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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:24 PM
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OFFICIAL TRUTHOUT/LEOPOLD/ROVE THREAD #7
Edited on Thu May-18-06 05:48 PM by The empressof all
We are instructing the moderators to lock all threads about Jason Leopold and his Rove indictment story. If you wish to continue discussing this issue, you may do so here.

When this thread reaches approximately 100 replies, the moderators will lock it and open a new one.

Thank you for your understanding.

Skinner
DU Admin

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:25 PM
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1. Still Standing With Ya Will and Jason!!!!! Thanks For Everything!!!!!
Edited on Thu May-18-06 05:26 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
Could it be tomorrow??? Frog march time Pig Boy!!!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. And, And, And... Can I Have Your Autograph Please?
Edited on Thu May-18-06 06:26 PM by arwalden
"You're my hero. And, and and.. did you notice my very own thread in support of you. Did ya, did ya, did ya?"
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #10
95. Hmmm...
Back off, beeyotch. I did a drooly, starry-eyed support thread WAAAAYYY before you! :evilgrin: :smoke:
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
40. where is the link to #6?
the others you could track back through...
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #1
84. I'm with ya!
For all of you who missed me so sorry I had to step away for a while. To all of you who didn't so sorry I had to step away for a while.



Give Mommy a Kiss....."
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:28 PM
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2. Still doubtful of Leopold's story and the value Pitt's propping it up.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. it's not too late for Lepold to pull the story
well, on second thought

I guess it is too late.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. I said I'm doubtful. Skepticism is about doubt, not an inside track
to the truth.

Theists and atheists are not skeptical. They have made up their minds. Agnostics doubt.
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #11
33. Pitt said doubt is good.
but I kinda doubt that.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #33
43. Well at least you toned down your rhetoric, even though the theme remains
the same..

Keep plumbing the depths for truth! :) MKJ
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. Maybe They'll Just Secretly EDIT The Story...
...oh, wait, they already did that.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. within 24 business hours?
.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:24 PM
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47. Of course, they meant 24 business *days*. nt
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:52 PM
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25. For what? To save his credibility?
Edited on Thu May-18-06 06:05 PM by damkira
I would think a person would lose that after plagiarizing part of a story from The Financial Times.

Jesus christ! When I was in journalism school, plagiarism was a cardinal sin. If I would have done that I would have been expelled from the university. It's amazing that people are still willing to hire hack writers like Leopold. I guess people will believe anything if it's what they want to hear.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:28 PM
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3. Reply to what was madsen stuff all about.....
obviously, madsen just wants in on all the publicity.

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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:29 PM
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4. If no one is indicted tomorrow... I will INDICT MYSELF
Edited on Thu May-18-06 05:30 PM by dave29
For your viewing pleasure.

Query: can someone teach me how to frog march?

Edit to add: I am seriesly evil. I'm hugh in Republican sircles./
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. ribit
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. I still can't believe this has gone on
for 7 threads.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. The continuing sage of The Du ConvinceMe Code.
Edited on Thu May-18-06 05:36 PM by 5X
edit to say: thanks to Jigarotta.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #7
27. and that's just in a half a day
and I don't mean a business day. Ok maybe I do.I don't freakin know what I mean, does anyone else?

You must not have been here very long if you did not think we could get to thread 7 like that.We can really pick a bone apart here.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #27
42. Speaking of pulling a bone apart,
here's the real deal ...........

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. that strange I was thinking of him when I wrote that line n/t
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. I grew up with the old joke,
the punch line of which was "And here was where Napoleon pulled his Bonaparte."

See how some kids are abused?

;)
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. OLL, a quick bit of info.
Edited on Thu May-18-06 06:31 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
An ugly rumor was started that you opposed the Alito filibuster. Just a heads up...things are getting pretty brutal, so I figured you should know what's out there.

BTW, I admire your views and posts, so I've leapt to your defense. MKJ

:hi:
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. HAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!
Not only that, I was the one leading the charge for the summary execution of Mrs. Alito when she did that "I'm so upset, I'm crying" thing, and I had the whole Khmer Rouge ready to do my bidding.

They worship me, you know, ever since I dated Pol Pot in 1967.

Best he ever had, he always said.

Whatever you hear, it's true, and just remember that I've also got the Montagnards. I never dated any of them, though. They're all so emotionally needy.

Now, where was I?
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #60
85. is he more Pol or is he more Pot? nudge nudge wink wink.
Oh, you do get around.
Reminds me of the Flashman series. ;)
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #85
89. Like I'd Khmer Rouge and tell
I am nothing if not the soul of discretion.

He fell for my looks, ya know:

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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #89
94. hahah! I want to look like that.
stoogie with no fashion sense At All, that sez f y'all, I ain't cleaning up your shit no more. I love that lady, who is she?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. Mom
Just watch it.

Actually, we think of her as LaVerne.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #50
63. yes I see ;) n/t
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #42
57. It's a dog eat dog world.
:pic of a hound chomping down a ball park frank:
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #57
66. Or..........
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. not the puppy :O n/t
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #67
90. Keep it up
The puppy gets it.

I'm SERIES.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #7
36. Me either. It is a testament to
something

:)
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #7
48. Seven completely idiotic
irrelevant threads.


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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #48
74. that means for an average day, DU is doing Great!
:)
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #4
17. Preview of MY PENDING INDICTMENT
Edited on Thu May-18-06 05:42 PM by dave29
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
24. do you look like rove?
then it might be pleasurable.LOL
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #4
79. as far as I know, you need partners.
that hang you upside down by your legs.
I'll take the Left! :)
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #79
83. You rang?
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:30 PM
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8. Oh how I love GD DU!
LOL!!
Only here can I find a thread #7 of no new news and posts on offensive stickies!
I really do love this place!
Rock on!!

P.S. Is that an elephant dick? eewwwww!
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #8
22. HaHaHa!!
My daughter just informed me that it is a whale. (Famous internet pic)
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. It's a fake.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #23
41. Thanks for the link...I won't lose any more sleep over that issue.
issue? did I say that?

:evilgrin:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:33 PM
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12. I agree with LeftHander from thread 5: This is complicated, and still
completely up in the air.

OldLeftyLawyer:

Do you put everyone on ignore who disagrees with you? Sounds like a real boring read. If you already know everyone is going to take your point of view, what's the point of coming in here, at all?

BTW, I really agree with what LeftHander said and I've re-posted it. So, now you have to put me on ignore, too.

LeftHander's point about TO and Rove:

"I think the reason why Rove is such a hot target is because he has directly influenced this Administration and helped facilitate turning the GOP into a NeoCon stooge.

It probably could be stated that had it not been for Karl Rove. There would be no GW Bush as President.

So when it becomes clear that Karl Rove's head is possibly on the chopping block it could mean that many many other things will fall into the gallows as well.

Can you or I stop the war?
Can you or I stop Halliburton and Cheney from sucking off the nation?

No.

But we see one person who is symbol of what is left in America. A symbol of what hasn't been destroyed by Bush and Rove. A symbol of honor and integrity and it is embodied by Patrick Fitzgerald. A man doing his job. With nothing but truth for tools.

Rove's reach is long and sticky. I am sure he is pulling in all markers right now as he is backed into a corner. If a honoreable law man like Patrick Fitzgerald cannot put this man out of the business for lying. Then we all will lose.

Leopold reported what he felt he had to. I believe Rove has been indicted but America is still unaware of the stranglehold the Rove personally has on the media. The scope of which is clearly evident to me...based on a series of connected "dots" spread across a wide area. Call it "chicken bones" if you want. But people do think differently than you do. And we are no less wrong for making projections and conclusion based on action and motives that other are making in this extremely complicated affair."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

From Sue: Agreed. This is the white house. We may know alot about history, but we really don't know exactly how this will play out between these cabinet members and an investigator. We don't know what really sensitive information will be released if some players start talking about these events in order to save themselves.

It's quite possible that so much has changed since friday that Leopold's story started out true, and then in the course of the week, was forgotten or changed. Leopold has no control over events.

I still wonder why no GOP pundits will defend Rove or why he doesn't get a clean bill of health. And going to speak in Lake county Ill. doesn't prove anything either way. If anything, it makes me wonder why he'd go to a county level event at all. Possibly because it's the only invitation he's gotten?????????

He's that toxic for a reason. It's no accident. And Fitz has all the proof he needs.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:35 PM
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13. Does anyone else feel like a cow on the way to slaughter?
These threads remind me of the cattle walks NYPD uses to keep protestors under control.

:insert smiley mooing:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
49. Cow to a slaughter? Over a story on Truthout?
I'm not sure about the simile, could you elaborate? MKJ
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #49
81. Talking about being lead away from the rest of GD in these
special threads.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #13
73. exactly like that
I feeling clostraphobic today in here.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #13
88. I think I saw logic slaughtered Friday night,-- think caprice did it.
And I'm startled to see loyalty slaughtering fact.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:36 PM
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14. *** BREAKING *** RawStory Has Learned:
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. seriously,the only thing Raw Story has is that Dick Armitage is the target
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:42 PM
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18. This has become a battle of wills...
neither side wants to be the first to stop posting on these threads out of fear the other will claim victory. It is actually quite amusing when you step back from it a bit :)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Okay... I'm Done.
For tonight. It's time to prepare dinner.

Bis morgen!
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #18
30. Battle of wills?
No, it's become a safety blanket for all the Leopold APOLOGISTS who no longer have to do anything but go, "YAWN, gee this is SOOO Boring.." while those that have a true interest in REALITY and Honest reporting are forced to "Build their case" about how SCREWED and Sloppy the Leopold article was/is (yeah even that thread like others of interest WENT AWAY so all that PROOF is gone), and have people come to a thread and actually DEFEND "Moving the goalposts" and "the 24 Bullshit Blockbuster Video Counter Biz Hours are LONG PAST"

One poster had SIX valid questions he wanted answered "theboss", and all that went right down the drain.. like spreading a car out all over the yard, and having the guy who HIT your car say, "So, what's the big deal, where's the damage?"

Leopold Apologists got a free Love Tunnel out of this and their reactions are basically a big "fuck you, I don't have to answer, or I'll just sit this out and then make more shit up later, claiming the Leopold SCOOP - they'll FLOOD this Love Tunnel and OWN the subject with NO Responsibility to answer, like voting for the Class School President, which this is NOT what it's all about.

I'm sorry Skinner, but this to way too constraining and I think it's unfair, you can't DEBATE this way if you wanted to, even if all attacks by anyone ceased.

Free Pass for the Leopold Apologists, even if it's done in good faith as I see it (and no this is not ME calling anyone in admin or anyone else a Fuckwit).. How can I tell? I wasn't getting PM's going "HAHAHAHA GOOD LUCK." before from fans of Sloppy Joe Leopold, rather it was, "How can they defend this section of the article?"

Sure solved the problem of attacks tho. No pressure at all for a bullshit article, no need for anything but Belief. So much for Truth in the Media, at least our side.

Enjoy your love tunnel, give that Dumbass Symbolman a few classy kicks in the ass on his way out, and enjoy your "faith based" Media that NO ONE else will take seriously.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #30
68. oh shit, "FAITH BASED MEDIA"
that's just too too good
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #30
71. Can you hear my wild applause?
It's sort of like this, isn't it? (But, really, it's ok to have these dedicated threads - consider the poor moderators and how weird their jobs have been this past week - it's ok, I think - so don't go, sman.........)

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #18
51. There's some filtering here, too. Those who are passionately invested
in seeing Truthout go down in flames and those of us who are waiting to see how events play out continue to post here. MKJ
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #51
64. Who Passionately Wants TruthOut To Go Down In Flames?
And why would they want such a thing to happen to TruthOut?

Aside from the fact that their home page needs an updated and NEW-n-improved layout... WHICH people really want them to disappear?

Is that how the folks who are critical of the story, author, editorial staff are being portrayed? Anyone who questions the story's accuracy or the writer's ethics is now an enemy of TruthOut?

Shirley you jest, or surely I misread your post. I find it difficult to believe that people are truly that paranoid and feeling THAT victimized.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #64
75. Who cares about TruthOut?
It's not relevant to the accuracy of what was put forward as solid news.

Naw, I'm interested in the facts and the truth and how some good people are fooled by those with less-than-acceptable standards.

And, please, don't call him Shirley.

Interesting, though, how things morph in people's minds, and one's interest in debunking falsehoods becomes a desire to crush some website.

Have the 24 business hours elapsed yet? I've lost track of cosmic time and my watch battery won't go along.

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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #75
107. Yes! That's What I'm Talking About.
Thank you.
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #51
70. I am passionately invested in Truthout living up to it's name.
well, maybe not so passionate, but INTERESTED.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
21. TOMORROW IS D-DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For la Rove.

:bounce: :toast: :party: :hippie: :+ :D :) :7 B-) :smoke: :beer: :thumbsup: :hi: :kick: :puffpiece: :headbang: :woohoo: :applause: :tinfoilhat: :popcorn: :rofl:
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deansyawp Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:55 PM
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26. Fitz apparently in Chicago today
From the thread over at TalkLeft

Posted by fireback
May 18, 2006 02:50 PM
For what its worth, I just got off the phone with the receptionist for Randall Samborn, the spokesman for Fitzgerald. I asked if Mr. Fitzgerald was in Chicago or Washington.

She said he was in Chicago.

Here's to a late afternoon/night or early morning flight to DC.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:58 PM
Original message
PLEASE 'splain the significance of that
for those of us who are bad at geography.
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deansyawp Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:17 PM
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38. Well
needless to say if Fitz is staying in Chicago he ain't appearing before the Grand Jury to ask for an indictment or holding any press conferences re: Rove.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. Really?
Does Fitzgerald have to be there for the grand jury to hand down any indictments?

Really?
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deansyawp Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #52
77. Well
As a newbie (and decidedly NAL) I know I'm likely to be shown a fool for trying to reply here, but, yes, I'm sure that one of his ADA's could be there to ask the GJ for an indictment, but somehow I think that for this momentous event Fitzgerald himself would show up?

And, similarly (and here again I wade in above my head or at least my hips) while I hear they've got a press along with hot dogs and that lake thingy in Chicago, I'm guessing Fitz would be more likely to handle questions on this most national of cases in DC.

But whadda I know?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #77
82. Welcome to DU
You having fun yet?

You're brave, and you're going to enjoy DU. You are.

Good for you.

Couldn't there be a press conference in Chicago, announcing whatever needed to be announced? The location really is irrelevant, since there are far more important things going on.

You know plenty. Trust it.
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deansyawp Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #82
99. Thanks
for the welcome.

And you are probably right. I suppose no reason he wouldn't announce what needed to be announced in Chicago. While chomping on a dog, covered with that celery salt I hear they have to use.

I still think he'd show up personally (rather than send an ADA) to make the request to the GJ to indict, that seems to be his style, but, as I said, IANAL.


But wait, more important things than this, all seven (plus many many more) threads worth ... that's, to quote Ralph Wiggum, unpossible!
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #52
92. nah, I think all he has to do is FedEx a ham sandwich. nt
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #38
56. Why can't he hold a press conference in Chicago?
Don't they have press there?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. NO, THEY DO NOT
They have hot dogs, though, and celery salt.

And, uh, you know, that big water thing. It's wet.

But, no. There is no press in Chicago.

Whew. I'm glad we explained that. Who knows what might have happened?

Nice catch, Harper.......................
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deansyawp Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. celery salt? n/t
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #65
76. For the hot dogs
It's mandatory in Chicago.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:58 PM
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28. I have a dream.
Moove it...moove it...mooove it.
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. why does the Big Richard have white lace panties rolled up
around his unhipness?
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #32
39. Rove has got em too.
Must be a thang.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 05:58 PM
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29. BREAKING: JASON LEOPOLD TO OUT SOURCES
Since it's been past the 24 hours, Jason Leopold is officially burned by his sources, and he promised to out his sources if the story proved false.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. No
Until it's 100% clear that Rove wasn't indicted on May 12, your claim that JL was "officially burned" is pure nitwittery.

If the "24 busines hours" thing doesn't hold true but the indictment is dated May 12, I would say the story was essentially true and the sources good.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:24 PM
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45. No
24 business hours means 24 hours. It got contorted to mean 72 hours or 3 business days. We're past that.

Fitzgerald does not have a history of getting indictments and sitting on them for a full week.

Leopold said there was going to be a press conference yesterday, and that did not happen.

It's clear Leopold is officially burned at this point - he needs to out his sources like he said he would.

The only thing we don't have is an indictment dated May 12, and that is because IT DOESN'T EXIST!

So it is 100% clear the story is bunk.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. No
Even if it don't happen until next week, if the date on the indictment is May 12 then the story was essentially legit.

Anyone saying otherwise would need to check their bias.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. Leopold didn't say
...he would out his sources if there was an indictment dated May 12. He said he'd out his sources if they burned him.

He is clearly burned at this point and needs to out his sources.

He said there would be a press conference yesterday.

Didn't happen.

He said Rove had 24 hours to get his affairs in order. Then something - unspecified - would happen.

Nothing has happened.

He is burned.

Toast.

Unreliable.

Less reputable than Wayne Masdsen now.

Done.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #59
72. No
Edited on Thu May-18-06 06:45 PM by Harper_is_Bush
See post #35. I shouldn't have to repeat myself in such a short sub-thread.

EDIT: in case it's not clear, this is in regards to you claiming "He is clearly burned at this point"
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #35
104. if the date on the indictment is May 12
Edited on Thu May-18-06 07:37 PM by Jigarotta
I will fly down there to kiss Willie's hairy beer mug. just for fun, mind you. and only if a ticket is provided.
and if I'm compensated for lost revenue.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #29
102. If that source is really
from within Fitz's team or the fed. government, they could lose their job for leaking this info. Somehow, Leopold's willingness to reveal his sources if he feels wronged doesn't make me think any higher of his journalistic credentials here.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:07 PM
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31. Breaking news........... Rove still not indicted and...........
Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead

update at 11


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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:13 PM
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34. BREAKING WIND: smell at 11 nt
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. If the smell is not until 11 then the wind is not breaking at this time.
nt
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #37
55. slow winds, slow minds, extra special busyness hours.
on certain blue moon periods. It all figures.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. Your articulate and brilliant ripostes continue to astound. n/t
MKJ
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #44
58. So is tomorrow the day?
Or am I clutching at straws?
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. It has to be tomorrow
There's no way Rove is walking.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:43 PM
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69. STANDING WITH WILL!!!!!!!!
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. How many of you are still buying this crap?
Hopefully you are the only one.

You do understand that everywhere other than DU and Truthout, this disproven bullshit from a disgraced journalist has been dismissed and laughed off.

I understand. You have seen bush and his cronies get away with all kinds of things and they deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison. I agree with you -- BUT you should use some common sense and not believe everything you read.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #78
87. Oh, you doubter and evil, evil person
How dare you inject reality, knowledge, reason, intelligence, and confidence in this matter?

You really are axing for it, you arrogant truthsayer, you.

In the old days, people like you got burned at the steak. Medium rare. No celery salt.

(Congratulations, and welcome to what has become - or so it seems to me - The Dark Side)

heh heh heh

Welcome.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. LOL thank you
I suspect that there will be much more of us in the coming days.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. You should see the PMs I've gotten
Remarkable number. From people who agree with what I've been posting, but who are afraid - yes, that's the word - to respond on the boards because of the nastiness that's been demonstrated by people who didn't agree with my thinking.

Imagine that. On a place as grand as DU, the behavior of these people who refuse to accept reality - or even tolerate an opinion different from theirs - free speech was suddenly something to avoid, and so people sent Private Messages because they were afraid to speak out.

This whole exercise has been a remarkable lesson in intolerance, meanspiritedness, and, above all, the sad state of how people do not want others to express themselves, just so that they can continue to believe in an easily demonstrated and immediately debunked false story.

It's been a real interesting dynamic.

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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #93
98. Classic groupthink behavior...
reminds me a lot of the way many americans acted after 9/11... the whole with us or against us thing.

The same people who are complaining that media lies daily are willing to believe this completely unsubstantiated piece of piffle.

They have truly become what they most hate. It serves no purpose than to make all leftist internet activity look bad.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:48 PM
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108. It has been mean-spirited and ugly on both sides.../nt
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #69
100. hmmm. about 'standing'
It is a somewhat valiant thing, I have had those thoughts. but not for some stranger on one of the nets.

I would stand by my close friends and family, no matter what they did wrongly. (but give them a secret slap upside the head for getting themselves in the mess in the first place) but I would stand because they mean something to me, and I mean something to them.

I'm talking about real life now. not 0's and 1's personalties.
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Innoma Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:48 PM
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80. It all comes down to which way the knives are pointing...
I just can't wrap my head around this whole Rove Indictment thing - if its true, there certainly has been no real confirmation of it, yet if its a farce, the talking heads sure seem to be steering clear of it as well, which I find entirely out of character. What gives? I suppose, if pressed, I can see why many might doubt the veracity of a Leopold or Madsen, but Pitt? He hardly seems like the kinda guy who would whole-heartedly endorse someone who seems to be turning into our version of Judith Miller. I find myself at a loss.

I would certainly hope Leopold and Pitt are vindicated, because it would represent a double coup - getting rid of Rove and bolstering the perception of alternative news sources would be nothing to sneeze at, but if they are wrong, there will be plenty blood and sharks in the water, and that's something I'd hate to witness. One thing is certain, however - tomorrow ought to be mighty interesting one way or another.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:54 PM
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86. Rove will be in Chicago tomorrow!!!!
Attending a couple of fundraisers.

http://www.dailyherald.com/news/lakestory.asp?id=190131&cc=l&tc=&t=

Break out the :tinfoilhat:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:07 PM
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97. ONLY TWO RECOMMENDS????????
AND NOW IT DIES AN IGNOBLE DEATH. 'tis a shame.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #97
101. Well, we're airing our laundry in public again with the recommends.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:34 PM
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103. Fuck the public. n/t
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:47 PM
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106. Yeah, fuck the rifts we're creating here, too.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #105
110. good poll
Edited on Thu May-18-06 07:55 PM by Snivi Yllom
but there is no way it's gets posted without getting pulled

time for number
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #105
111. sigh
Truth be told, I'm just pissed about the whole situation.

1) You know Rove is a dirty tricks bastard. Therefore, never trust a single source, go for several.

2) You know even if you're told bad info in good faith, if you run with it and it's proven false, you've got a major black eye.

3) If Rove is going to get indicted, it's not going to be kept a secret! Trying to break a story that WILL BREAK IF IT HAPPENS a little bit early and risking your reputation on that is foolish.

4) Having royally and publically fucked up, you sould have the grace to admit it, take your lumps, and not poison the well.

This whole fiasco is causing us more problems than it's causing the Pukes. It's shameful. It's the same sort of circular firing squad activity that Dems are famous for. The Pukes are busy stabbing themselves in the crotch with a knife repeatedly and we go and slip on a banana peel and crack our skulls open. Great way to take advantage of the situation, folks.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:50 PM
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109. Let's kick the new one up! Number 8 please!
Edited on Thu May-18-06 07:52 PM by jazzjunkysue
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:53 PM
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112. kick: Everyone's waiting for Henry the 8th! ...tic.tic.tic Lock Me!!!!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 07:54 PM
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113. Lock, me Rhonda, Lock, Lock me Rhonda......
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:00 PM
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114. it's 9 o'clock WHERE'S THE BEEF!
no indictment manana
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RoadRunner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:02 PM
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115. Locking
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