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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 07:57 PM
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OFFICIAL TRUTHOUT/LEOPOLD THREAD 19
From Skinner:

We are instructing the moderators to lock all threads about Jason Leopold and his Rove indictment story. If you wish to continue discussing this issue, you may do so here.

When this thread reaches approximately 100 replies, the moderators will lock it and open a new one.

Thank you for your understanding.

Skinner
DU Admin

Thread 18 is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1239598&mesg_id=1239598
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 07:58 PM
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1. Still Standing With You Guys Will and Jason!
But my legs are startin to get a bit tired, ya know?

Update please :)
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. I don't agree with you
But I have to salute you.:toast:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
20. I'm Just Waitin It Out Until We Definitely Know What Happened.
I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt and they've never given me reason to not trust them. At some point it either has to be known that the delay was legitimate for real reasons or whether they were duped somehow from the start. When we know one way or the other, I will either sit the fuck down or cheer with a beer!

:toast:
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. They have now!
And you still insist that the only possible results are that Leopold was right or that Leopold was duped? You won't even consider the possibility that a "journalist" who has admitted duping people before, might just have done it again?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:13 PM
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #36
55. Which way what turns out?
The 24 hours? - WRONG
Within the next week? - WRONG

In fact the only thing that has not be definitively proved wrong about that article is the idea of an indictment. Of course if there is NO indictment you will never PROVE it, huh? I mean it could be sealed forever, right? So how long are you gonna wait?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #26
105. Do You Mind Pointing Out Where I Ever Insisted Such Things?
Cause I never have. In fact, even my post you responded to contradicts such false notions.

:hi:
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. Ummm no...
See the post I responded to said this:

At some point it either has to be known that the delay was legitimate for real reasons or whether they were duped somehow from the start.

See, I read that as an either/or proposition, probably because you said "either" and "or". No where in there is there any mention of the third, and perhaps even likely explanation that Leopold just made shit up. Unless you are not including Leopold in "they", which would be wrong seeing as he is a TO staff writer.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #108
115. Because The Notion That He Made It All Up Carries No Validity In Reality.
So no, I wouldn't recognize that as an option.

Either the story is true and is not yet public for a reason yet to be known, or the story was written based on a trusted source that turned out to be deceitful. I'm still believing in the former, but time will tell if truly was the latter.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. OMC, you might be the only one left.
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:03 PM by Marie26
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
15. Many of us are waiting to see what happens instead of celebrating
the death of _________ (fill in the blank)(Will, Jason, Truthout, and whatever else).

BTW, I'm not saying you are celebrating anything. I haven't read these threads closely enough to know. They are making me physically ill. It's as bad as listening to my 8th graders tell stories about what they did to some animal. I'll not go into details...
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. It's not celebration...
its vindication.

Signed,

The Cretins
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:09 PM
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Vindication for what?
Care to explain?
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:10 PM
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28. Oh I dunno...
being called cretins and freepers for doubting a story, only to have the story turn out to be wrong?

Could that be it?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. I don't know. That's why I asked. Thanks for taking the time to
answer.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
42. Maybe this link will help
seeing as this is history that is not allowed to be posted here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/15/33446/1501

And that is only a small taste.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. this whole thing has ticked me off
and karmakaze, you got remember, MOST people have not had a chance to keep up with the thousands of comments on this subject, it was OBVIOUS she was simply asking you to elaborate why you were upset, not doubting why you were upset...



EVERYONE WHO'S POSTED MORE THAN 10 POSTS ON THIS NEEDS TO TAKE A DAY OFF!

so many crazy responses...

this is my 3rd and final post on this for the WEEK.

insanity is setting in on responses it seems (not the people, the responses, don't misread)
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #51
66. Not obvious at all!
She claimed people were celebrating. I said not celebration but vindication. She said 'for what?' I told her why. She said she did not know, so I posted a link.

The point is, if she did not know what was going on, why make an assertion first, rather than ask a question? She did not ask WHY people were celebrating she said the that people were and it made her sick.

It's not my fault if she doesnt know what she is talking about :shrug:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #42
65. saw that a long time ago
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Oh you've seen it?
So why are you surprised at the reaction then?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. Well, was it directed at you?
If it was I guess I'd be pissed, too. If it wasn't, why get your panties in a wad? (That's got to be a southern expression, but it's what came to me first.)
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. Well, is the reaction to it directed at you?
or at least was it before you came here saying we were making you physically sick and reminded you of 8 year olds talking about hurting animals?

Hmm?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #75
83. You're right! It isn't directed at me.
Damn! I'm unaffected after all. :bounce:

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

This is just a message board. I'm sure none of this will affect how people work together in the future. How could I be so naive?
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. Well, if I remember right...
The people you are saying are making you sick were the ones saying that LAST WEEKEND. They were ignored by many, called names, and fed even more bullshit by TO.

No one THERE seemed worried about what this would do.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:22 PM
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #59
71. Oh so people arent allowed to be offended?
Is that what you are saying?

So if I said that people who believed it were brain dead morons who would do better over at free republic, you wouldnt be offended? Somehow I find that hard to believe, seeing as people are offended by my, and others, reaction.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #71
81. Nope, not at all.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. Yeah, I'm not celebrating
Maybe some people are, but mostly what I see is justified anger from the people who believed them. I think it's a shame that the site raised so many peoples' hopes w/so little verification. I wish it was true, probably everyone does, but I really wish they'd just stayed quiet if they couldn't completely verify that story.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:11 PM
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #29
49. These threads make me laugh out loud....
So damn entertaining.

:rofl:
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #49
60. Me too!
:rofl:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #49
101. Me too
I don't know why they're so entertaining to me, but they are. There's some very funny people here, & the situation itself is so ridiculous that it's almost automatically comedy (or maybe a tragi-comedy).
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #101
110. To both sheelz and Marie26....
The level of snark has reached amazing proportions. I love it....

:bounce:

The creativity of the snark is amazing.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
63. Well, I guess this pecking mentality will continue, but it bothers me
that people are celebrating that a liberal news org./website may be in trouble. I've been around long enough to know that people are pissed at Will Pitt and he and them. That really doesn't bother me, but it does bother me when I see people "piling on" an organization in trouble.

It's obvious nobody is allowed to disagree with you without being flamed. Yeah, this thread makes me sick, but I didn't call you out or anybody else. I've never done that and don't plan on starting now.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #63
73. So when Will Pitt was piling on DU, the admins, and DUers in general..
that was different? That didnt make you sick?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. God, you're such a whiner!
Get over it!
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. LOL! A whiner?
Who was the one pissing and moaning about the reaction to TO bullshitting us?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #73
85. That wasn't right either.
It shouldn't have happened.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #85
90. You're right - but now can you see why...
people are reacting the way they are?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #63
89. Flamed?
So, my expressing my opinion which differs from someone else's is "flaming"?

Nobody is allowed to disagree with me?

This thread makes you sick?

People want to express anger at a website that rooked them, and you don't approve?

Wow.

People are upset over being lied to, and you put them down because you don't agree with them?

Double Wow.

Perhaps you're just more used to being treated badly than they are. Maybe you don't understand that treating people like morons isn't a fair shake.

Maybe you think this is a flame. Frankly, my dear, what you think seems to be so angry and skewed, I don't think it matters much.

But, I do hope things get better for you. Life is more fun when you're happy.

Good luck.

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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #89
95. I've seen the light!
Please see post #83.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #95
111. Well, I tried
but you failed.

So, <click>
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:00 PM
Original message
WTH?
:shrug:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:06 PM
Response to Original message
119. Don't bother shrugging.
Some posters are :crazy: . LOL!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #5
19. Thank you. I salute Mr. Ash
He was wrong. There is nothing to do now but say so.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #5
22. i'm with OMC too Marie
thanks for the link with the update.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #22
38. Patience Is A Virtue Right? :)
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:14 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
:patriot:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #22
40. That's OK,
we'll just have to disagree on this issue. :) Hope the link helps out.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. yeah... i really needed the update
peace and low stress

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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
98. I Wonder Who's Going To Be More Embarrassed?
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:49 PM by arwalden
You, or Pitt, or Truthout? --- Or, a year from now, will the supporters still be claiming that Rove WAS INDEED indicted? :shrug:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #98
107. If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come thru the music
Would you hold it near as it were your own?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #107
114. No. I Rely On Facts, Not Fantasy.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #114
117. It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken,
Perhaps they're better left unsung.
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #117
118. Facts Or Fantasy?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:00 PM
Response to Original message
2. So OLL....
Don't worry. You'll forever be "FS" to me...even if we can't say the word
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #2
16. Bless you, my child
There'll be a little extra tiara waiting for you at the Coronation ...........

:toast:
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #2
41. tisha, I've seen the gown
Stunning.

Just stunning.

And the color?

"Inebriated White."

In honor of, well, you know.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. LOL! But your cell phone...
it smells like onion. I hope you won't be bringing it. It might offend HRH Frau FS's sensibilities, such as they are.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. No chance
The Frau's house is an ode to the Videlia.

Even the walls have layers.

And she takes the phrase "gimme some skin" literally.

Oh, no, she loves them things.

Did I tell you her favorite song is "Crying", by Roy Orbison?

Like it could be anything else.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:00 PM
Response to Original message
3. Hmm that seemed a little pre-emptive...
A sub-thread disappears with some of the history, and boom - new thread. Oh well.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Isn't it weird
that you have to go to Daily Kos to find out what happened on DU? :crazy:
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_testify_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. One aspect of this place that has always bugged me...
I know WHY things are the way they are, but the '_____ that shall not be named/posted/whatever' shit leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

But all in all, this is still the coolest place on the net!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:04 PM
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9. Deleted message
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_testify_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
23. that, and being discouraged from talking about things
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:10 PM by _testify_
that happen here. I understand how fast things get ugly when people are upset and that said censorship is meant to keep things as workable as possible...but still :)

edited to note the irony of this reply to a deleted post.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #23
32. LOL
And there is no way that that post could have been deleted for anything but naming the unnameable :)
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #32
50. That's right :) nt
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:19 PM by Marie26
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #23
61. I know what you mean
Ironic, no? :rofl: That kind of helps prove the point. Yeah, I understand that the rules are mostly there for a reason & help to keep this place reasonably manageable, but, I still feel censored often (and it's not like I'm going around insulting people.) I guess it comes w/the territory & you can choose whether you want to accept it or not. Like you said, this is proabably one of the best liberal political sites out there (and hopelessly addictive!) :)
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Weird and disheartening.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. And
the poster seems to be able to get away with just about anything - even directly insulting the admins - while people get banned for far less.

He certainly get far more support from DU than he wants to admit.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #11
84. I think it's cause
he's considered a "celebrity". ;) Others have commented on the problem w/some people becoming DU stars, & I really understand that problem after this incident. I'd like to think of this as a true democracy, where one person's opinion is a valid & valued as another's, but that doesn't seem to always be the case.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #84
91. All Duers are equal
Some are just more equal than others.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #84
93. You know...
I don't think it is even because of the admins - maybe they just didnt want a mass walkout if he was ever to be given the boot. I dunno.

I do know this - their job isn't be easy :)
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #93
97. For sure.
I wouldn't want Skinner's job!
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #97
99. They definately earn every penny...
and Im sure it isnt much more than pennies.

Hell if I had the money I'd donate right now :)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. You haven't figured out why that post was deleted?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:06 PM
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14. Deleted message
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. I know why it was
And probably justifiably so. But it's just weird to have people talking about "ghost posts" that can't appear at DU, yet are re-printed elsewhere.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #17
52. Yeah it is kinda weird.
I don't think it happens too often but it's funny to see them.
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
30. I don't know why....
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:12 PM by Jazz2006
and I think that somehow it was my post that caused it.

:shrug:

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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. It was all my fault
Everything is my fault.

Always.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
69. If you're talking bout what I think you're talking bout Pitt self-deleted
within minutes of posting it.

Unfortunately for him it was caught by someone and posted at 'Kos.


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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #69
79. No, it wasn't *that* little piece of infamy
It was something entirely different, and not something that he self-deleted.

:shrug:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:00 PM
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #3
24. no kidding
I was in the middle of talking to OldLefty, and boom the thread was gone. I wrote many an eloquent rant or two back there on those threads.....no, wish I had though
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #24
46. See?
It was my fault.

Every deleted message is my fault.

Somehow, that makes it easier to take, doesn't it?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #46
62. I'm lagging, I'm lagging
Pull up the afgan, trip over the walker

OldLeftie, if this is gonna be more interesting the the Nixon years....ok I'm up for it. Just let me get a lil drink first.

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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #3
35. Just a reminder on how we're handling these threads:

From Skinner:

We are instructing the moderators to lock all threads about Jason Leopold and his Rove indictment story. If you wish to continue discussing this issue, you may do so here.

When this thread reaches approximately 100 replies, the moderators will lock it and open a new one.

Thank you for your understanding.

Skinner
DU Admin



As always, If you have a question about DU policies, or if you have a concern about an action a moderator has taken, please contact an admin privately.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/contact.html

Thanks all.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #35
48. Approximately 100 replies...
I see 46.

Still I will defer to the moderators and admin.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #48
77. Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the last thread,
which was locked at 116 posts, in response to a concern that the lock was somehow connected to other moderator action.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:04 PM
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8. To Brentspeak:
brentspeak (1000+ posts) Fri May-19-06 07:56 PM
84. Well that guy deserved to get canned
I put him on Ignore, but I would often see things like this:

---------------

I have read a lot of M_L_D posts and didn't think it deserved to get ts'd. But it doesn't matter how I feel since I'm not the owner of this site.

oh and...


Fitz!!
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. You're slowing down...
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #13
33. I was looking for the Fitz...
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:14 PM by themartyred
anyhow, this is ONLY my second post about this whole mess -

please help me out, please?

I'm one of the DU'ers who spends only about 30 minutes a day on here, not hours, and I respect those of you who spend a lot more time on here fishing out things, and making things clear, I MEAN THAT.

I'm one of the design people (in fact DU should hire me for their store at cafepress as it's not too hot, and me just being a normal person in my room have sold nearly 1000 items on cafepress in the past 2 years), and I make hundreds of designs during my day that many of you have bought, THANK YOU DU,

but will someone please tell me, as I know many of your user names well, and trust you, tell me in a few long sentences what WillPitt and Leopold (if anything besides the TO admission of "wait and see" bullshit) what happened in the past week.

There's been so many threads, that I don't know what's fully happened except -

Pitt blew up at Skinner, which I cried foul on (my only other post about this all) and that TO obviously made this Indictment shit up, and hoped to get the timing right with something they overheard somewhere on a BLOG or something, ha...

So, please tell me?

and here's the shop that so many of you have visited - again, thanks, it's paid to help take care of my brother's prob with a nerve disease and fighting to get him care in the state of the Jeb...


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable pro-dem 06 & 08 stickers & anti-Bush items!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #33
54. My version
Rove was indicted. May 12th. (I was in Mexico and also predicted the day..I have links if you are interested..anyway.) Jason Leopold writes Truthout article May 13th-vague and short but Rove indicted! 24 business hours to get his things in order? Will Pitt-long time DU guy SWEARS by story. STANDS by story. Multiple sources. Multiple sources don't even KNOW each other. No proof of sources or story anywhere else.Nobody else on planet reporting Rove indicted. Truthout does not retract. Still pending. OH and Ben Burch-said to have patience. SIGH.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #54
70. THANK YOU!
at least someone answered my question! you rock... some, not all, some of these people love to hear themselves type long winded comments. I'll work on the ignore button. again, thanks for answering, good night.
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #54
100. This comes pretty close to a retraction, doesn't it?
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2006/5/19/162339/178

"The time has now come, however, to issue a partial apology to our readership for this story. While we paid very careful attention to the sourcing on this story, we erred in getting too far out in front of the news-cycle. In moving as quickly as we did, we caused more confusion than clarity. And that was a disservice to our readership and we regret it."

Or am I wrong? What am I missing?


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Xeric Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:07 PM
Response to Original message
18. Is Jason Leopold the James Frey of Journalism?
Is Truthout the Doprah enabler?
I don't know, but I'm REAL Tired of the bullshit and idiotic cheerleading.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #18
37. Naw,
Frey had a real book published. Plus, he was on Oprah.

Leopold's just a troubled man who seems to be able to convince gullible folks to keep hiring him.

Isn't that called "enabling" in some circles?

Just wondering.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #18
44. No, he's the Glenn Frey of journalism
Already Gone.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #18
88. Maybe he's the Jason Blair of the Blogs? nt
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:10 PM
Response to Original message
27. Comment re: the Truthout statement
by which I mean this one:
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2006/5/19/162339/178

I can see from the comments below this statment that Truthout's constituency and supporters may well be satisfied with this brief statement. However, I must note with politeness that to everyone else, this statement is weak.

Very... very... weak.

That is all I care to say in deference to those who have an emotional investment in Truthout.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. They aren't apologizing for the story at all.
They are apologizing for having such an incredible scoop that it confused everyone.

Seems they are just digging in deeper on the story.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #34
80. I don't see that such an apology is either necessary or coherent.
Apologizing for being too good? Apologizing for blowing our minds? Apologizing for publishing an incomplete story, without completing it or even telling us what might be missing? Then concluding with we'll-wait-and-see, as though even TO is no longer convinced of the story's veracity?

If a disservice has been done, they are compounding it with this non-announcement.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #80
87. Yeah, I'd say they retrenched rather than apologized
They are still begging for another hand of cards to be played when their marks have had enough and left the table.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #27
74. OK :-)
I have been away for a few hours could someone give me an update.

I know this

1) TO issued a statement about a partial apology along with a wait and see approach


I hope that this whole thing doesn't bury TO, I felt like the rug was pulled out from under me today when we found out that they were de-listed from Google News.

I would like to keep going to the liberal sites like TO, RS, ect. I will as long as they don't get destroyed by stuff like this. This week has been the biggest story/non-story in the history of American politics, at least for me.

I am relieved that TO issued a statement.

I think we should be thankful for places like TO, RS, FDL, BuzzFlash, TBTM, Crooks & Liars, Media Matters, BradBlog, HuffPo and probably 6 others that I am forgetting, these people bust their ass to bring us what they think is important, which usually is.

My final thoughts are this, cause my lady is hollering at me to get off the puter and spend some time with her, which I badly need, her and a break from DU. I have learned and grown quite a bit this week, thanks to all who have help me along the way I think this journey is over and a new one may be on the horizon. We(the readers and people of DU) along with the Liberal Sites/Blogs wouldn't have come as far as we have if we weren't there for each other - call it a symbiotic relationship or whatever, but I want people to realize the value of what we get vs the value that we give back.

Peace and Virgin Olive Oil Grease.;)



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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
43. Can you show me the link with Truthout's apology?
I'm looking for it.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #43
57. Here:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. That's nice. Where is the apology?
nt
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #64
94. they issued a partial one in the article
see here:

The time has now come, however, to issue a partial apology to our readership for this story. While we paid very careful attention to the sourcing on this story, we erred in getting too far out in front of the news-cycle. In moving as quickly as we did, we caused more confusion than clarity. And that was a disservice to our readership and we regret it.

I hope this helps and I am trying to not offend anyone :) this thread has gotten touchy and I am bowing out. :)

Peace
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #64
102. It's a non-apology,
for a non-story. Fitting, I guess.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #57
92. That, right there, is the single-most laughable, pathetic, and non-apology
I have ever read on the internet.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #92
104. c'mon
give these people a break. I just wish all these people who are so outraged at TO and Pitt and Leopold would organize in their citiies and march down to their local MSM and direct all this anger where it belongs. At the fuckers who have had the real power to stop all this bullshit, to really change our lives for the better by just doing their jobs! That's all, just doing what they are paid to do. Report the real news.
But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, let's flog Leopold and Pitt and TO.

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. I think it's because people trusted them.
No one ever trusted the MSM, so it's hard to feel betrayed by them, you know?
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #106
112. That's not true.
Too many people still trust the MSM. They sway public opinion on all sorts of crucial topics. They instill needless fear into people on a daily basis and it wears us out and dumbs us down. This is by design.
It's sad and sickening and dammit we should be so angry, angry enough to do something......but we're all just trying to stay afloat.

I don't feel betrayed because I don't believe that they intentionally mislead any of us. The MSM on the other hand, they're liars and bought and paid for traitors! They know the truth, and they report the opposite.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #104
116. Right
Where's our friend lala_rawraw on this? Where's all our other bloggers? If truthout is so connected, how come they can't call someone like Sydney Blumenthal, and at least compare notes? Shit, that guy is everywhere.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:20 PM
Response to Original message
53. So what "part" are they apologizing for?
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:37 PM by Jersey Devil
This "partial apology" is for what facts in the story? If they got it partially wrong, shouldn't they explain what part or would that be "getting too far out in front" of the apology? Or maybe they are worried they would "confuse" the ignorant masses further?

The "apology" was no apology and was less well written than the story, if that's possible.

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #53
109. After doing some
heavy duty explication of the text, I think they're only apologizing for "getting too far out in front of the news cycle." (Whatever that means). That's the full extent of the apology. Everything else is "wait and see." It's completely meaningless.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:21 PM
Response to Original message
56. One of the better tinfoil theories I've heard yet, from dailkos:
My Tinfoil Hat Claim is That the Rove Story was fabricated to cause reporters to phone sources, so the sources could be found and purged.

And I'm sticking by it, Hayden.

We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

by Gooserock on Fri May 19, 2006 at 12:35:19 PM PDT


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/19/15264/3947
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DisgustedTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #56
67. Will smokin' the sausage get the TRUTHOUT?
:nuke:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:35 PM
Response to Original message
82. SORRY TO REPOST - but here is my hot air for whatever it is worth
but for some reason this got attached to another comment and I wanted attached to the OP.

I have been away for a few hours could someone give me an update.

I know this

1) TO issued a statement about a partial apology along with a wait and see approach


I hope that this whole thing doesn't bury TO, I felt like the rug was pulled out from under me today when we found out that they were de-listed from Google News.

I would like to keep going to the liberal sites like TO, RS, ect. I will as long as they don't get destroyed by stuff like this. This week has been the biggest story/non-story in the history of American politics, at least for me.

I am relieved that TO issued a statement.

I think we should be thankful for places like TO, RS, FDL, BuzzFlash, TBTM, Crooks & Liars, Media Matters, BradBlog, HuffPo and probably 6 others that I am forgetting, these people bust their ass to bring us what they think is important, which usually is.

My final thoughts are this, cause my lady is hollering at me to get off the puter and spend some time with her, which I badly need, her and a break from DU. I have learned and grown quite a bit this week, thanks to all who have help me along the way I think this journey is over and a new one may be on the horizon. We(the readers and people of DU) along with the Liberal Sites/Blogs wouldn't have come as far as we have if we weren't there for each other - call it a symbiotic relationship or whatever, but I want people to realize the value of what we get vs the value that we give back.

Peace and Virgin Olive Oil Grease.;)
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #82
96. Hope you have a great night!
:hi::patriot:
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #82
103. That's OK, kid, we'll go to the mattresses
Edited on Fri May-19-06 08:48 PM by Jersey Devil
"Probably all the other families will line up against us. But, it's alright. These things have to happen once every ten years or so...gets rid of the bad blood. You gotta stop 'em at the beginning. Like they shoulda stopped Hitler at Munich, they shoulda never let him get away with that, they were just asking for big trouble..." (Clemenza)
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:07 PM
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120. Thread 20 here:
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