This is TYRANNY and this is PERSONAL!

[kurth]

Now Its Personal
A. Alexander, May 11th, 2006

This isn't political. This isn't politics as usual. This isn't partisan. This isn't about Right versus Left. This isn't about Democrat and Republican. This is TYRANNY and this is PERSONAL!

George W. Bush lied when he said NSA's spying wasn't a domestic program. It is exactly a domestic spy program and what's more AT&T, BellSouth, and Verizon have been assisting the Bush government in creating what is being described as, "he largest database ever assembled in the world," and the goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within America's borders.

This is by definition, TYRANNY. Therefore, the Congress of the United States of America -- especially Republicans within the Legislative Branch -- has but one choice: Impeach George Walker Bush IMMEDIATELY.

... George Walker Bush knowingly and willfully, in the most egregious manner possible abused the rights of the American people. He, by his own admission, ordered NSA to spy upon innocent Americans. To achieve these ends he employed the nation's telecommunications companies and like a common rapist did, without consent of the victims, conspire to steal from them their unalienable rights and dignity. Further, when these acts committed against the American people were discovered the President of the United States, George Walker Bush, lied about the nature and frequency of his crimes against both the Constitution and the people.

http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?id=1128&ARCHIVAL=TRUE

[bullimiami]

1. it is approaching a crisis point. either the system will function and

congress will rein in this misadministration or they will start arresting and jailing people like a. alexander.
they have all the evidence they will think they need right here and there wont be an trials or lawyers.

[motocicleta]

3. it really feels like that kind of crisis point now, doesn't it?

I thought it was just me, being stressed about my personal future, school, etc. I'm starting to think the stress is society-wide and is reaching redline.

[bullimiami]

12. i agree, its society wide and its reaching redline. right on the money.

[AuntiBush]

38. You are Certainly Not Alone!

Same. Here. The panic-stress of a paranoid society is thick in the air. Agree with post follow-up #1, too.

Never in a million years did I think I'd witness this. Keeping asking "why" but its past that now.

[BelgianMadCow]

26. I think it will be jailing time

I'm sorry to say. Look at the greatest, several examples...

[Seabiscuit]

35. The system can't function so long as it's dominated by Repukes and

the Dems are torn asunder from within its own party (= fuck you, DLC!)

[European Socialist]

2. If his lips are moving--you know he's lying.--IMPEACH NOW!!!!!!

[watrwefitinfor]

4. K & R

[Dhalgren]

5. This really is the turning point. Nothing can be the same after this.

Either the congress will do its job and defend the Constitution or we will all have to admit that we are no longer living in the United States of America. The reality of this egregious crime is now complete and no one can say that it isn't true. This will have to be faced, one way or the other. This cannot be left until the elections, this is a crisis of monumental concern. The fire is raging through our home; what do we do?

[No New War]

32. Exactly

This is our last chance to stand up for democracy in this country. If it fails here, nothing short of violence will restore our rights.

[kestrel91316]

6. I don't want him merely impeached. I want him tried, convicted, and

hanged. Along with EVERY LAST PERSON in his administration.

[MindPilot]

8. Hanged alongside the CEOs of the companies that aided

and abetted the commission of treason.

[stepnw1f]

7. This is More Like It

This is tyranny... wiretapping, torturing, illegally invading a nation, then occupying it till it evolves into a civil war, deposing democratically elected leaders(HAITI)... on and on it goes.... just like Nazi Germany in the beginning. For you moderates who hate it when the left uses the title "Nazi", you are part of the problem by ignoring how extreme the current situation is.

[AllieB]

11. I used to be one of those moderates

now there is too much evidence and too many similarities to ignore.

[stepnw1f]

19. I Used to Be as Well

Now I am convinced these people have the same evil streak the Nazis did.

[AuntiBush]

40. It Sure Here.

Tyranny, right here in the once good ole' U.S. of A. RIP

[Broken_Hero]

9. great post

It's almost impossible for me to put into words, how upset this makes me, without my rant, being filled with crude language....nominated.

[rniel]

10. You almost feel like this is just a dream

It's hard to accept that this is happening in america. I think your brain just switches off.

[Tulum_Moon]

13. OMG!

This is just freaking me out!
I have verizon and make occasional overseas calls! My Gods are they tracking these?
It seems I don't know which way to turn. And yes it feels like I do want to switch it off.:shrug:

[paparush]

15. Yes..they have an agent assigned to you.

They have profiled you. They know EVERYTHING about you, and your family, and your friends. You have a FILE. You have been given a CASE NUMBER. You are probably being followed. They are probably directing satellite overflights of your home. Your trash is picked clean. All of your accounts are being monitored. Your name comes up in weekley status meetings.

[ReadTomPaine]

17. Why the snark, Rush?

They are tracking both international & domestic calls. It's a fact.

[paparush]

21. Not snarking really...just hyperbolizing...

[AuntiBush]

39. And I am Absolutely Heartbroken!

Verizon... feel like a fool, all these years. We heard clicks, strange sounds. Yes, it happens but how dare I look for justice for my dearly departed. Long story. Accident, horrible suffering. Ya get a lawyer and next thing you know you hear clicking sounds, all these years.

Now, its out. And I'm using Verizon right now. Guarantee one thing. If I have to use the cell-phone from here on out, and use old dial-out through anyone but them, I'll be shopping for a new phone/internet server in the morning.

And to think, I paid them monthly like clockwork. Hope someone got a good kick out of all my years of tears and suffering.

ME: <=== 1 really ticked-off Verizon customer.

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. Aunti, call them and read THIS to them and cancel their ass!

Maybe we could claim a breach of contract because they violated their own privacy policy?

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/footer/privacyPrinci...



Disclosure of Personally Identifiable Information
We enable you to control how and if we disclose your personally identifiable information to other persons or entities, except as required by law or to protect the safety of customers, employees or property or except when we share such information with agents, affiliates, suppliers, vendors, consultants and contractors who use it to provide or support our products and services.

Subject to these exceptions, we will share your personally identifiable information with persons or entities outside the company only when you have consented.

An example of when we would disclose personally identifiable information to an outside person or entity is when we are served with a subpoena for customer information. In such cases, we are required to release the information. Another example would be if we share personally identifiable information with other carriers and/or with law enforcement to prevent and investigate fraud and other unlawful use of communications services. A third example would be if we share with our affiliates personally identifiable information related to products or services you currently receive from them or us.


on edit, I forgot to add that this was posted on another thread. :hi:

[rman]

41. Same goes for you, dude

[ReadTomPaine]

16. Not just overseas. All of your calls are tracked, including domestic.

Every one. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. Call Verizon and charge BREACH OF CONTRACT and cancel them!

I'll go find the contract that's posted here. It states CLEARLY that they would not release any of your personal info unless subpoenaed. I'll post it here ASAP.

From the other thread.

Maybe we could claim a breach of contract because they violated their own privacy policy?

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/footer/privacyPrinci...



Disclosure of Personally Identifiable Information
We enable you to control how and if we disclose your personally identifiable information to other persons or entities, except as required by law or to protect the safety of customers, employees or property or except when we share such information with agents, affiliates, suppliers, vendors, consultants and contractors who use it to provide or support our products and services.

Subject to these exceptions, we will share your personally identifiable information with persons or entities outside the company only when you have consented.

An example of when we would disclose personally identifiable information to an outside person or entity is when we are served with a subpoena for customer information. In such cases, we are required to release the information. Another example would be if we share personally identifiable information with other carriers and/or with law enforcement to prevent and investigate fraud and other unlawful use of communications services. A third example would be if we share with our affiliates personally identifiable information related to products or services you currently receive from them or us.

[bdamomma]

14. More like a nightmare

if this happened in another country, the government would be ousted. enough is truly enough. This affects us all.

[SnowGoose]

18. I guess I shouldn't have used the home phone

to book a room at the Sativa Sisters bed and breakfast in Vancouver.

Oh well, it was worth it - really nice place.

[hamerfan]

29. The web isn't any safer,

so you may as well have used the phone. You gotta give your personal info out some way.
Man, I miss the Hemp BC web site! Glad to hear it was a great time. Someday I'll get there....
dumpbush

[coalition_unwilling]

33. In January, I was suddenly let go from a temp job at a telecom

(after having been formally offered the job as a permanent just the day before). At the time, it really creeped me out as the explanation that the manager gave me did not seem to add up. But since I was working for a "temp agency," I chalked it up to extremely poor management practices at the telecom. (It's name is PCS, btw.)

But with these latest revelations, it has made me wonder whether my name was in one of these massive government databases of dissidents and anti-war types and when PCS ran its "background check," my name came up as flagged.

Hmm, I guess I will never know. BTW: PCS is a really creepy place that preys on the most vulnerable sub-population of prison and jail inmates. They charge obscene amounts to inmates to place calls to their friends and family and have the capacity to record and monitor many, if not all, of those calls. In retrospect, I'm glad that the offer fell through, as I would have had to take a shower at the end of each day just to get the moral grime off.

[symbolman]

43. You're better off away from that slime

I've had to use their services to keep in touch with my wife from an Alabama jail cell - the creatures that jailed me for three weeks had no evidence and ADMITTED it during sentencing, it was a set up.

Then once in their hellhole (their jail has been compared to South African Prisons BY CONGRESS), my special number to call OUT didn't work, so I used the number off the wrist tag of the guy next to me..

I KNEW that the calls were being recorded, and listened to by these assholes so I started making all kinds of stink and noises about the conditions in that place to my sister and wife, telling them to CALL my CONGRESSMAN (in my home state), and my Lawyer and get the word out in the media.

It wasn't long before they moved me from the LOCKDOWN area (which is reserved for killers, the violent, and the insane), where I was laying on a concrete floor for 5 dsys, having NO VIOLENT record (only one DUI in 1980 during college, yeah, I'm a real bad person) - while the cell next to me had a guy making animals out of his own feces, and biting the heads off them before sending them down the toilet. He was flushing everything in his cell down the toilet, clothes, shoes, mattress..

I was moved into general population FAST to finish my 'sentence', which was from a pissed off Right Wing female Alabama Judge put in her throne by the Christian right, this, WHILE I was filming about CORRUPTION in the ELECTRONIC Voting machines in the very town and courthouse where they STOLE 6,500 votes in the dead of night. My wife was interviewing the last Democratic Gov of Alabama while they had me jailed in what I call the most corrupt county in the USA. The very Template for Electronic Voting theft was formed IN THAT COURTHOUSE, not 50 from where they sent me to rot, while we were making a FILM ABOUT Electronic voting THEFT.

Talk about putting your heart and soul into trying to get your country back - I've BEEN in the GULAG here.

Don't forget, it IS who you know and if they ARE recording and listening it doesn't hurt to have them find out you KNOW SOME IMPORTANT PEOPLE. It's the only way to get results in a lawless society, and that's exactly where we are now.

We are in the crossfire of a power struggle between Corporations, the Military, and Lawyers (those who Believe in TRUE Law, and those who are Federalist scumbags.) - toss the media in for Psyops and there's the whole story.

[Swede]

20. Doesn't this corporatism smack of fascism?

Forcing or coercing industry to break the law for the government.

[Hardrada]

22. I shouldn't have been saying anything

about ANARCHY or COMMUNISM!! Or THONGS! Seriously though, I wonder how long all this has been going on.

[barbtries]

23. i actually went

and looked up tyranny. you're right. will the government of the USA wake up in time to save the USA?

[gizmo1979]

24. I'd say our right to privacy rights went

out the window when democrats wouldn't back even a censure of the President.Once civil liberty's are gone it's very very diffucult to get them back.

[Paul1596]

25. We the People

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[BelgianMadCow]

27. .

[newyawker99]

49. Hi Paul1596!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Control-Z]

28. All I could do was shout obscenities

at the TV just now while NBC reported on this. How much more is this evil pig going to get away with? What else has he done that we don't know about yet? How much more will it take before people wake up and stop this madman? Man, I'm pissed.

Well, now I guess I should go apologize to my children for the outburst.

BTW - I try to recommend a thread every now and then but I've never have enough posts until I tried just now - so this is my first "recommend".

[Canuckistanian]

30. The first thing they tell you while training for the NSA...

... is that you never, ever, ever turn this massive weapon of intelligence gathering on the CITIZENS of The US.

It's drilled into your head, over and over again. There are even safeguards to protect it from happening even indvertently.

Until now.

K&R.

[mom cat]

31. I will be canceling my Verizon line tomorrow and just use Vonage.

[pdxmom]

34. There is no longer any way they can justify this. There are numerous

laws in the U.S. Code that seem to cover any way they are collecting this data.

I'm wondering if these are being collected in real time. If so, then it's using trap and trace or pen registers and that very CLEARLY, under federal law, requires a court order. End of story.

The use of the word "lawful" instead of "legal" that they use when discussing this is very well thought out. These mean two different things and I think it's evidence that, despite their protestations, they know full well that they are breaking the law.

And this country is letting them. The rubber stamp Congress, aided and abetted by the timid Democrats are letting them. It's time for all of this to come to a screeching halt.

This country has totally lost touch with what it truly means to be an American and what this country is supposed to be about. Every value and principle that this country was founded on is under attack and if something isn't done soon, our nation will crumble.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

36. Kick...

...eom.

[AuntiBush]

37. Is it possible for all outraged Americans

to start a lawsuit? I'm so mad at Verizon right now I could literally scream!

[Disturbed]

42. Will Gen Hayden be approved as CIA Chief?

I think he will be. Many Dems will vote yes.

[Nordmadr]

44. You know, just out of curiosity.

Yesterday, while I was trying to call my wife, I noticed that each time after the phone would ring in the receiver, the ring would be followed by an audible beep. It was the same kind of beep you would normally hear for a "calling waiting". I thought it was odd, and to be honest, I can't say that I wasn't somewhat concerned. Anybody have this kind of thing happen on their phone?

I'm sure in Germany the citizens started thinking they were paranoid, then realized...they weren't.

On Edit: I was worried and pissed before, now add a little freaked out.



Olafr

[musical_soul]

45. Agreed.

That POS needs to go.

[Mr_Spock]

46. I am SO angry about this violation.

I can't begin to describe the anger that bubbles deep deep within me when I read about this program.

There is NO valid reason that Bush could not have followed or changed the law to allow for this program. He chose to hide it from us and then lie about it - this is inexcusable. If he has to be impeached for this then so be it. I kind of enjoy having his crippled ass in the WH, but if he must go, he must go.

To find out that they have in addition thwarted Congressional oversight of the original NSA wiretapping discloser, thus making Bush unaccountable just blows my fucking mind. THIS is an impeachable offence even moreso, because he is refusing to allow Constitutional oversight of the executive by the legislative. He is required and swore to uphold the Constitution. He is refusing to comply with our laws and MUST be impeached immediately!

[loveandlight]

50. all of it has been personal

Everything this government has been doing moves in this direction. Some have already felt the personal touch, being caught on the flagged list at the airport or arrested while legally protesting or being spied on while gathering in legal anti-war groups. This particular outrage is just so large it has caught all of us in its net. No one can now say it does not affect them and say that with a straight face. This is just another logical step in the take over of our democracy.

I am really going to go out of my mind if we don't find a way to stop this though. Every day another outrage, and every day another step backward for Congress. Even as Bush's numbers continue to fall in the polls, when will our Congressional reps stand up to this insanity. The Constitution is in the trash, our governmental bodies are not allowed to fulfill their constitutionally mandated duties of oversight of one branch of government by the other. The executive is telling everyone to f*** off basically, and they all are standing back and saying okay. Why aren't we in the streets??? Fear, complacence, hopelessness? I do everything I can think of, write letters, call congresspeople, stand in the streets during protests. And it just gets worse and worse. I am crying inside every day.