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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 11:20 AM
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Feeling the pain of the earth
Osiyo friends,

This whole disaster in our gulf is making me mighty sick. I can almost smell the odor of the oil in my living room yet I live far away from where the actual spill is at.

My relatives are all from this place called Louisiana and New Orleans. They are all dead now and I am wondering how they are now.

The spirit never dies, it lives on forever I believe.

I've read some of the prophecies and find the Hopi Prophecy to be very disturbing. It speaks of the seas turning black at stage #7. Stage #8 is the final stage before we, as the stewards of this land, will be more or less left with no life or planet to nurture us.

Any other thoughts on this? How do other Indian people feel about this. Am I the only one out there that is experiencing horrible physical pain every time I see or hear something about this disaster?

Take care my friends.


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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 10:11 PM
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1. Don't know if I count, a parent was reservation born in Montana.
But there is a sinking in my heart that says our hulls are on a path that can't be changed now. I share your belief that the spirit is an energy that never passes. All we can do to mitigate and reclaim, even if only in the name of a less tainted spirit moving forward is redemption worth seeking, too many dark hearts have prevailed thus far.

You as well, CountAllVotes.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 10:57 AM
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2. perhaps Vine Deloria was right
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 11:33 AM by CountAllVotes
he wrote that one day the land will return to the Red Man even though it may well be decimated.

Deloria wrote in "Custer Died for Your Sins", "Intruders may hold sway for centuries, but they will eventually be pushed from the land or the land itself will destroy them."

I can only try to have hope.

My spirit is still among the living. Why I do not know as I came very close to death and should have passed in November of 2009.

However, I was saved by a white man. Was this the Creator's plan for me?

We must stick together in hopes of being able to heal our Mother the earth. All people on this earth, those being of all races, must join together in this battle is my thought.

I myself am mixed-blood and I very recently found my Indian ancestors after they were hidden from my mother and me our entire lives. I am glad to know that you are with us and I hope your relations in Montana are hanging on best they can.

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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:52 AM
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3. Osiyo Ulv
I can't stand to watch the reports because whatever is done is too little, too late. Innocent creatures will die of starvation, and our children's children will fight each other for the last of the food before they also starve. I see the water animals trying every survival method they know to escape the poison and nothing they do will save them. We will suffer the same fate and end not with a bang, but a whimper. Peace.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:59 AM
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4. Osiyo yellerpup
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 10:13 AM by CountAllVotes

I believe you are right. I was listening to a man that survived the explosion on the rig. He said when the fire broke out it was as if it was something that was alive, like a monster. I cannot stop thinking about his recollection and find it very frightening. :scared:

I saw this sort of thing coming many years ago coming when I was a young woman.

I had a friend and she thought the same way as I did. We made a pact when we were 14 years old and that was that we'd never bear any children because we said that if we were thinking that things were really messed up now (c. 1970), just imagine what they would be like in another few decades.

Neither of have had any children which I am glad about now despite years of "comments" from others.

At times I've had my regrets but looking at where we are today, I have none.

Have you ever read the book "The Quest" by Tom Brown. It speaks of the vision of an old Apache and what he saw the future to be like. This was in 1920 or so. It is quite frightening and most of his visions have come true.

This is a sad time we are in now and I agree, there really is no turning back.

If a big hurricane hits, the entire southern region of the USA will be covered in oil. :puke:

May the Creator help us and guide us. Perhaps these are the end days ... filled with greed.

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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:30 AM
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5. I have not read "The Quest" but I will try to find it.
We must not stop thinking of ways to help the earth heal. Like you, I decided long ago not to bring children into this world but if we live to be old I can see that we will have many chances to nurture before our time is up. I feel your anguish, but I try not to extrapolate too much because those with children must hope and we all must paddle as one to give the young the best chance we can provide. A fawn, a minnow, a pup, a baby--they all deserve our most inspired ideas. I don't know if we can save ourselves, but for the sake of the earth, the sky, and the oceans, we have to work harder than we ever have before. :hug:
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:34 AM
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6. agree yellerpup
we must work hard for those that are left on this earth. It is a very sad reality to me. I'd hoped this would never happen.

I think they finally reprinted The Quest not too long ago. For the past almost 20 years it has been "out of print".

:hug: to you too yellerpup! :)

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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 02:50 PM
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7. The Quest
I found this link to the vision online:

Night of the Red Sky

Native American Metis Prophesy

The Prophetic Visions of 'Grandfather'

from Tom Brown Jr.

In the 1920s, an Apache wise man had a Vision of four prophecies that foretold death and destruction for mankind, unless we incorporate Spirit in our daily lives.

Two of these prophecies may already have come true.

A number of people can predict the future, but few get the timing correct. "Grandfather" was an Apache wise man and scout, named Stalking Wolf, who grew up outside white man's influence. His many predictions not only came true in the manner he predicted, but also when he predicted.

Tom Brown, Jr. learned extensively from Grandfather for twenty years, from their first meeting when Tom was seven years old. Stalking Wolf was the real-life grandfather of Tom's best friend at the time. The following excerpt from Tom's book, The Quest, tells of Grandfather's predictions for all of mankind.

Looking back, I can clearly see that Grandfather's prophecies, unlike anything else, had the greatest influence on my life. At the time they had little more effect than to frighten me and cause me to sit up and take notice. It wasn't until after his prophecies began to come true that their haunting impact began to affect me in a very profound way.

More than any other person-prophet, religious leader or psychic-I have ever met, Grandfather's prophecies, on both a major and a minor scale, came true exactly at the time he prophesied and exactly as he prophesied. With that record, I could not help but feel the impact of these prophecies on my life.

Grandfather could foretell the future with tremendous accuracy. Not only could he precisely tell us what would happen in the next moment, day, week or year, but with the same accuracy he could predict the possible futures for ten years and more away. It was not long before I began to keep detailed records of his predictions, along with other notes I kept on survival skills, tracking, awareness and things of the Spirit. I received from Grandfather hundreds of personal, minor predictions, and well over half have since come true. Along with the minor personal prophecies was a list of 103 major predictions, of which, to date, over 65 have become absolutely true, not only in time and place but also in the exact order in which they were predicted to happen.

Grandfather said that there was not future, only possible futures. The 'now' was like the palm of a hand, with each finger being the possible future, and, as always, one of the futures was always the most powerful, the way that the main course of events would surely take us. Thus his predictions were of the possible future, which meant that he always left a choice.

"If a man could make the right choices," he said, "then he could significantly alter the course of the possible future. No man, then, should feel insignificant, for it only takes one man to alter the consciousness of mankind through the Spirit-that-moves-in-all-things. In essence, one thought influences another, then another, until the thought is made manifest throughout all of Creation. It is the same thought, the same force, that causes an entire flock of birds to change course, as the flock then has one mind."

Out of all the personal and major prophecies that Grandfather foretold, there are four that stand out above all the rest. It is these four that mark the destruction of man and life on Earth, as we know it to exist now. Yet Grandfather said that we could still change things, even after the first two prophecies came true, but that there could be no turning back after the third.

Now that we have gone well past the second prophecy, danger and destruction are very apparent, and our only recourse is to work harder to change what has possibly become the inevitable. The urgency that I feel-now, more than ever-is a direct result of the second, impossible prophecy coming true. It is the reason that I teach, sometimes with a certain desperation, and constantly with the sense that we are quickly running out of time.

I should have worked harder and with that same desperation at a much earlier date, but, like the rest of mankind, it took a strong message to get me motivated. I should have known that these things he prophesied would some day come true, because his personal, minor predictions were coming true daily.

He so accurately foretold of Rick's death on a white horse, that I would some day teach, that I would have a son-and that taking him into the Pine Barrens for the first time would forever change my life. He predicted the formation of my school, my books, my family, and even the horrible mistakes I would make as I tried to live within society.

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