More News 5/6/05 John McCain Spews against Kerry

[TayTay]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/05/06/democrats_platform_shouldnt_back_gay_marriage_kerry_says/

McCain wants Kerry to stop looking ahead
By Noelle Straub
Friday, May 6, 2005

WASHINGTON - Straight-talking Sen. John McCain wants his friend Sen. John Kerry to ice his "obvious" desire to run for president again and focus on his day job.

"It's pretty obvious, the way he's acting, he'd like to try it again," the Arizona Republican said of a 2008 Kerry bid.

"I'd advise him to be the best senator he could be and put those ambitions aside for a while." McCain said he "absolutely" wants to be president himself but will focus on the Senate and "wait a couple years" to decide on a 2008 run.

Assessing Kerry's odds in the June issue of Men's Journal, McCain said, "I think it would be difficult for John, for the same reason it's hard for all candidates who don't succeed."

Oh dear Gawd in heaven. Will no one rid me of this meddlesome Rethug? (Peacefully, of course. Just retire Senator. The Rethugs, don't like you and you can't win the Rethug crown.) I am now officially in the 'McCain is a weasel' camp. (He's tricksy, precious, very tricksy. We don't trusts him, no we thinks he is after the precious himself. He wants it for himself. Yes, Yes.") Sigh! With friends like these....

On the other hand, this is fine proof that Sen. Kerry is getting under the skin of the Rethugs. They are whining at him to please stop being a Senator and doing weird Senator things, like introducing bills into Congress. (Honestly John K., what were you thinking?) McCain is off my Christmas card list for good. Shame on him for kissing Rethug butt. Shame on him for dumping on Sen. Kerry. McCain lost and decided that selling his soul to Satan in return for Rethug, ah, love was a good thing. You made your bed with ugly Repukes, now go lie in it. I have no sympathy for you anymore Senator McCain.

[rox63]

1. I think the technical term for McCain

is "rat-baastahd"... (said with my best Masshole accent) ;-)

[whometense]

2. Thanks for getting the blood pumping

so early in the morning!

I mean, why in the world would Kerry listen to a single f***ing word McCain might have to say?

If you happen to believe in the diabolical brilliance of Karl Rove, you might think he had a grand plan to destroy McCain's crossover cred by putting him in a box from which there was no escape. That infamous hug * gave McCain at that campaign rally? The * Mob Family hug of death. And McCain was too stupid to see it. He's cooperated by making himself irrelevant.

To us, anyway. I wonder if all this has made any impact at all on the people-who-pay-no-attention?

[katinmn]

3. McCain should get off his ass and do something for the American people

It's been a LONG time, dude. He can't live off the past or undeserved "maverick" label forever.

effing jerk.

[Goldeneye]

4. He's such a bullshitter.

I think Kerry may be a threat to McCain. Both are vets, so that won't really be a unique niche for McCain. And while I'm not really sure what McCain is up to, Kerry's work to get kids insured, to help small businesses, and getting stuff for the troops can only help his prospects if he wants to run again. I think McCain is jealous that Kerry can do what is right and what looks right, while he is stuck voting with the republicans, and building up one shitty voting record.

[karynnj]

5. Shouldn't all senators look ahead

What is McCain doing in the Senate, other than the strange baseball steroid stuff - that seems mostly for show. Maybe, following the Republican example, we need to monitor McCain's attendance at the Senate and look at what he's doing. As a member of the minority, Kerry seems to be doing his Senate job as well as can be done and with more creativity than could be expected. The comment is nasty because it implies, without saying it, that Kerry is neglecting his Senate responsibilities. This may be McCain working for all Republicans to continue painting Kerry as a do-nothing Senator because they fear he may be the candidate again or that his activism stuff is working at some level.

The other comments are just what everyone else is saying. He's probably intending to run and it may be tough to get the nomination are both true. If Kerry can keep up what he's doing for the next two years and does get the nomination, he might be far more formidable against McCain than the Kerry/McCain match that could have happened in either 2000 or 2004. Kerry as activist for the little guy and the environment etc hits an American theme that exists in parallel to the cowboy maverick. ("Mr Smith Goes to Washington", or if you push it "it's a wonderful life" (with the Republicans playing Mr. Potter clones), if you really push it given the levels of power even a Biblical "David vs Goliath", with Kerry playing David).

Just as Bush and Kerry was an intellectual mismatch, I would bet Kerry/McCain would be an energy mismatch. (Not to mention a temperament mismatch.

[emulatorloo]

6. Kerry is kicking *ss in the Senate, and McCain isn't doing McCain's Job!

McCain should take his own advice and be the best senator he can be. . .that means breaking ranks w GWB and doing the people's work.

[whometense]

7. Excellent point!!! n/t

[Dr Ron]

8. Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow

We need more people who look ahead--rather than trying to drag us backwards.

If Kerry was purely making public appearances with no substance, then it might be fair to criticize him. However, Kerry is pushing for meaningful legislation which is part of the job of a Senator.

As former candidate, Kerry has a higher profile than the typical junior Senator of the minority party and is in a unique position to push for progressive change.

[JI7]

9. John McCain is a FUCKING WHORE

first of all McCain isn't even a Democrat so who the fuck is to give advice on this. dumb fucking whore isn't even Kerry's friend so i don't even know why he is talking about this.

McCain is just jealous that Kerry got a lot further than his ass did.

and whether Kerry runs for President or not the things he is doing right now DO have to do with being a Senator and doing a very good job.

[JI7]

10. he is the same disgusting man he was when he bashed Chelsea Clinton

even though Chelsea was just a kid at the time. i understand his disagreeing with KErry on issues and even his supporting Bush because he is a Republican. but this shit he is doing now is just being a fucking asshole. it has nothing to do with issues. considering he hates Kerry why the fuck would Kerry take his advice on anything.dumb fucking asshole.

[whometense]

11. eeeeew, that's the picture

that turned a million stomachs. Truly sickening.

I didn't remember that he bashed Chelsea Clinton. Details?

[JI7]

14. it was a very ugly joke he told and Chelsea was a kid then also

he did apologize to Bill Clinton later on and Clinton being a far better person as most Democrats are than Republicans did accept it.

here is a link to the joke he told about Chelsea.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnmccain168082.html

[whometense]

15. Wow.

That's really low. If he'd said that about my child I would never forgive him.

[politicasista]

19. I remember lots of people taking shots of Chelsea

There was a SNL skit that poked fun of her and other jokes made about her. Just plain cruel period.

[LittleClarkie]

30. Oh yeah

"I love it when you trash my wife and my service record. Come 'ere you sexy fascist. Hurt me! Hurt me again!"

:nuke:

[ginnyinWI]

18. He's a weakling--not that he hates Kerry, but he's been bought

as your picture so truly illustrates---ugh. So even if he considers JK a friend, he is forced to sell his friend down the river. Which makes McCain a really, really, morally weak and unprincipled person!

As for JK, he's in a win-win situation:
He can either: dedicated the rest of his professional life to being the very best senator ever, and work tirelessly for the American people's best interests and try to thwart the Powers of Evil whenever he can,
OR he can seek the presidency a second time, starting seriously in 2007, but showing everyone what he's worth from now until then.

Either way, the work he needs to do is exactly the same, and he wins either way!

As the Bush Adm. continues to hit foul balls, and the Repub. congress continues to drift far from where mainstream America is at, and people begin to look for a way out, Kerry may emerge as Super-Dem, the one who had the answers all along.

[whometense]

20. I LOVE your post!

Thanks. :hug: It's so optimistic. :-)

[ginnyinWI]

25. thanks

I have my up and down days. Today I'm up. :)

Must be because I was watching one of my old JK tapes last night. I was a taping fool last summer and fall and have many hours of stuff saved!
He's so inspiring--my secret weapon for optimism! ;)

[whometense]

26. That's a good idea.

I have a tape saved with lots of campaign stuff. I was afraid it would make me feel sadder, but maybe it's time to haul it out.

I have been known to watch Going Upriver upon occasion...

[vinessa4freedom]

37. He is inspirational...

A girl in my Comp. class is terrified about her presentation on Stem cell research. She's done her research very thoroughly, but is nervous about the argument period afterwards. She's afraid about answering the moral questions for those who equate it with abortion. She has the argument ready, but wants to be tactful. I loaned her the Town Hall debate, where John so eloquently handled it. People that think that way are hard to please--the ears are just closed. John always seems to answer his heart without making the opposition feel disrespected.

[LittleClarkie]

29. He's just carrying water for Bush

That's all this is. They're trying to get Kerry to back off. And they're trying to spin everything he's doing as 2008 politics. Shit, I get enough of that from our own party. I don't need it from Mr. Pasty as well.

And that's why all the 2008 talk gets my pet goat. It's non-productive. It gets in the way of people like Kerry doing what they need to do.

I loved the letter to the editor I read in the NYT after some article said that Kerry getting all active now was him running for prez already. The letter said that if he waited until 2 years from now, THAT would be politicking. Doing it now shows that he means it.

We NEED people opposing Bush now, and not just giving lip service to it.

[Dr Ron]

12. Will he be consistent on Republicans looking towards 2008?

Republicans such as Allen are spending a lot of time in New Hampshire. Will McCain criticize them?

Frist is clealry pandreing to the religious rignt looking forward to 2008? Will McCain criticize him?

[whometense]

16. I won't be

holding my breath while waiting for that to happen.

[JI7]

13. McCain is such a fucking hypocrite

he also claims Kerry didn't run a good campaign and the only thing at the convention was "reporting for duty".

if the fucking whore would remove his head from the Chimp's ass he would see there were many issues discussed. and his ass was at the first debate also.

in 2000 primary McCain often talked about his military service. that was one of the criticisms his ass got that he would continue bringing up how he knows what it's like to be in war and other shit.he is such a fucking hypocrite for going after Kerry.

McCain was unable to deal with the personal attacks and he did horribly in the primary. he only won michigan and some other states because Democrats who hated Bush voted for him and they had no intention of voting for McCain if he won the nomination in november.

Kerry on the other hand was attacked in far worse ways than McCain and Kerry never attacked someone elses kid as McCain did with Chelsea. Kerry was able to handle verything and the election was very close in the end. far more than McCain.

sorry for this other post on McCain but he just makes me sick with his asshole comments on Kerry which have nothing to do with the issues but it's just him being a fucking asshole. he was never Kerry's friend. if Kerry died he would celebrate. fuck you McCain.

i have that McCain biography which someone gave me around the time he was running in the primary and i never read. i'm going to throw it out unless someone can think of something better to do with it.

[whometense]

17. public burning? n/t

[emulatorloo]

21. McCain has a lovely "Contact Me" form on his site

http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Contact.Home

I politely gave him an earful, and then pasted a list of Kerry's work in the Senate since January.

[karynnj]

22. Great idea!

Hopefully he'll read it. Seeing that there are so many published referencec where he called Kerry a friend, I think I'll tell him I lost respect because I can't trust people who treat friends as he does. (Glad Kerry has mamy many better friends)

Editted to add that I wrote that if he wanted to give Kerry this advise he could have found him on the Senate floor, adding he's easy to find because he's tall.

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

23. Here is my note to him (thanks for the link, emulator! :-)

My note to McCain (already posted to:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1449730#1450666)

==========

Senator McCain,

It is really unseemly of you to keep jabbing at Senator Kerry for offering you the Veep spot. Senator Kerry wanted a "Unity" ticket so that he could bring the nation back to sanity after the horrendous divisiveness of your leader(s) -- to take something that was done in such selfless nobility and pervert it into your usual politics-as-war-by-any-means is grotesque.

Stop it right away. You are not half the human being Senator Kerry is (as exemplified by just this one incident), so stop baying at the moon and forfeit what little respect the non-Republican majority of this country has for you.

Sincerely,

[JI7]

24. i'm sorry but he never offered him anything

even McCain says he never really offered him the spot. that it was just discussed or mentioned. i'm sure it was in the same way it was when Kerry joked to Bob Dole that he is always on the top of his list when Dole brought up the vp thing.

and McCain is being critical of something that isn't even true meaning he is just being an asshole.

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

27. You are technically correct...

but I always go for the spirit...

[emulatorloo]

31. LOL n/t

[LittleClarkie]

28. What the flying fuck does he think Kerry's doing

Is it just me, or is McCain trying to spin what Kerry's doing now as "working for 2008" instead of "doing his day job," part of which happens to be opposing the Bush agenda.

Is that what McCain wants Kerry to back off on? Going after the Bush agenda?

I don't even understand what McCain is asking for here. What would concentrating on his day job look like? I thought Kerry was doing his day job in overdrive, personally. What is he doing that he wouldn't be doing if he wasn't running?

What does McCain want? Kerry windsurfing and out of Bush's hair?

Friend, my ass!

[TayTay]

32. Sadly, friend no more

Someone in this group posted that they saw Kerry and McCain pass each other on the Senate floor and there was no indication of recognition or greeting. I understand why and it's sad.

I've said it before, this is a loss for the country. The two of them did good work together on nomalizing relations with Vietnam. And Kerry did good work with Sen. Bob Kerry, Chuck Hagel and McCain on veteran's issues. However, I think the personal friendship is over. McCain's remarks have put the stake in the heart of that friendship.

This is too bad. Kerry was actually good for McCain. He steadied him during the POW/MIA hearings and prevented McCain from losing his temper in a very public and vocal way, as acknolwedged by McCain in his book. Now, McCain is on his own.

I feel like the Godfather Part II movie, he is dead to me now, dead to me. How overly dramatic, but true.

[elshiva]

33. OH, FUCK OFF, MCCAIN!

[PresidentObama]

34. Wow

I somewhat respected John McCain before. I mean, he was one of the few Republicans I actually somewhat liked. He was moderate, and friends with Kerry. Kerry even offered the man a place as the VP running mate. Then he lets the 2008 Presidential stuff go to his head, and betray his friend.

The Republican shows his true colors once and for all

[Firespirit]

35. HEY MCCAIN

If Kerry'd wanted your advice, perhaps he would have ASKED YOU FOR IT.


---
How incredibly ballsy -- and NOT in a good way -- to insinuate that Kerry's not focused on his Senate job. He's been extremely active and has introduced, sponsored, or begun one good piece of legislation after another. Whereas McCain... hmm, how exactly *has* he made himself stand out in this Congress? :shrug:

As it is, after the bullshit that this guy pulled on JK last year, I kinda doubt that he's taking anything McCain says seriously.

[TayTay]

36. The only thing I've seen McCain do

is vote Rethug on a straight ticket. He voted to screw working-class America with the Bankruptcy and Tort Deform Bill. And he voted for Torture Boy Gonzalez, even though McCain himself had experienced torture as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese.

McCain had to partner Teddy Kennedy to get the Immigration Reform bill introduced. At least one Senator from MA is still talking to him. (Then again, Teddy has ceded Health Care ground to Kerry which is nice. Previously, Teddy guarded the legislative side very zealously and he was responsbile for bills having to do with Health Care. This is, of course, a sign of cooperation and partnership between the two Ma Senators.)