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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:01 PM
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Good 'ole DU
Have fun ladies. If I spend another minute at DU, I'll end up voting for McCain or some other batshit reactionary thing.

I left for awhile because I couldn't take the hate toward Clinton.

Now that there's a woman on the Republican ticket, it's open season on women again.

Fuck that. Fuck DU, fuck the people who call themselves Democrats. Fuck them all.

I'm ready to sit out the election but I won't. If I do have to hear supposed democrats spew the crap they're spewing today for the next 60 days... gah -- I just might. I am so fucking disillusioned. It's like the guy that's supposedly your friend but the minute he has one drink, he's all over you. Friend - yeah, right.

The next asshole who calls her a MILF or says something like how many inches he can give her - I don't know what I'd do. Maybe put some of my mad computer skillz to use but I try not to be evil.

And they really think they're not denigrating all women when they denigrate Palin for being female.

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:18 PM
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1. It's bad
And it's going to get worse.
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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 09:13 PM
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2. It's a bad place to be a woman
My blood pressure is going up as I read all the sexist crap on GD. I would have liked to believe (finally) that Democrats weren't misogynist but clearly the anonymity of the internet allows them to show their true colors.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:10 PM
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3. I don't know why I've been duking it out here
I'm a hardcore masochist I guess.

And it will only get worse.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:39 AM
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4. This year I really understood
that so-called liberal men are hypocritical backstabbers. At least the conservatives have an honest beef with me. The SNAGs just spout equality bullshit to get in our pants.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:54 AM
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5. Amen
:(
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:41 PM
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6. yeah there were some colossally sexist posts yesterday -
embarrassing. None of those types of questions and comments would have been made if the VP were a guy.


There are plenty of issues to skewer her on without resorting to sexist crap. :eyes:
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:56 PM
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7. If she leaned any further to the right
she'd fall right over.

Plenty of material there.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:24 PM
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12. exactly
good one...
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:36 PM
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8. The sexism and assorted bigotries apparent on DU...
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 07:46 PM by bliss_eternal
...ceased surprising me long ago. Sometime between the insanity of the SCOTUS nominations, the Duke rape situation and the handful of times I allowed myself to be sucked into hideous discussions where an underaged girl was being held responsible for being stalked and eventually raped by an on-line predator--etc., etc,, etc.

Don't even get me started on the countless other times I've been verbally assaulted, condescended to (called "girly", "honey", "dear", etc.) and have had my intelligence questioned and mocked, because I dared to speak out against other forms of bigotry (i.e. racism, homophobia, anti-semitism, etc.).

I am now numb to the myriad of failures and general obtuse nature of alleged progressive dudes on the internet (and unfortunately all too many female progressive dude apologists). :( Forgive me, that's just where I am. I understand if others aren't there and still "hope" for (and maybe even "expect") better. :hug:

Here's to hope. :toast:

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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:14 PM
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9. It's back to basics time
The second-wavers got a few things right, after all. Ironic hipster post-modern "feminism" is soooo over.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:17 PM
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10. Oh do you mean, "fun feminism?"
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 08:21 PM by bliss_eternal
Don't know if "it's" over...but I'm over it.
lol.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:23 PM
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11. Yeah, I get to exploit myself, it's sooo empowering
that crap.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 07:27 PM
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13. I don't think I'll look ...


My sympathies to you all. It's long been obvious to me what this place has been for quite some time now. Viewed from this side of the border, it's mostly what I'd expect to see hereabouts at, oh, freedominion.com, and you can imagine what that place modelled itself on.

The misogyny is just one bit of it. The blind raging stupid vindictiveness (criminal justice issues) and overwhelming me-firstism (any economic justice or, say, speech issue) are every bit as bad as the multifaceted bigotry that oozes out on any imaginable social justice / equality issue.

Classical liberalism. What the rest of the world calls far right-wing.

We're likely about to embark on our own federal election up herein the very near future. And likely to be facing another Conservative Party government, perhaps even a majority government this time. If we had nicer neighbours, this right-wing filth might never have gained legitimacy here. ;)


Just some interesting if depressing background on your current situation -- do read the entire thing:

http://erg.environics.net/media_room/default.asp?aID=456

Here, father doesn't know best
The Globe and Mail,
Wednesday, July 4, 2001

... Nearly 20 years ago, my colleagues at Environics in Toronto and CROP in Montreal began a study of Canadian social values. In our first survey of Canadian values in 1983, we asked Canadians if they strongly or somewhat agreed or disagreed that: "The father of the family must be the master in his own house." We posed more than 100 such questions to respondents that year. Our intention was to track these 100 items over time, dropping some, adding others; we hoped we'd measure what was important to Canadians or what was changing in our values and perspectives on life.

The "father must be master" question has become legendary at Environics. We love it because it measures a traditional, patriarchal attitude to authority in our most cherished institution: the family. ...

... Every year thereafter a smaller proportion of Canadians agreed. By 1992, the year before Kim Campbell became our first female prime minister, only 26 per cent of Canadians still said dad should be on top -- a drop of 16 per cent in less than nine years. Our colleagues in France had been tracking this question since 1975 and they, too, were finding the same kind of systematic decline in the preference for patriarchal authority. So, too, in other European countries.

<Cdn figures steadily declined after 1992.>

... Meanwhile, we found that where 42 per cent of Americans believed the father should be master in 1992, the number increased to 44 per cent in 1996. We wondered if this was a statistical anomaly. We went back into the field in 2000 to find out if the frontal assault on patriarchal authority by U.S. president Bill Clinton and television icon Homer Simpson would bring U.S. numbers more into line with those in Canada and France.

This time <2000>, 48 per cent of Americans said the father of the family must be master in his own home; 51 per cent disagreed and 1 per cent had no opinion. We were stunned.


The U.S. really is the most backwardly patriarchal society among the western industrialized nations. And to all appearances, getting worse instead of better.

Seems like the kind of thing one would expect DU and DUers to be actively combatting ... and I can only imagine how distressing and depressing it is to see the opposite happening.


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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:09 PM
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15. A lot of the alleged "liberals" here are yuppie liberals
or people who would have been happy as Republicans in the days before the Republican party got into bed with the neocons and the fundies.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:21 PM
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16. This is such a great point.
How many times did alleged "former" republicans, and others saying they had "seen the light" were welcomed heartily on this board. (sigh).

Most repubs that have voted within their party lines for a lifetime don't hold women in high regard (or any other minority group for that matter).
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:02 PM
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17. I dunno


I think many are people who genuinely perceive themselves as "liberal". The word is so devoid of meaning in the US -- for starters, it seems to refer to two entirely separate things: attitude toward restrictions on actions within the individual sphere and attitude toward collective action in the economic / social sphere -- that I don't know how one could know, or assess sincerity.

It does just blow me away that not far off one half of the US population appears to expressly approve of the patriarchal organization of the family, which does indeed suggest approval of patriarchal organization of society's other institutions.

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:42 PM
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14. Hey gaspee....I thought about
you the other day...it was when I was writing a friend about 2 more months of misogyny and that I wished I could leave the country during that time.

You can always vote for Cynthia McKinney...Green Party.

I gotta say that dem men are the worst...have been for a long time. They're a big reason the 'Women's Liberation Movement' got started in the '60's. They were always telling us to make coffee and get copies. Nothing has changed.

If only BO had selected HRC as VP, I think we'd have a good chance of winning. The choice of Palin was brilliant, imho. But she might just be thrown under the bus...we'll see. McSame had to do something to the FFFs (fanatical, female fundies) on the phones and knocking on doors.

Please try to get beyond this circus of an election. Fight for women causes....make your own life and community what you want. Fuck these jerks in DC...they can't walk and chew gum at the same time. And these misogynist boys on DU are a total waste of time...they don't deserve to take up internet space.

Get off the grid, build a geodesic dome home....create a community with like-mindeds....that's my dream. A cool village of hip women and maybe some men who live as close with Mother Nature as is possible.

Or I could move to Geneva, Switzerland....but I don't think they'll let me stay. The U.S. is so over. It's the Decline of the American Empire. However there's always 12-21-12 to look forward to...supposedly the macho shit comes to halt. I'm sticking around for that.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:31 PM
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18. I see your point of view
Really, I cannot believe how bad the sexism has gotten. Many of the threads are proof that women trying to break into prodomently male fields like politics will face the problem of being judged not only as a person for the job but also as a woman and these two things conflict in many people's minds.
One thing you should remember though is that DU is not the Democratic party and DU is not the Obama campaign. I would have preferred that Obama picked Clinton or at least someone more pro woman than Biden, but I feel that his presidency will be better for women and America in general than with McCain, regardless of his vp pick.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:19 PM
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19. Five or six days later...
...there are still quite a few on DU, seeming to take a great deal joy in "discussing" Palin.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:15 PM
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20. This country doesn't trust a woman to host a game show or talk show that's not on during the day. nt
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