The *officially unofficial* Tar Baby poll

[SeveneightyWhoa]

Poll question: The *officially unofficial* Tar Baby poll

When TONY SNOW said it, it was..

[Tunkamerica]

1. maybe another choice or two...?

to me its harmless and i've never heard it used in a derogatory way, but to someone who has heard it that way i can see why they might think its blatantly racist.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

2. I'm asking what you think, in the context..

..of who said it and the context they said it in.. The poll has nothing to do with how you believe others might happen to interpret it.

[Tunkamerica]

4. so its not what i believe ...

... but what i think someone else meant?

Can i erase my vote because I honestly don't think there is any reason he would have been so purposefully provocative. It's much more likely he was ignorant. Like many on DU, myself included, have admitted to being about this term's ugly connotations.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

9. Well yeah, thats what I meant..

I surely didn't make it clear in my initial post. Ah well! Poll's well that ends well.

[johnfunk]

87. The third choice should read...

"Now lookie heah! Do pooah man CRAH'D, fo' hevvin's sake!"

[magellan]

3. It would be even more interesting if you broke it out by age

...for each category. Just a thought, not trying to mess with your poll. :)

[Bucky]

54. Wait. Are you saying there's a second meaning to "tar baby"?

I had no idea!!

[magellan]

86. Yes. Have you heard of or read the story "Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby"?

Or maybe you've seen Walt Disney's "Song of the South", which includes animation of this particular tale.



This is one of several stories falling under the "Tales of Uncle Remus" by Joel Chandler Harris, a 19th century author. The stories of Uncle Remus, including "The Wonderful Tar Baby Story", are African-American folk tales from the slavery era.

My grandmother read these stories to me when I was a child in the 60s. The Tar Baby was nothing more than a trick used by Brer Fox to trap Brer Rabbit with his own pride, so he could eat him. Briefly, it goes like this:

Brer Rabbit comes across the Tar Baby and says hello. The Tar Baby, being made of tar, doesn't reply. This gets Brer Rabbit's goat. His one-sided conversation with the Tar Baby escalates until he takes a swing at the Tar Baby; his hand sticks. Pretty soon he's completely stuck in the Tar Baby. Then Brer Fox emerges from his hiding place and chides Brer Rabbit for always acting so high and mighty, finishing by saying he expects Brer Rabbit will be joining him for dinner that night. The story doesn't end there, but that's the gist of the Tar Baby's involvement.

Now it's fair to point out that Harris was a product of his time and generally subscribed to the notion that blacks were inferior to whites. However, he recorded these folk tales for their anthropological and entertainment value. There is nothing racist in the Tar Baby as a 'character', if you could call it that...It's really nothing but a prop, one invented by African-American slaves to propel the characters of Brer Fox and Brer Rabbit along.

It's very unfortunate that misuse of "Tar Baby" has turned it into a racial slur. That isn't my reaction when I think of The Tar Baby; I remember the wonderful folk tales and their moral lessons that are part of the fabric of my youth.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. The point about tony snow being racist

was made not just because he used this term. He also wrote that disgusting column criticizing Kwanzaa for that white supremacist website that he regularly writes for (along with David Duke).

Besides, I don't understand why anyone here would defend tony snow anyway. Maybe we should have a poll about THAT. :eyes:

[SeveneightyWhoa]

7. Dude, he cried!

He had CANCER!

And he's HANDSOME!

And he's such a goshdarned TRUTHTELLER!

Haven't you learned these factoids by now? I mean, the media has been hammering at them for days!

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Dude he is a bubbled headed blonde man

Why TF does he CARE about Kwanzaa??

[johnfunk]

88. Bubble head? More like Frankenstein Forehead...

[magellan]

8. The poll isn't about whether Tony Snow meant it racially

I don't see his name mentioned.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

10. Well it is now..

:rofl:

[magellan]

19. Changing the context of the question after people have voted

...sucks. But I happily stick by my 'harmless cultural reference' vote.

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. That's where the tar baby discussion came from

Don't tell me we would be having any discussions about tar baby if he hadn't said it on Tuesday.

[magellan]

26. Of course not.

I merely said that wasn't what the poll (originally) asked. I thought it was an interesting poll for having the courage to ask people what their own frame of reference for 'Tar Baby' was. That's why I suggested breaking the categories out by age, above. But that suggestion got no response. Instead, the poll question was changed to garner opinions of what Snow meant when he made the reference. Which is far less interesting because it's already been discussed to death. It also shows a certain bias on the pollster's part, IMO.

[pocket]

11. what site is that?

.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. This one

http://www.martinlutherking.org/kwanzaa.html

Have a look. Read some of the links on the right.

Here's a David Duke column.

http://www.martinlutherking.org/ma-chapter18.html

[pocket]

70. to be fair, it looks like that site stole the article from Detroit News

.

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. he is a regular contributor to that site

So maybe the Detorit News stole that column. Or maybe it is syndicated.

[tammywammy]

93. What other articles of Tony Snow are on

that Martin Luther King website? I haven't been able to find any more other than the one.

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. Well do you really believe they would ALL still be there?

LOL

Last week there were 6. Looks like they have been purged.

[arewenotdemo]

13. Snow also proffered this pearl of wisdom

“Here’s the unmentionable secret: Racism isn’t that big a deal any more. No sensible person supports it. Nobody of importance preaches it. It’s rapidly becoming an ugly memory.”

The above is all I need to know to place his "tar baby" reference in context.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Racism isn't overt anymore but it certainly hasn't gone away

Tony Snow proves that whenever he opens his mouth and talks about it.

[Karenina]

47. Another Snow reference

from the briefing in question, "Let's try to segregate the stories here."
Isn't he cute???

[Kutjara]

6. For me, it is racist because...

...I have, in the past, heard it used in a racist context by acquaintances. Once a word has been tainted by such connotations, it is wise to steer clear of it. Perhaps the word will be rehabilitated one day, but I don't think that's happened yet. Apologies to Uncle Remus.

[dorkulon]

12. Reminds me of the "niggardly" flap in '99

...when the DC mayor fired an aide for his use of the word, which is not a racial slur and has a perfectly benign etymology. I see this as a similar occurence: "tar baby" has been used as a slur, but to be fair, Snow clearly didn't mean it that way. Still, probably not the best choice of words, especially for this administration.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. It's not the same as that

tony snow has a history of making insensitive racial comments.

[dorkulon]

25. It's not "blatantly racist," it's ignorant

But "hug the tar baby" is clearly a reference to falling for a trap--if Snow meant it as a racial slur, he never would have said it in front of the WH press corps as he did.

I'm not saying it was a smart or sensitive thing to say, but ignorance is not the same thing as malice.

[dorkulon]

27. Just for the record, I hate Snow with a passion.

I'm just saying it's kind of silly to pretend he would walk out in front of the press and burn a cross or something.

There was a great piece in my fave local paper on Snow--the theory is he'll do better as Press Secretary than McClellan because he's such an idiot. Apparently, it's not working out for him.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Tar baby isn't even in my vocabulary

tony should know it has racial implications. He is so up on Kwanzaa, it seems like he would know a lot about African American culture.

[dorkulon]

30. True,

it was a pretty stupendous faux pas. It definitely shows what kind of crowd Snow is accustomed to traveling in. A very pale crowd...

[Kahuna]

32. It's not the same. Tar baby is most definitely a racist term.

And Snow is old enough to know that. I think it's shocking that in 2006, someone of his stature would use such a term and that others would excuse it in any way.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. Agreed

But even if he wasn't old enough to know better, he should know since he is a journalist! Like I said in another post, if he knows enough about the African American culture to write a column about Kwanzaa, he should definitely know that tar baby is a derogatory expression.

[987654321]

16. It is racist!

God, what else could anyone think about that?

[pinto]

20. I actually felt for him when he choked up, it was real. His mom

died of cancer, he's had cancer...I have no idea how he *meant* his tar baby comment, so I can't weigh in there.

[Quantess]

22. Tony Snow is a clumsy oaf.

I voted "Blatantly Racist", but here's my explanation:
"tar baby" has more than one connotation. Yes, we all cherish the American Folklore about Brer Rabbit hugging the tar baby. What a GRAND LESSON! LOL. But seriously, Brer Rabbit was pretty cute and affable and harmless.

The other connotation IS a racial slur. I have heard with my own ears, a reference to black children as "tar babies".
Anyone in his position should know better! That's why Tony Snow is *officially* a clumsy oaf, to me. He is a FOX journalist, now appointed to be the WH spokesman? What a doofus.

[IChing]

23. As Jon Stewart said it sorta puts

the chink in his armor or displays a jewishness or ...... he went on with these sayings when TDS played the clip tonight.

even he thought it was racist and do I.

Not PC .......and PC is something that a speaker for a president should say.
never mind it's the Bush administration.

"Now let me show you a picture of my black friend"
as Steven Colbert would say

[SeveneightyWhoa]

28. More proof that Jon and his writers read DU! n/t

[cmkramer]

84. Well even smart people can be stupid at times

If Jon Stewart thinks that Tony Snow meant the term in a racist way, he's showing his ignorance. It's obviously used as a cultural reference here.

[Up2Late]

24. Nobody but a racist would ever use that term.

The only "people" who have use that term in the last 30 to 40 years are Racists. He said it so effortlessly, you have to know he talks like that in private, and at his Klan meetings.

I have to admit, all I saw was what The Daily Show showed, what was he talking about when he said that?

[Kahuna]

33. That's right. There is no excuse for him. He exposed himself

for the racist pig that he is.

[onenote]

39. So all of these folks are "racist" then?

Huffington http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0528-07.htm

Rather: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/05/eveningnews/main571901.shtml

Rep. Diane Watson: http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ca33_watson/pr050628.html

Kunstler: http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/2005/11/stay_or_go.html


And these DUers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2266664#2266741 (post #4)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2264053 (post #16)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2609742
(post #6)

[Up2Late]

50. You got it...

If you go back and look, 2 or the 3 DUers you pointed to don't provide any personal info, which usually indicates to me, someone who often makes inflammatory statements or often says stupid stuff they are not proud of, the other is from Small Town W.Florida, which tends to be very racist. She might not consider herself a Racist, but she's grew up with enough that it pops out every so often.

Of the four at the top, 3 of the 4 are quoting what others had said, which is different than using the word in normal speech. Arianna Huffington is the only exception, but she only started siding with the Democrats a few years ago.

Plus, she's Greek and not a native Enlish speaker, so she should be given the benefit of the doubt that she doesn't know how distasteful using that word is to most Americans.

[onenote]

73. You're stretching pretty hard ...albeit weakly

First, the idea that the absence of a personal profile is reason to believe someone is a racist is one of the more bizarre claims I've seen on DU. For what its worth, the two DUers without profiles have both been on this board considerably longer than you have and one of them has over 25,000 posts.

Second, Kunstler is not quoting anyone. His use of tarbaby as a description of the situation in the middle east as a tarbaby is his own choice of words. So is Huffington's -- and by excusing her you've conceded that there is another meaning to the phrase. And while you can argue that Rather and Rep. Watson were "quoting" someone else -- or at least putting the words in some unknown "other" person or persons mouthts, again, their statements demonstrate that there is a context for using the phrase in a non-racially offensive manner.

Finally, while I could spend the afternoon googling and posting innumerable uses of the phrase on progressive websites to refer to Iraq or Vietnam or some other government folly, I'll just leave you with one -- Molly Ivins, who I assume you also are prepared to denounce as a racist (since she's spoken English all her life).

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2001/650

[Up2Late]

83. That's not what I said or what I meant.

I said, someone who does not provide any profile info, "...usually indicates to me, someone who often makes inflammatory statements or often says stupid stuff they are not proud of...," how you made the jump to "...is reason to believe someone is a racist..." IS bizarre, but it came out of your head not mine.

Since I now see you are of undeclared gender and location too, I can see how you would disagree.

Second, just because a DU member has 25,000 post doesn't mean what they posted was something worth reading. Some here post a lot of Kicks and a few here even post single dots.

Third, you write, "...and by excusing her you've conceded that there is another meaning to the phrase."

No, that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that she wrote that 2003 Democrat bashing article, when she was still a Kool-aid drinking, Republican pundent, and since she did not grow up here in the U.S., she probably had very little personal knowledge or personal experience with racism in America, so a lack of cultural sensitivity could be expected and excused.

Finally, if you go back and look at the poll, you'll see people are almost evenly split on this stupid issue, so nearly half of the people agree with both of us.

We both have a right to our own opinions about this stupid issue. I'm moving on.

[onenote]

85. nice back track

You started our little exchange by posting that "Nobody but a racist would ever use" the term tarbaby and that "The only "people" who have use that term in the last 30 to 40 years are Racists."

I pointed out a number of instances where DUers had used the term recently, raising the question of whether you thus believed those DUers were "Racists".

You answered by indicating that I was right about what you thought (i.e., your response title: "You got it"). You further noted that of the three posters one had a profile that indicated that they were from a small town in W. Florida and that while that person might not consider themselves to be a Racist, they are (i.e., "it pops out every so often"). As to the two posters without profiles you indicated that the absence of information suggested that they were posters who likely were inclined towards making inflammatory statements or saying things that they weren't proud of. This appears to be the only thing that you have offered to support your conclusion that they are Racists (as opposed, lets say, to people who didn't know that the term tarbaby was racially offensive to some, a point that any number of posters have made here).

In any event, I must've missed the part where you explained Molly Ivins' use of the term. I'm guessing that its because she grew up in Texas that she, like the W.FL poster, is actually a Racist even if she doesn't consider herself one (and as far as I know has ever exhibited her Racism in any other way).

Movin' on now myself...

[Tunkamerica]

90. your wrong about that

people on here have admitted to being ignorant of the racial undertones.

i only know the term from uncle remus and anansi, i have never heard someone use it derogatively. i don't know that i've ever uttered the phrase but i've heard it and never thought the person speaking (yes even my elementary school teacher who read us uncle remus) was making a racially motivated statement.

[Swamp Rat]

31. FF-F-FFascist!

KKK-Kwanzaa ss-s-sss-sucks and rr-racism d-d-d-ddd-doesn't exist!

Obey B-BB-Bushler.

M-m-mmake white b-babies.

[qanda]

35. Wow!

Sometimes DU amazes me. Just wow!

[SeveneightyWhoa]

46. In what way?

Explain.. Because they're split on this issue? Which way did you expect the poll to go?

[qanda]

49. It's not very close in the African American Group

We don't have a very wide sample to go from, but the last time I checked it was 6 to 1 that "tar baby" is considered offensive. I think it's sad that so many white people on DU don't see "tar baby" as being the racial slur that it is.

[woo me with science]

36. This poll would be interesting broken down by age.

I suspect older members of DU, who actually remember the stories, are less likely to view it as racist.

[AlCzervik]

37. i'm 38 and i grew up in Mass. the only thing i know from that expression

was from Archie Bunker. Maybe it's a generational/geographic thing.

[IChing]

41. Spear chucker,Lawn Jockey, tar baby, I grew up in the south

They are just degrees of racist words getting away from the N word.

Tar Baby
A dehumanizing term to describe blacks and rarely used to describe anything else.

But of course we hardly ever analyze our words when we say them..

[idgiehkt]

64. THE POLL NEEDS TO BE AMENDED!!

Okay, I agree 100%

To whom it may concern,

Please amend your poll with the following question:

"If you do not know think this is a racist term, then just where in the hell are you from?"

Because I'm just appalachian white trash and don't know much, but I know what 'tar baby' means.

[Bucky]

68. Where you lose me: "rarely used to describe anything else"

I cry BS about this bit of exaggeration. The term is exclusively used as it was intended from the original (albeit racially offensive) book. The legend of the tarbaby itself comes from west Africa folklore. The role of Brother Rabbit originally was played by Anansi, the spider trickster god of the Gold Coast region. Google tarbaby, if you don't believe me. You do a lot a clicking before you find anything about race.

[Cooley Hurd]

38. I believe it was innocent, however...

...he must be the stupidest fucker alive to think that he'd just get a pass on this.

I remember the SNL skit from Season 1 in which Chevy Chase is playing a word association game with Richard Pryor, and used "tar baby" as a racial epithet. Man, I'm old... :(

[Up2Late]

51. That SNL bit is a Classic.

They included it in the Recent Richard Prior Tribute, done by Comedy Central, I think.

It was done Before he died called, "Richard Prior: I'm not dead yet!"

Sadly, not the case anymore.

[Ravenseye]

40. He didn't mean for it to offend, but it does

He may have meant it as the cultural reference, but he should have realized how offensive the use of the word Tar Baby is regardless of it's origin. The fact that this terminology is still used today (even on DU) is shocking to me.

Tar Baby has been used as a offensive racist word for decades and I've personally witnessed it on multiple occaions (white people referring to black people as tar babies).

Tony Snow didn't use the term with malice, but he should have been aware of the negative connotations of the word and never used it.

therefore I vote racist. Ignorance is not an excuse.

[Quixote1818]

42. Give me a break. He meant nothing by it.

Now I absolutely HATE Tony Snow as one of the most arrogant ass holes on the planet but this was harmless and I don't think he meant anything by saying it. He shouldn't have said it, but this is a none issue in my mind and I am surprised so many voted that he is racist. If a Democrat had done the same thing the same people would be supporting him/her as having slipped up.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

43. I hate Snow, but that was clearly a literary allusion.

Let's pay attention to the hundreds of legitimate reasons for criticizing this (mis)administration.

[Quixote1818]

45. I agree 100% Thank You for your sanity! nt

[Minnesota_Lib]

44. Much ado about nothing.

[stepnw1f]

48. Either There are a Ton of Righties Voting Here

or people here are in some serious denial about bigotry in general. I wish people would stop over-intellectualizing what this asshole said. We all know the fuck head is a bigot, and most people know the word "Tar Baby" is used as a racial slur. Stop playing dumb people.

[Quixote1818]

52. Definition of Tar Baby

Here is the definition of Tar Baby:

entry found for tar baby.
tar baby

A situation or problem from which it is virtually impossible to disentangle oneself.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tar%20baby

So is Disney Prejudice too? How about Song of the South:


http://www.ongoing-tales.com/SERIALS/oldtime/FAIRYTALES/tarbaby.html

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug97/remus/tar-baby.html


It was stupid for Tony Snow to use the term but I have no doubt he meant the above. This is a non issue.

[stepnw1f]

55. Helllooooo... not to Every Townie

who do not read like you do... wake up!

[Quixote1818]

65. We agree he shouldn't have said it but I still don't think he meant

anything malicious by the term. To 80% of the population "Tar Baby" brings up memories of Disney's Song of the South and thats it.

They had a poll on AOL yesterday and 80% were cool with the term.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

72. what is a "townie"?

I have not heard that used in the U.S. before, I have seen brits use it quite often.
Anyway, you might want to be careful as it can be considered to be a derogatory word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townie

[SheepyMcSheepster]

53. I'm one of those in denial evidentially

I have no argument and can understand why people would be upset about the use of the word, however in my personal experience I have never seen or heard that term used in a derogatory manner. The only context I have for said term is from the Br'er Rabbit story.

So basically I am saying as a born and raised southerner (NC) I have only heard the term "tar baby" used to describe a situation or problem that just gets worse the more you interact with it.

Maybe that means I am in denial or maybe it means that words have different interpretations based on the one doing the interpreting.

[stepnw1f]

56. Tony Snow is a "PROFESSIONAL" and Knows What Reaction He Was Going to Get

It wasn't an innocent mistake... he used the term twice.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

59. Am I defending Tony Snow?

Nope. I am not. Like I said I understand why this phrase is a point of contention.
My previous post was meant to address those who you claim are in denial.
See it is not denial so much as we have never heard the phrase used in the manner that you are referencing.

I have no point other than I personally don't think "racist" when I hear the phrase.

[stepnw1f]

61. Did I Say You Were?

Nope...

[SheepyMcSheepster]

66. Well I must have misinterpreted your reply

It seemed that you were explaining to me that Tony Snow knew what he is doing. I am not sure why you would reply in such a fashion unless you believed that I was defending Snow or arguing on his behalf which is hardly the case.

Maybe you would like to expound up on my serious denial? It seems to be a topic more relevant to my previous comments.

Or maybe we can just leave it at this as there certainly more important things to have disagreements over?

[stepnw1f]

69. He Did Know

He knew he'd get a reaction from the left, while pleasing his bigoted right wing crowd, who constantly revel at being UN-PC". Whatever the hell that is supposed to mean... then again they seem to have their own version of the english language as well as facts.

Why do so many on the Left give people like this the benefit of the doubt? He's a paid propagandist for a criminal White House who worked for FOX News! You think common folk know where Tar Baby really comes from?! You think he doesn't know that? Or even care?

[SheepyMcSheepster]

71. Again, I have no argument, only an opinion

My opinion is that the use of the phrase "tar baby" does not equate racism.
That is what the poll in the OP of this thread was about.

You seem convinced that everyone should believe "Tar Baby" has racist overtones, I am here telling you that in my experience I have never heard it used in that fashion. I don't know that there is anything to argue with me about unless you want to argue that my experiences are not legitimate somehow.

I'm not quite sure want kind of response you want from me. Tony Snow is a scumbag, but I don't find his use of the phrase "tar baby" to be inappropriate. I think it is a very descriptive and useful phrase, that being said I can understand why others might find the phrase inappropriate or offensive.

[Quixote1818]

62. I agree and that's why the poll looks the way it does. nt

[idgiehkt]

67. I wonder what the reaction would have been if he'd said 'pickaninny'

pickaninny- (n)used to describe a featureless, raceless human of adolescent age in the act of removing bodily parasites.

yeah...mmmmhmmm.

like Judge Judy says, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[onenote]

74. Molly Ivins is a professional

So is she a racist too?

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2001/650

[Quixote1818]

58. I had the EXACT reaction you had (See my post above)

My only experience with the term "Tar Baby" is from Song of the South and think of it as you said "a term to be used to describe a situation or problem that just gets worse the more you interact with it."

That is also clearly what Tony Snow was saying.

For the record I absolutely HATE Tony Snow but I am not going to attack him for something I know he didn't mean anything negative by.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

63. Agreed.

Tony Snow is a miserable turd but I have no beef with him over the use of this phrase.

[Lord Binky]

57. I know he's a bigot

But I seriously doubt he's stupid enough to purposely say such a thing so early in his career there, unless he didn't know it had another meaning. I've lived in the south my whole life, and I had no idea what it meant until now.

[stepnw1f]

60. stupid would have nothing to do with it

try publicity.

[onenote]

76. why? Snow's used the phrase before without it generating publicity

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/tony/snow040599.asp

For that matter so have a lot of progressive columnists, again without it raising a ruckus.

Here are just two examples:

http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/2005/11/stay_or_go.html

http://www.mollyivins.com/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=478

[SheepyMcSheepster]

78. Well then, I guess it is settled!

Molly Ivins is a racist!
:sarcasm:

[KingFlorez]

75. He's probably used to using racial references

He strikes me as someone who frequently uses racial references a lot.

[titoresque]

77. This poll looks like it's been Freeped

Seriously disgusting! The man has ties to White Supremacy....besides working for the Whitest House ever. He knew what he was saying. It's his god damn job to KNOW how to say things WITHOUT saying ANYTHING.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

79. I guess I'm a freeper then?

:shrug:

My freepish qualifications would be that I have never seen or heard the phrase "tar baby" used in a racist manner.

[titoresque]

80. It doesn't matter

you're not the Press Secretary. It doesn't matter that you or many of you have never heard the term used as racial slur. The point is that IT IS USED and it was used by a very public figure who has ties to White Supremacy.....where words like tarbaby and worse are part of their regular vocabulary.

That's the point. And I refuse to defend a known racist who chooses to use racial slur on his first day on the job...sort of like a shout out to all his racist brothers.....he's a slime ball and he knew damn well what he was saying. It doesn't matter that you've never heard it...the right people did.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

81. just curious about the white supremacy thing....

What are his connections to the movement? I seen that some of his articles where reprinted on the Storm Front website without endorsement, but other than that I am unaware of anything implicitly tying Snow to the white supremacy movement. Thanks.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

89. Ties to white supremacy?

Care to provide evidence?

And I think your capitalization of the term "White Supremacy" is the most racist thing I see here.. Are you sure you haven't been freeped? :rofl:

[cboy4]

91. People. Just because you've never thought a term you've heard was

inappropriate doesn't mean it's acceptable to say.

Ever heard, "ignorance of the law is no excuse?"

Having said this, I do not believe Snow's comment was blatantly racist. Certainly, it was insensitive.

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. Insensitive at the very least

But due to his history, I believe it was a blatantly racist remark.