Good Kerry thread - bad original post with great informative responses

[karynnj]

Someone posted an inflammatory link (to the World Socialist (?)) on the pharmacy part of the religious freedom bill Kerry has proposed with Santorum. Every single response (17 of them) explains how it protects people getting their prescriptions (contrary to the original post). Some talked about this being Kerry's bill from years ago and that it helps religious minorities etc. Except for the original post - it could have been here.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1753322&mesg_id=1753322

[JohnKleeb]

1. The bill sounds fine to me

Non Christians have a right to get off work for religious purposes jsut as much as I do in my opinion.

[LittleClarkie]

2. Do you have a link?

I'd like to see that.

[karynnj]

3. Sorry I meant to put the link in - but blew it

[sandnsea]

4. see, reactionary bullshit

This is one of the posts that prompted my rant. Why is it not common practice to just say, hmmm, wonder what this is about and look for yourself. Especially before posting an article from wsws. I'm not saying I've never made the mistake of jumping to conclusions, but I do try to give our Dems the benefit of the doubt. I understand the desire of some to bash Kerry, but this kind of reactionary crap happens all the time.

[karynnj]

5. The article they linked to was as you say reactionary bullshit

I posted here mainly because after seeing the subject and op, I was pleasantly surprised to see that everyone then on the thread used information to disprove the garbage. The original poster obviously was trying to bash Kerry, but it failed. (Later they discussed related issues, but the information for anyone who knew nothing going in would be that it is a reasonable bill and if anything Kerry is co-opting Santorum to do something good.)

I agree with your comment. If the poster was genuinely confused, he could have simply posted that he heard that Kerry was sponsoring a religious rights bill with Santorum, does anyone know anything about it? (neutral question and no inflammatory link)

[sandnsea]

6. It ended well, yes

I'm probably the one out of sorts today. I try not to get upset about obvious troll posts. It was good to see everybody come in and straighten it out. :)

[whometense]

7. I hear you.

I recognized your mood immediately from your rant, because I've been feeling that way too for the past two days. For me, it's a matter of evil overkill.

Items I have not been able to put out of my mind:

1. That poor 13-year-old girl in Florida who they won't allow to have an abortion. (And related, the minor transportation abomination the House passed.)

2. The nauseating budget, the debt held by foreign countries, the whole social security mess.

3. Locking the Senate dems out of conference. How do these assholes sleep at night?

Ok, hopefully I haven't passed my mood on to everyone else. But you see - I feel your pain.

[paulk]

8. I wonder at the reactionary crap sometimes -

people don't seem very bothered about making fools of themselves - which gets me going sometime, because here we are at our computers with information literally at our fingertips - and soooooo many posts here at DU are just knee jerk responses.

Maybe it's because most posters are anonymous. Some people definitely do come here just to grind whatever axe they've got, with no real intention of "discussion".

[GRLMGC]

9. why would you name yourself after a murderous regime?

just wondering. Kinda, sorta off-topic, I know

[BlueIris]

10. Y'all? I. LOVE. YOU.

Confession: been a bad week for me. Madness in Congress continues. Major hardship in my personal life. All connected with the scary-ass reactionary bullshit hated by many here that has simply engulfed this nation. Including my attempt to explain to an ex-friend, in a polite way that was beneficial for me and at least not outright cruel to him (although, it's kind of impossible to have pity for the kind of person he is) why we're not friends anymore. Namely, because he decided to mock my being "overly concerned" with the reactionary bullshit and misogyny in government and society. Like others, the madness is in some ways NEVER off my mind. As well it shouldn't be--we're in the fight of our lives here, in my opinion. My formed friend insulted me like that last year, which actually makes his actions more hurtful from my perspective. And then, seeing that goddamn "Is this true?" thread. I confess some more--I've had mixed feelings about Kerry's involvement with that bill, and I haven't wanted to sit down and sort them out (though I was going to eventually). I was really afraid to click on that link and potentially wind up hating either Kerry's decision, or posters' characterizations of it or him or all of the above. And I've been exhausted by all the mental turmoil of watching this disgusting worsening of attitudes in America, so I didn't want to deal with One. More. Hateful. Thing. I basically wanted someone to tell me, "No, JK didn't blow it, don't worry." It's so nice to read this discussion and find out exactly that, and that others are as frustrated as I am with the vicious nature of the climate in our country and its government at the moment.