I would think a person would lose that after plagiarizing part of a story from The Financial Times.
Jesus christ! When I was in journalism school, plagiarism was a cardinal sin. If I would have done that I would have been expelled from the university. It's amazing that people are still willing to hire hack writers like Leopold. I guess people will believe anything if it's what they want to hear.
12. I agree with LeftHander from thread 5: This is complicated, and still
completely up in the air.
Do you put everyone on ignore who disagrees with you? Sounds like a real boring read. If you already know everyone is going to take your point of view, what's the point of coming in here, at all?
BTW, I really agree with what LeftHander said and I've re-posted it. So, now you have to put me on ignore, too.
LeftHander's point about TO and Rove:
"I think the reason why Rove is such a hot target is because he has directly influenced this Administration and helped facilitate turning the GOP into a NeoCon stooge.
It probably could be stated that had it not been for Karl Rove. There would be no GW Bush as President.
So when it becomes clear that Karl Rove's head is possibly on the chopping block it could mean that many many other things will fall into the gallows as well.
Can you or I stop the war? Can you or I stop Halliburton and Cheney from sucking off the nation?
But we see one person who is symbol of what is left in America. A symbol of what hasn't been destroyed by Bush and Rove. A symbol of honor and integrity and it is embodied by Patrick Fitzgerald. A man doing his job. With nothing but truth for tools.
Rove's reach is long and sticky. I am sure he is pulling in all markers right now as he is backed into a corner. If a honoreable law man like Patrick Fitzgerald cannot put this man out of the business for lying. Then we all will lose.
Leopold reported what he felt he had to. I believe Rove has been indicted but America is still unaware of the stranglehold the Rove personally has on the media. The scope of which is clearly evident to me...based on a series of connected "dots" spread across a wide area. Call it "chicken bones" if you want. But people do think differently than you do. And we are no less wrong for making projections and conclusion based on action and motives that other are making in this extremely complicated affair."
From Sue: Agreed. This is the white house. We may know alot about history, but we really don't know exactly how this will play out between these cabinet members and an investigator. We don't know what really sensitive information will be released if some players start talking about these events in order to save themselves.
It's quite possible that so much has changed since friday that Leopold's story started out true, and then in the course of the week, was forgotten or changed. Leopold has no control over events.
I still wonder why no GOP pundits will defend Rove or why he doesn't get a clean bill of health. And going to speak in Lake county Ill. doesn't prove anything either way. If anything, it makes me wonder why he'd go to a county level event at all. Possibly because it's the only invitation he's gotten?????????
He's that toxic for a reason. It's no accident. And Fitz has all the proof he needs.
No, it's become a safety blanket for all the Leopold APOLOGISTS who no longer have to do anything but go, "YAWN, gee this is SOOO Boring.." while those that have a true interest in REALITY and Honest reporting are forced to "Build their case" about how SCREWED and Sloppy the Leopold article was/is (yeah even that thread like others of interest WENT AWAY so all that PROOF is gone), and have people come to a thread and actually DEFEND "Moving the goalposts" and "the 24 Bullshit Blockbuster Video Counter Biz Hours are LONG PAST"
One poster had SIX valid questions he wanted answered "theboss", and all that went right down the drain.. like spreading a car out all over the yard, and having the guy who HIT your car say, "So, what's the big deal, where's the damage?"
Leopold Apologists got a free Love Tunnel out of this and their reactions are basically a big "fuck you, I don't have to answer, or I'll just sit this out and then make more shit up later, claiming the Leopold SCOOP - they'll FLOOD this Love Tunnel and OWN the subject with NO Responsibility to answer, like voting for the Class School President, which this is NOT what it's all about.
I'm sorry Skinner, but this to way too constraining and I think it's unfair, you can't DEBATE this way if you wanted to, even if all attacks by anyone ceased.
Free Pass for the Leopold Apologists, even if it's done in good faith as I see it (and no this is not ME calling anyone in admin or anyone else a Fuckwit).. How can I tell? I wasn't getting PM's going "HAHAHAHA GOOD LUCK." before from fans of Sloppy Joe Leopold, rather it was, "How can they defend this section of the article?"
Sure solved the problem of attacks tho. No pressure at all for a bullshit article, no need for anything but Belief. So much for Truth in the Media, at least our side.
Enjoy your love tunnel, give that Dumbass Symbolman a few classy kicks in the ass on his way out, and enjoy your "faith based" Media that NO ONE else will take seriously.
It's sort of like this, isn't it? (But, really, it's ok to have these dedicated threads - consider the poor moderators and how weird their jobs have been this past week - it's ok, I think - so don't go, sman.........)
Posted by fireback May 18, 2006 02:50 PM For what its worth, I just got off the phone with the receptionist for Randall Samborn, the spokesman for Fitzgerald. I asked if Mr. Fitzgerald was in Chicago or Washington.
She said he was in Chicago.
Here's to a late afternoon/night or early morning flight to DC.
As a newbie (and decidedly NAL) I know I'm likely to be shown a fool for trying to reply here, but, yes, I'm sure that one of his ADA's could be there to ask the GJ for an indictment, but somehow I think that for this momentous event Fitzgerald himself would show up?
And, similarly (and here again I wade in above my head or at least my hips) while I hear they've got a press along with hot dogs and that lake thingy in Chicago, I'm guessing Fitz would be more likely to handle questions on this most national of cases in DC.
from within Fitz's team or the fed. government, they could lose their job for leaking this info. Somehow, Leopold's willingness to reveal his sources if he feels wronged doesn't make me think any higher of his journalistic credentials here.
You do understand that everywhere other than DU and Truthout, this disproven bullshit from a disgraced journalist has been dismissed and laughed off.
I understand. You have seen bush and his cronies get away with all kinds of things and they deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison. I agree with you -- BUT you should use some common sense and not believe everything you read.
Remarkable number. From people who agree with what I've been posting, but who are afraid - yes, that's the word - to respond on the boards because of the nastiness that's been demonstrated by people who didn't agree with my thinking.
Imagine that. On a place as grand as DU, the behavior of these people who refuse to accept reality - or even tolerate an opinion different from theirs - free speech was suddenly something to avoid, and so people sent Private Messages because they were afraid to speak out.
This whole exercise has been a remarkable lesson in intolerance, meanspiritedness, and, above all, the sad state of how people do not want others to express themselves, just so that they can continue to believe in an easily demonstrated and immediately debunked false story.
It is a somewhat valiant thing, I have had those thoughts. but not for some stranger on one of the nets.
I would stand by my close friends and family, no matter what they did wrongly. (but give them a secret slap upside the head for getting themselves in the mess in the first place) but I would stand because they mean something to me, and I mean something to them.
I'm talking about real life now. not 0's and 1's personalties.
80. It all comes down to which way the knives are pointing...
I just can't wrap my head around this whole Rove Indictment thing - if its true, there certainly has been no real confirmation of it, yet if its a farce, the talking heads sure seem to be steering clear of it as well, which I find entirely out of character. What gives? I suppose, if pressed, I can see why many might doubt the veracity of a Leopold or Madsen, but Pitt? He hardly seems like the kinda guy who would whole-heartedly endorse someone who seems to be turning into our version of Judith Miller. I find myself at a loss.
I would certainly hope Leopold and Pitt are vindicated, because it would represent a double coup - getting rid of Rove and bolstering the perception of alternative news sources would be nothing to sneeze at, but if they are wrong, there will be plenty blood and sharks in the water, and that's something I'd hate to witness. One thing is certain, however - tomorrow ought to be mighty interesting one way or another.
Truth be told, I'm just pissed about the whole situation.
1) You know Rove is a dirty tricks bastard. Therefore, never trust a single source, go for several.
2) You know even if you're told bad info in good faith, if you run with it and it's proven false, you've got a major black eye.
3) If Rove is going to get indicted, it's not going to be kept a secret! Trying to break a story that WILL BREAK IF IT HAPPENS a little bit early and risking your reputation on that is foolish.
4) Having royally and publically fucked up, you sould have the grace to admit it, take your lumps, and not poison the well.
This whole fiasco is causing us more problems than it's causing the Pukes. It's shameful. It's the same sort of circular firing squad activity that Dems are famous for. The Pukes are busy stabbing themselves in the crotch with a knife repeatedly and we go and slip on a banana peel and crack our skulls open. Great way to take advantage of the situation, folks.
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