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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 12:50 PM
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Economic Health May Be in Eye of Beholder
America's economy is strong. Or it's in trouble. It just depends on who's talking. Trying to retool his message and right his listing presidency, President Bush is speaking out more frequently and forcefully on the economy. It's in good shape right now, his advisers say, and they want him to take more credit for it. The latest reports show healthy increases in economic growth, job creation, home ownership, retail sales and consumer spending. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is at a six-year high. ``This economy is powerful, productive and prosperous and we intend to keep it that way,'' Bush says.

Across town, Democrats are peddling a different message: Soaring gasoline and health care costs are burdening ordinary people; mortgage costs and credit card rates are on the rise; jobs are threatened by outsourcing. As for those tax cuts treasured by Bush, Democrats argue they have benefited mainly the wealthy. ``There's no sharing in the prosperity that the president likes to herald,'' House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California said. Friday's unemployment report, showing the jobless rate holding steady at 4.7 percent with a lower-than-expected job-creation rate of 138,000 in April, was seized by both sides to buttress their great-economy/troubled-economy arguments.

Each party accuses the other of ``cherry picking'' statistics to bolster its case. Nearly every major national issue - Iraq, energy policy, immigration - already is politically polarized. Thus it's no surprise the economy is, too. So much so that Republicans and Democrats depict it in terms that are 180 degrees apart. ``One reason the president can't get a lot of traction when talking about the good economy is because it's not good for everyone,'' said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. ``If you're from a wealthier household, the economy is performing very well.

You have a job, your income is rising, your net worth is about as strong as it's ever been,'' Zandi said. ``If you're a lower or middle-income household, you're struggling. Your incomes aren't rising, certainly not as fast as inflation, so your standard of living is falling. You have debt and interest rates are rising,'' Zandi said. Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2004 and a 2008 presidential prospect, talks about ``two Americas'' - one for the poor, one for the rich. Many economists suggest parallel economies exist as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5806194,00.html
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:05 PM
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1. This economy is working only for the wealthiest 10%.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:13 PM
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4. I'd say it's more like the top 2%.
The next 8% is just taking and maintaining massive debt, and the reckoning is rapidly approaching.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:10 PM
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2. So is it even possible to have a meaningful discussion about this
topic when everybody on both sides are lying? Unemployment is really about 14%, inflation is easily 9%, the deficit is understated by, literally trillions. Liars, damn liars, and statistics.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:12 PM
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3. bushco has done the equivalent of placing the USA in..........
humongous credit card debt. The illusion of a great economy will have to be paid for in the future, after the bushco presidency nightmare remains a bad dream that we all continue to live with far onto the future. The greatest money grab in the history of the world continues for corporate america and the wealthy elite at the expense of a prosperous future for our nation. Where the hell are the REAL ECONOMISTS???? Must be muzzled with the REAL WEATHER METEOROLOGISTS.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:13 PM
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5. Exactly!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:31 PM
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7. Here's one...
http://www.weedenco.com/welling/Downloads/2006/0804welling022106.pdf
Really scary stuff, especially when viewed in context with what our "leaders" would have us believe.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:16 PM
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6. I don't blame "conservatives for rejecting reality
reality DOES have a powerful liberal, anti-king george bias
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 01:33 PM
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8. If you've still got a job that pays a living wage
then the economy is at least fair. If you're a low wage worker, then you've gone from barely tolerable to desperate very quickly as inflation has come roaring back with no wage hike in sight.

The "still have a decent job" category is a fairly large one, but for them the economy has gone from good to fair.

Only those in the investor class are looking at a decent economy and only if they managed to get out of real estate at least six months ago.
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