensenbrenner's district, so I'm still pleased.

There are a couple of problems re: silent Christians. Having discussions and forums and such don't get you in the news. Having Sen. Frist at your gathering gets you in the news. Being a televangelist who says crazy things gets you in the news. Trying to cram your views down someone's throat gets you in the news.

How's a sane person who doesn't believe in mixing poltics with religion supposed to get in the news?

In other words, maybe they're not so silent. It's just that when they make their proclamations, no one covers them.

Maybe the buddists during the Vietnam War had the right idea. But I'm not in any hurry to make myself all crispy.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 11:31 PM
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16. We're loud in our own ways.
There are progressive evangelicals, fundies, Catholics, and all manners of Christians working hard to turn the faith in a better direction. We're doing it through the faith community, and it's not exactly big news, so it just seems like we're not doing or saying anything.

For example, my church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, is guardedly pro-choice. Do you hear about us on the news or know that we are? Nope. It's who we are, though, even though there are some within our Church who are rabidly anti-choice and trying to get us to go that way. We don't get the coverage the Catholic Church does, and we don't have one spokesman who gets airtime anytime he wants. It doesn't mean that we're not working quietly to help people, though.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:14 PM
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5. Thanks for this excellent, thoughtful post. nt
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Strathos Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:31 PM
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10. Beautiful!
You are a Christ-ian. I've called these people who perpetuate hate "X-tians" because they've forgotten about the Christ in Christian.

I hope you share your words with your church. A church that would accept something like that could take it upon themselves to turn other churches around and show them the light.

Thank you!
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ellie_belly Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:10 AM
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22. Actually, I call myself a
Buddhist and a Jesus-ist, for lack of a better term, as I believe in the philosophies of the Buddha and the radical teachings of Jesus. Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus. Period.
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Strathos Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:12 AM
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26. Cool! I'll have to look into that
A peaceful life is always rewarding.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:20 AM
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27. Hi ellie_belly!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 09:05 PM
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11. excellent post
thank you
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 09:49 PM
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12. Amen!
Well said... kicked and recommended.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 11:25 PM
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15. Amen and amen.
I can't for the life of me understand why anyone who truly believes in the saving power of Christ and the beauty of God's love would be against GLBT marriage or civil rights in general. I just can't.

Oh, I know them, but I don't understand them. I went to an evangelical college, a hellish place for my gay and lesbian friends (transgendered and bisexuals were run out or never accepted that I know of). It was hell on earth for them, and how anyone who saw that could condone that with a straight face and believe it to be God's work just shocks and frightens me. The crap my friends went through made my blood boil then and still does.

I always ask them what the two greatest commandments are. They get all caught up in some weird verse by St. Paul or some law in the Torah no one follows anymore, but they forget the most important words of our shared Savior--the Schma and to love our neighbors as ourselves. He explained who our neighbors are by telling the parable of the Good Samaritan, but today, I think He'd use an HIV+ gay married couple with kids.

Good people are good people, period. All people are gifts from God, even the ones who lose their path and become evil (like the Bush administration, neocons, many Republicans, and way too many Christians). We are all neighbors to one another, and we should help our neighbors and defend them from this attack.
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 12:36 AM
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17. If god can forgive me then
I can forgive Gays.

I do not mean to be condescending to gays; but rather to accept them as equals.

All have sinned and fallen short.

My favorite sin is hubris.

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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:51 AM
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20. Beautiful post
:grouphug:
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:53 AM
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21. What a wonderful post...
Homosexuality is simply just a natural expression of human existence. For the church to try to put this out is a crime against humanity.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:25 AM
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23. Your heart is in the right place...
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 09:25 AM by SidDithers
but a marriage without god's blessing is just as valid as a marriage with god's blessing.

I hope Christians can accept the spirit of your post. Us non-theists will just thank you for your good intentions, and leave it at that.

Sid
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:53 AM
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25. fascinating....I am going to print this and give it to fundies...
who will be protesting out front of PrideFest in Milwaukee this weekend

This is as good of Christian theological reasoning as any...

Well Done.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:54 PM
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28. You must be...
One of those liberal Christians I've been hearing so much about... Pleased to make your acquaintance. Well spoken, BTW.
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