My father just sent me a link to Yahoo/Rove story.

[chrisbur]

This is getting pretty weird. The yahoo article is from Huffpo and references Leopold's article. If this story is not true we all just might lose some credibility.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060514/cm_huffpost/020957

[EFerrari]

1. Oh, please. The corporate media publishes thousands of

stories every day that are total bullshit but we're going to lose credibility because one well intentioned story @ truthout might be wrong?

LOL!

[chrisbur]

6. Different standards.

These are rules of the game we are playing.

Trust me, I hope you're right.

[EFerrari]

12. Only if you choose to play by their rules.

:)

/o

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. It's true. Not to worry.

;)

[tridim]

3. "If this story is not true"

It will have nothing to do with our (or JL's) credibility. "We" are credible, BushCo is not.

[Patsy Stone]

4. Is your name Jason Leopold?

Are you involved with Truthout? Is your name Bob Cesca? Nope, didn't think so. Unless you've bought ad space on the side of a building already and put up a Karl's Indicted! banner, you probably won't lose credibility. As for the rest of us, I think we can look out for ourselves, thanks.

[chrisbur]

10. Nope.

I'm just a guy who votes,donates money, writes letters and calls his representatives and sends a lot of e-mails to friends and relatives who spend a lot of time watching CNN and Fox.

[Midlodemocrat]

5. Who's we?

[HereSince1628]

7. Not me, but Leopold and Truthout.

And rw world will run through the weekends fitzmas like a fratboy that found his roomies stash of cross-dressing supplies.

[MADem]

8. What's this "we all" shit???

I'm not quaking in MY boots. It is either accurate right now, or it'll be accurate eventually.

No one goes before the Grand Jury as many times as Junior Fat Bastard and escapes without consequence. He's toast. The only question is, is he lightly browned or burnt to a crisp?

Credibility??? Please. We aren't a monolithic entity. We're individuals. And "we all" didn't write the article, so the onus isn't on us.

Enough with the "abandon hope" attitude. It's unhelpful.

[chrisbur]

13. Ooh quite a meany aren't we?

Why, I haven't abandoned hope at all. Just had an argument with a friend yesterday about abandoning hope. He thinks all Pols are the same.

[MADem]

14. I'm not a meany. Your post had a distinct

"Oooooh, noooooo...the sky is falling!" quality about it. We all? Credibility?

Come on.

[chrisbur]

17. OK

Perhaps my post should have read something more like: Geez, I should be more careful about and less eager to send out uncorroborated internet stories to my sheep like email contacts. They too seem to be getting caught up in the emotion. The irony was that he sent me a link to Yahoo News with a Huffington Post article that referenced (whaddyaknow?) Jason Leopold as it's only source.

I guess the antithesis of my sky is falling post would be the post on "Greatest" page right now that says someone named Tom Edsall said: "I think we will know very soon, perhaps as soon as early afternoon. No guarantee, however." He might as well say: Everybody be sure to buy a lot of newspapers and watch a lot of commercials today.

I see your point though.

[MADem]

18. Let's put the guy's head in the stocks with this clown, then

After all, he broke it first! LAST WEEK, in fact!!! http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/12/matthews-on-rove-indictment-it-could-be-today/

I don't think "we all" put our "credibility" on the line for the likes of him....

[zanne]

23. I'm so glad I'm a cynic.

No disappointment this time.

[progressivebydesign]

19. Sadly, when you have low post numbers, people can be mean.

It's something I've seen more in the past year here, than in the entire 5 or so I've been here. Hang in there.. when your post numbers go up, people will get much more polite toward you, and your threads won't be scrutinized for any sign of "infiltrator".

I wasn't offended in the least by what you wrote. It's easy to get concerned and discouraged... but hang in there!

[karlrschneider]

21. Not just low post counts...I've been flamed a lot recently for

being a bit skeptical of all the glee over a story that gets stinkier by the hour. Just as I become more cynical as time goes by. ;-)

[chrisbur]

24. It's funny.

I've been reading DU since about Nov. 3, 2004. I just don't post much because what I am thinking is usually covered pretty quickly and it so often leads to arguments anyway.

The irony is that in real life I'm considered absurdly far left but here I'm just not cool.

To be fair, MaDem has a point. He should probably go after the flurry of posters that are saying we've been played. Ooops. There i go with that "we" again. I apologize. I did not mean to imply any sense of solidarity amongst DU'ers. Certainly not between those with high post counts and those with low post counts.

[bigtree]

9. it is getting weird

I just saw news anchors from 'major' news outlets lie about each and every story that concerned the Bush regime. I think this could hurt theircredibility too! :scared:

[flyarm]

11. then theybetter start with tweety and imus ..because they broke it first

friday morning!!

tweety yes tweety said it was coming down friday!

on imus in the morning!

go after msm first!

and thursday show on tweety he said his show on friday was going to be about the cia leak case..and then it wasn't@

fly

[MADem]

15. Profoundly important point--Tweety was foaming at the mouth

All excited about having to work late, too!

[tulsakatz]

22. I hadn't heard that!

thanks for the info..........I usually don't watch Tweety anymore since he's usually sucking up to the Republicans!

Mostly I base my opinion about this on David Shuster's reports. I think he is an expert on this case and he said last week that this indictment is practically a done deal.

This is what he said on Olbermann last monday:

Karl Rove‘s legal team has told me that they expect that a decision will come sometime in the next two weeks. And I am convinced that Karl Rove will, in fact, be indicted. And there are a couple of reasons why.

First of all, you don‘t put somebody in front of a grand jury at the end of an investigation, or for the fifth time, as Karl Rove testified a couple—a week and a half ago, unless you feel that‘s your only chance of avoiding indictment. So, in other words, the burden starts with Karl Rove to stop the charges.

Secondly, it‘s now been 13 days since Rove testified. After testifying for three and a half hours, prosecutors refused to give him any indication that he was clear. He has not gotten any indication since then, and the lawyers that I‘ve spoken with outside of this case say that if Rove had gotten himself out of the jam, he would have heard something by now.

And then the third issue is one we‘ve talked about before, and that is, in the Scooter Libby indictment, Karl Rove was identified as Official A. It‘s the term that prosecutors use when they try to get around restrictions on naming somebody in an indictment.

We‘ve looked through the records of Patrick Fitzgerald from when he was prosecuting cases in New York, and from when he‘s been U.S. attorney in Chicago. And in every single investigation, whenever Fitzgerald has identified somebody as Official A, that person eventually gets indicted themselves, in every single investigation.

Will Karl Rove defy history in this particular case? I suppose anything is possible when you‘re dealing with a White House official. But the lawyers that I‘ve been speaking with, who know this stuff, say, Don‘t bet on Karl Rove getting out of this.

And another good point that Shuster made at another time....when Fitzgerald was at one of the Libby proceedings, he went to great pains not to mention Rove's name. At one point, Libby's lawyer even asked Fitzgerald a specific question about Rove. Fitzgerald said he was not going to talk about Rove. Shuster said that attorneys usually don't speak about a person in one proceeding if they are planning on indicting that person later on.

[jarnocan]

16. Wow

NOT a mention in the AM news but I sure hope something will break soon. L_O_N_G over due. I hope we will all feel like doing this soon1

Thank you Patrick Fitzgerald!
------------------------------
http://thankyoupatrickfitzgerald.org/
You may post your thanks to him here.

[Inland]

20. kicked and recommended!!!!!!!

[applegrove]

25. Yup - Keep the narrative going that we will all loose credibility because

sources lied and that leopold's career will be over. Keep it up.

:rofl:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

26. yeah, the big boys might take our quarters.