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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:06 PM
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talk to me of coffee grounds
I know they are good for the soil, but do they add amendments?

my soil is very alkaline and sandy but I have LOTS of coffee grinds. will they help with iron?

I've googled but haven't found any really good info

thanks in advance!
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:24 PM
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1. They're a "green" addition - adds nitrogen.
Coffee Grounds and Composting
http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/soil/2002015354019975.html

Many folks are interested to know if and how they can use coffee grounds in their compost. Hopefully this will help answer some of those questions. The info here is just a few of the basic points. Many of the Soil forum regulars use large amounts of coffee grounds in their composting. Any specific questions you may have can usually be answered by posting a new thread on the boards.

First of all coffee grounds are a very good addition to your composting efforts. They would be considered a "green" or nitrogen source. C/N ratio about 20:1.

While it is widely thought that they are acidic it has been shown that most of this acidity is removed in the brewing process. Used grounds are essentialy neutral and composting them with other materials will buffer any minor residual acidity.

One of the forum regulars with a scientific background did some controlled chemistry experiments on the acidity question and this is what he had to say:

"Roasted coffee is fairly acidic, but it appears that almost all of the acid is water soluble and is extracted during brewing. Used grounds have essentially neutral pH, although the coffee beverage produced is rather acidic.

The measured pH of used coffee grounds was 6.9, with a significant amount of buffer capacity - adding the coffee to either acidic or basic solutions drove both towards neutral pH. The exact pH of used grounds will depend on the pH and alkalinity of the water used in brewing, but with any potable water, used grounds will be close to neutral pH."

Anecdotal evidence suggests that worms are very attracted to them so you can feel free to use them in vermiposting (worm bin) situations if you desire.

It is also widely held that placing coffee grounds under acid loving plants is beneficial. But as the evidence has shown, this may just be a myth since the spent grounds are neutral. You can do it or not as you wish. At best it is a good soil conditioner and will feed the worm population. If you do place grounds in this way be sure to incorporate them well into the soil.

The amount of grounds you would want to add to a compost pile is dependent on how many you may have available to you. If you were just using the amount that an average household might generate you should have no concerns. But some of you may have access to larger volumes and in that case you should limit the percentage to no more than 25% of the volume of the pile.

There are many sources for grounds. Place a can by the office coffee machine and collect those. If you make a daily stop at a diner or donut shop for your morning fix they may save their grounds for you if you leave them an empty container of some sort. You can get a simple 5 gal bucket with a lid for very little or even free in some cases. Get two and just swap them out daily.The paper filters are also easily digested by decomposer organisms so you needn't bother to remove them.

A favorite location for gathering large amounts of grounds is Starbucks. They have a corporate policy of trying to reduce waste and will, at most locations, provide grounds for the asking. You may need to gently "remind" the staff of the policy but usually they will be glad to comply. You can go to the Starbucks website and find a page of info on this policy that you can take with you to help.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:35 PM
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2. nitrogen is a good thing, thanks, that's the best article I've seen yet n/t
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:12 PM
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3. We have far more leaves than available greens for our compost.
I depend on Starbucks coffee grounds. Can't stand their coffee, though.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:16 PM
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4. I always compost mine. With the paper filters.
The grounds are "green" and the filters are "brown." Excellent compost! Good for your soil! Never throw coffee grounds in the trash or down the disposal!

urgently,
Bright
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:08 AM
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5. my espresso machine is down so we're stuck with the French Press
:cry:

I still haven't got my piles up and working yet, so I'm just taking the grounds and tossing them on the garden area to work in when I work the soil next month

I've decided to do a square foot garden (a couple of them actually)

my old 'garden tub' is big enough for a 4 square so i'll use that for the kitchen garden, herbs, lettuce, radish etc then use the bigger garden plot for the big stuff, corn, squash, snap peas etc

the really cool news is a contact in AA has a ton of compost available if I'll just haul it.

now I need to find a truck to borrow :evilgrin:
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:14 PM
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6. They're PERFECT for alkaline soil, as they are
acidic. If you have an acid loving plants, dig them in around the plant. They will thank you for it!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:04 PM
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7. I am in a similar soil type area
Coachella Valley. I have been using the grounds for a few years (5). No ill effects. I just dump it daily in different areas. Besides nitro. , it adds fibrous material that holds water, and enriches the soil, essentially pest free after roasting and soaking. We have a very sandy makeup here, and it lightens it for a while.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 04:24 PM
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8. P.S. the worms love it
you can never have enough worms in your soil
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 08:30 PM
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9. well we finally had a nice day today so i went out and started setting
up my square foot garden plots :bounce:
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:21 PM
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10. I am sooooo jealous.
I'm Susanna, from a weird little pocket Zone 6 in Michigan. (Most of the state is 5, but near the lakes there are more temperate zones.) That said, temperate zone is a bit of a misnomer here right now, since we have battled single digit temperatures here going on 4 weeks.

I have several SFG beds I made last year: two 8x1s, one 6x1 and two 4x4. I am sitting in my house with my graph paper plotting out my garden. I can only dream right now! I think I will make a cold frame this year if we ever unfreeze.

Have fun! :hi:
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:41 PM
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11. well we got another foot of snow inbetween that post and yours
:rofl:

but I did get one break and actually got the compost pile built and going

we are promised so 60-70 degree days this week so i'll be outside again turning soil (finally!)
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 11:26 PM
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12. Well, every little bit helps!
I honestly do dream of living somewhere I can garden more of the year. It's definitely a passion of mine! There's good news on my frigid corner of the world - after four weeks, we are just about to go above freezing! We might even hit 45+ this weekend. Thankful is not nearly strong enough to say how good that makes me feel - the past month has been really brutal, and I've lived here a long time.

As for me, in the darkest part of winter (i.e., recently), what I do is start my loose leaf garden journal for the year. Just picking through my seeds, taking inventory, getting ready...I can't explain it, but it always gives me hope. But then I know you probably know what I mean. :-)
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