I don't believe we will invade Iran

[Poiuyt]

I have no facts, I'm just going by my gut feeling. I think that Bush is just blustering and saber rattling to show how tough he is, but at some point, even he will have to look at reality. Our military is stretched so thin that fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq is very hard for us to do. Our troops are tired and need rest. And Iran is a much larger country than Iraq and has a much better military. I think that all Bush's advisers (except maybe Cheney and Rumsfeld) are telling him that we can't start another war just for fun.

But I think the biggest reason that Bush won't invade is because the mood of the country is different now than in 2002-03. Back then, much of America was still angry about the 9/11 attacks. We wanted to act like John Wayne and go kick the shit out of someone (didn't matter who). Bush recognized this and used the opportunity to fulfill his lifelong dream of becoming a "war president," and picked Iraq for who knows why. Today, the American people are sick of war. We are tired of seeing our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friends and co-workers being blown up, and perhaps worse, being turned into animals who massacre innocent women and children.

I truly believe that Bush and Cheney are fucking nuts and don't care what the rest of the world thinks. But I just have to believe that they can also see some reality. I also don't think Bush wants his legacy to show him as nothing more than a failed Napoleonic war monger.

Here's hoping I'm right

[agincourt]

1. Russia will resupply Iran,

if we unilaterally attack. Occupation is not assured if we attack, the war could get out of hand.
The American people have no say so about the war though. What would we do? Have a demonstration that no one would know about? Vote in a rigged election against the Republicans? Read more books? We don't have any say, Russia and China do however.

[Blackthorn]

2. Nice sentiments...

"Bush recognized this and used the opportunity to fulfill his lifelong dream of becoming a "war president," and picked Iraq for who knows why."

Completely misguided. Iraq was on the books from Day One, and I'm talking Day One of his occupation of the WH, not just 9/12. Iraq is Phase One of PNAC's great plan to control the worlds dwindling supply of oil in order to maintain American superiority as a superpower. I think there's more to it than this, but this is not the place.

At any rate, Iran is next on the list and NOTHING will stop them. Bush will get the next pResident (who seriously thinks the American people will choose the winner, regardless of who it is?) into Iran and that pResident will have no choice but to continue. It's just keeping us all on our toes until 2012.

I guess it does help to be positive though. Sorry.

[Poiuyt]

11. Bush even talked about invading Iraq before he became president

He talked about it with his biographer in 1999, how it would help him have a successful presidency. To answer your point, I've heard some people say he invaded Iraq for the oil, some say for geo-political power, some say for domestic political capital, some say as revenge on Saddam for trying to assassinate his father.

BTW, I equate bombing a country with invading it, even though that might not be correct in the strict sense. And I think that bombing Iran would have a devastating effect on the world. I think Bush's advisers would be able to make him see that.

Now the only thing we need to worry about is if Bush has a Biblical type vision of the Apocalypse, a la David Koresch (not so far-fetched an idea).

[shadowknows69]

3. I hope you're right too but

this is what soldiers are telling me <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1350169&mesg_id=1350169>

[cliss]

4. I agree.

I think Bush would LOVE to not only drop bombs on Iran, but march in there and "take" the country.

But he doesn't have enough troops. He certainly doesn't have the international support for it. Probably not very much support in Washington for it.

And really, if they wanted to bomb Iran, they would have done it by now.

Instead, they are rattling the saber and making threatening noises. Look what's happening: over at Yahoo news, the report is that Oil is jumping up to $73 dollars per barrel over fears that Iran is going to cut back on production.

They can't bomb Iran. There are too many consequences.

For now, they're going to have to watch their ship sink, and their precious Crown Jewel slip away from them.

[Telly Savalas]

10. The sabre-rattling is nowhere near intense as it was for Iraq.

The White House may talk a little shit about Iran to deflect attention from its failures on other fronts, but it's not a wholesale attempt at selling a war like they did with Iraq.

And good point about how they would have done it by now if they were to do anything. What are they supposedly waiting for?

[xthetylerx]

5. Yeah, hope so too

With his course of actions and beliefs, nothing would suprise me.

[newyawker99]

16. Hi xthetylerx!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Swamp Rat]

6. I hope Bushler will be impeached before another war is even possible...

... or the entire U.S. military refuses to follow the insane PNAC plan, because if Bushler nukes Iran, we're all done for.



edit: And you stupid, inbred wingnuts too, including every one you know in your tiny world.

[ninkasi]

12. I can't even guess what a sociopath like Bush will do

but all I know is that for his abandonment of New Orleans and much of the coast during and after Katrina, I would never trust him again. Even if I had been a Bush supporter until then (I wasn't, I've been here since 2001) the tragedy he allowed to fester and explode while Americans died with TV cameras on them would make me hate him, and the whole administration.

It's quite obvious that he doesn't give a shit about our lives, much less the lives of Muslims in far away places. He is pure, 100% evil. Our country can't hope to even attempt to heal itself until he and his thugs are out of office, and the power has shifted to us Dems. Even then, since we've learned how weak some of them are, we will have to be constantly vigilant, making sure we aren't screwed over more than we have been already.

Any president, or leader, who allows a major city to die, is not fit to be leader. If he does this to Americans, what will he do to other countries?

[heartofthesiskiyou]

7. agree on invade

bombing them will do. Nothing to do with nukes tho. Gota do something to rally the sheepl around something before Nov. (or shrub is toast) with the added beifit of rasing the price oil.

[MazeRat7]

8. I think you're pretty much on target. The timing is all wrong for them.

[Orangepeel]

9. they won't invade. just bomb. (n/t)

[savemefromdumbya]

13. Who's 'WE' Cheney is going to do it single-handed!

[pinto]

14. I agree. And I hope you're right.

[upi402]

15. hoping with ya!

:toast:

[madokie]

17. I hope you are right but something tells me bush* is not the one making

the decision concerning Iran. Actually I don't think he makes any of the decision for this cabal. He said he was the decider but we all know how he can't tell the truth for tripping over it. Something also tells me that a war with Iran is only a matter of time away, a short time.
peace.

[Philosoraptor]

18. But we will likely bomb them.

Perhaps with Israel's cooperation.

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. Some beleive that we will nuke them THIS WEDNESDAY

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=895089

[newportdadde]

20. I think it was on the table but Iraq didn't play out right.

If you go by PNAC or more so just by the simple logic that as oil begins to run out countries will go to war in order to secure what is left of the supply then attacking Iraq was inevitable, in the same sense attacking Iran will eventually be inevitable.

Countries have gone to war over resources since the beginning of time, nothing new here. The two biggies coming up are oil and fresh water. You can try to install a government that will give you the oil and be your pal - ie Saudi Arabia(or at one time Iraq - see Rummy or before that the Shah of Iran) or you can take over the country by force.

The tough part of going after either country is how to generate public support for the action. 9/11 provided the fuel needed for that fire, with some mushroom cloud fear mongering and carefully chosen word association TPTB created a nice 9/11 = Saddam parallel that up to 70% of the country believed. Iraq was also a nice choice because at least in the traditional sense of war it was extremely weak and vulnerable and unable to mount much of a defense at all.

Iraq had it all, weak defense, oil resources, nice convenient boogy man and most importantly once taken over a very tactical and convenient method of dispatching air power across the middle east.

The obvious next target is Iran, if oil resources continue to tighten(and they will) we will go against them eventually. Consequently Iran probably is interested in nukes, logically if your Iran would you not want them? Their other option is to form ties with Russia and China(which they are doing) for protection.

The problem that Bush underestimated is the infighting in Iraq. I do not believe that was planned on or that it would continue as long as it had. The only way to get out of it is to leave but we will not do that, I don't believe any President from either side will be willing to do that, the US and its corporations are putting massive amounts of money into Iraq we are there to stay for the long haul or at least until the easily extractable oil is gone.

Bush currently has very little clout for a move against Iran, the only thing that could help him would be another terrorist attack that could be associated with Iran, perhaps a dirty nuke or something.

The TPTB definitely knows how long we have before Iran goes nuclear. So there is a timetable somewhere. The US if it wants to secure those oil resources will need to move in some fashion prior to the event of Iran going nuclear. If that timetable is 10 years then they have time, they will wait out for another RW president to come into power and by their time for the opportunity to present itself.

If I was the one calling the shots for the RW here is how I would do it.

1) Put up a sacrificial lamb.. like Bob Dole back in 96 to loose, I would use McCain.
2) Allow The Democratic President and more then likely Congress to eat a nasty recession, let them eat the ARM housing market, kick up that interest rate and let it all get nasty. Baby boomer's nearing retirement and now voting big time scream bloody murder as 401ks etc get pummeled. Get em nice mailable.
3) Get a RW president back in charge in 2012, I'd use Jeb. Wait one year and beat the war drum, 7.50 gas would help. Go into Iran before they go nuclear.

[Chomp]

21. I agree with the OP

A lot of people on DU have been very naive (politically) in their reading of the Iran situation.