My first post in this forum

[Andrea]

I just recently discovered this forum and have found it very interesting, and sometimes comforting, to read. I have a question that I hope some of you can help me with.

I like to read my horoscope from Jonathan Cainer (www.cainer.com). He posts a short commentary on his front page each day, usually dealing with celestial movements and sometimes current events. Monday he posted a letter from a reader and his response to it. The reader is also an astrologer. Both stated that they believe that whomever the next U.S. president is, s/he will not complete their term. They based this on the inauguration day chart.

Has anyone else heard anything about this? Can anyone shed any light on this for me? How do you think this will manifest, if you think it will?

[SeattleGirl]

1. Welcome, Andrea!

This is a wonderful forum, IMHO, and I get a lot from it.

As to your question, I think there has been something posted in here about the next president not completing their term, but I csn't recall right now who posted it.

[Dora]

2. Welcome.

:hi:

[BlueIris]

3. I would *love* to read comments from our astrologer friends here re: the Inauguration chart.

[rumpel]

4. Hi.

:hi:

I must have missed it. But like BI, I am curious to the responses.

[BanzaiBonnie]

5. Welcome Andrea

We're a merry band of misfits<G>

[Andrea]

6. Thanks for the great welcome!

I hope some folks have some knowledge about my question, too.

[vanboggie]

7. Interesting site

Thanks for the link and welcome to this forum, Andrea. :hi:

I hadn't seen Cainer's site before and it's very interesting.

[Mabus]

15. I love Cainer

I found him online in 1994 and I've been a fan ever since. I was in law school back then and a classmate and I were interested in politics. We used to use Lexis-Nexis to find and read newspaper articles. One night we were goofing off and started looking up astrologers. We found Cainer and I've been a fan ever since.

I would read him whenever I could. The internet was a lot different then and it was pretty hit and miss. I think he was in the Guardian at the time and I couldn't always find his column. I finally broke down and ordered one of his personal horoscopes in 1996. It was weird. He was pretty accurate and a few times he hit it on the nose. In one section, dealing with long term influences, it said was that there was a chance that my life would change abruptly and that I would become like a student of chess in a period beginning in late March of 2000. I met the man who would become my husband in late March of 2000 and he's a chess player/teacher. Well, my life did change abruptly when I met my husband. And while I am not a student of chess, I have become something like a student of chess. There were some other parts of the report that used odd phrasing that turned out to be key terms at that time period.

As soon as we get ahead a little more financially I'm going to order another one. Sorry to sound like a commercial for Cainer but I really like him and I check him almost every day.

[Sanity Claws]

22. I never knew anyone who had a chart done by Cainer

After your review, I plan on getting my chart from him.
Do you know whether he still does the same type of astrological reading as he did for you? I just checked his site and saw three different types, none of which was terribly expensive. I thought at that price they were probably computer generated.
I'm curious what he charged you. I don't need to know the amount. I just want to know whether it was similar to the prices now on his site. If they were more before, my guess is that he went from personal readings to computer generated readings.

[Silver Gaia]

8. Good to see you posting here, Andrea.

I can't answer your question, but I'm sure someone will be along soon who can.

You're right. This place is comforting. :)

[Andrea]

11. Good to see you, too

Any forum with your participation must be a good forum, Joolz. I've been meaning to PM you. Emily is doing well with the flax seed oil and the food. thanks so much!

[Silver Gaia]

16. I'm SO glad to hear that Emily is doing well!

No problem about the PM. We're all busy people. ;) Thanks, again, for the update on Emily. :) :) :)

[Dover]

9. Hi Andrea...welcome! I haven't studied that chart except for a cursory look at transits.

So I'll leave it to the other astrologers to speak more in depth about it.
Just in case anyone is wondering what comments you are referring to, this is the quote from the site you linked to:

Jonathan,
You have predicted a Hillary presidency. As a fellow astrologer, I know why. The inauguration chart of 2009 is dramatic. But have you looked lately at Hillary's horoscope? I predict Obama will win and will be wildly popular. He will not, though, complete his term. Kennedy, Nixon, Roosevelt (in his last term), were all inaugurated under the same aspect.
Kevin
Dear Kevin,
Rightly or wrongly, I have interpreted the situation differently - using different techniques. Meanwhile, if that inauguration chart can tell us anything, surely what it suggests, is that WHOEVER wins may not complete their term.
Jonathan

I wish astrologers wouldn't make broad statements like that without indicating how they have arrived at their conclusions. Different astrologers interpret things according to various criteria they deem 'significant', which is evident in the variety of interpretations and predictions out there. I certainly don't know, from observing the transits on that date which 'difficult' aspects he might be attributing to 'term' issues. I've always considered the Saturn/Jupiter cycle in the U.S. chart by transit (also associated with Tecumseh's Curse) to be the signature of a shortened term (through death or some other means). And that's not active or relevant to the 2009 chart.
http://astrodynamics.blogspot.com/2007/12/tecumsehs-curse-and-us-jupiter.html

Could it be the -
Venus conj. Uranus opposite Saturn sextile to Mars?
The Sun, Mercury & Jupiter conjunction?
The Moon void of course?
The solar eclipse that directly follows on Jan. 26 in close proximity to the Aquarian planets in the inaugural chart?

Given the difficult transits during and in the few months following the 2008 Nov. 4 election, who knows what it all will mean. Will there be an inauguration at all? We can't plan on things being 'normal' as in status quo anymore, so we need to learn to adapt quickly to changing events.

Astrology or any tool used for predictions is limited by our own ability to see beyond the world we are presently inhabiting. And Uranus (which will be very active over the next few years) always brings something new out of the ether, so to speak. It's surprising or shocking only because it's usually outside the limited parameters of our lower minds. Expect the unexpected.

That said, here are a couple of early predictions that google turned up. I'm sure there will be more as we get closer to the date. But I haven't seen any interpretation that mentions a shortened term in office.


Neptune Cafe - 2008 Election
http://www.neptunecafe.com/Election08.html

Lynn Koiner - Pluto in Capricorn

Bill Meridian added another insight regarding the upcoming election: The horoscope for the 2009 Inauguration, showing the course of the presidency, will have a rare conjunction of the Sun-Jupiter in Aquarius. This conjunction has only occurred twice before— the Sun in Aquarius was conjunct Jupiter in Capricorn in the 2nd inauguration of Reagan and the 2nd inauguration of Clinton. He feels that this pattern is indicative of a Democratic President who implements great social programs. Mars is in the 9th House but it forms a trine to the Inauguration Ascendant and Saturn in Virgo in the 5th House. While it is indicative of a foreign conflict, it is a low level conflict and one that this country will handle effectively. Bill added a sidebar that the next Solar Eclipse would have a great impact upon the country of Pakistan as it opposed Pakistan’s natal Sun in Leo.

Stars Over Washington:
http://starsoverwashington.blogspot.com/2007/10/inauguration-jan-20-2009.html

[Andrea]

12. Thanks, Dover

That's good info and I'm going to check out the links you gave, too.

Thanks also for quoting the exact passage. I was going to link to it, but since Cainer.com uses frames, I couldn't get the exact URL.

You said:

Given the difficult transits during and in the few months following the 2008 Nov. 4 election, who knows what it all will mean. Will there be an inauguration at all? We can't plan on things being 'normal' as in status quo anymore, so we need to learn to adapt quickly to changing events.

I have wondered, too, if there will be an inauguration at all and I certainly agree that we can't plan on things being normal any more, but that is just my observational reaction to what has happened the last seven (at least) years. Do you see something astrologically that leads you to say this? Can you tell us more about the difficult transits you mention around the time of the election?

I think some of what I'm asking might be too elementary for many in this forum. If that's the case, and it therefore wouldn't be worth posting, maybe you can point me somewhere to get some answers?

Thanks again!

[Dover]

14. Not too elementary my dear Watson.

We've discussed those very questions here briefly in the forum.

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking though. Do you want specific transits? How knowledgable are you of astrology?

I wish I could remember the subject heading for those threads so I could link you to them. Perhaps someone else remembers and can do that. Or you can search my threads (perhaps going back four or five pages) or Stellanoir's threads, or ccpup's or Ricks, or Dream's astro-threads, among others.
Here's one of mine that I bookmarked which is an older thread with several articles about the general effects of Pluto's long passage through Capricorn: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x46124

You can also google - astrology, 2008 election - and come up with several sites on that topic. I'd also recommend the Starlight News website that is ALL about the election and big astrological trends impacting it.
http://www.starlightnews.com/.
There you might read one of Nancy's essays like the one titled: Years Of Transition - http://www.themetaarts.com/2007may/nancysommers.html or visit her Blog section which has current stuff.
Also might try Nolle's website for monthly and yearly reports. I have posted his stuff here in the past but you can find it yourself here: http://www.astropro.com/homeIE4/futures.html Read his 2008 report which toward the end, touches on the elections.

We discuss such things in this forum, but it's more hit or miss, dispersed amongst other types of topics.

Basically the supporting long-term transits for the issues I mentioned around the election have to do with the current Pluto square to the U.S. midheaven which indicates a major shift of our place in the world, power struggles, and a continuing identity crisis regarding our new global position, among other things. This is the beginning of a long Plutonian unraveling or the death throes of our nation (which began in earnest several years ago but really became apparent as Pluto crossed the U.S. ascendent beginning approx. around 2000). Pluto will be opposing our nation's Cancer planets for several years to come.

And then there is the Saturn/Uranus opposition which interestingly enough will become exact on the day of the election. Surprises and upsets as Uranus challenges the Saturnian status quo. The beginnings of revolution? Breakdown?
This election day aspect is somewhat eased by the opposition's positive aspect to transiting Jupiter, however.

And the U.S. Mars will also be getting hit by a square from Uranus (impulsive aggression) and toward the end of the year (after the elections) by a very frustrating and angry (with no immediate outlet) energy from Saturn's station to U.S. Mars.
Could be an economic breaking point or some other big event that stops us in our tracks.

It should also be noted that the U.S. progressed Mars recently began it's retrograde, which is an indication perhaps of the internalising rather than externalizing of aggression and growth and the ending, over time, of U.S. dominance through military/economic might. We've all just experienced a brief feel for what a retrograde Mars energy is like with the long retrograde from transiting Mars that lasted from mid-Nov. to the end of January.

That's just a very brief broad stroke explanantion. All those transiting planets, though, are highly signficant in their own right. Particularly intense when they are all working together...that's a lot of deep change and upheaval. We need to let go of the old ways and begin again. And we will be compelled to do so as a nation, but individually we must also embrace the death of the old and begin building the new.

[Dover]

18. One last astro-political blog link

http://apotelesmatics.com/

[Callie McAllie]

10. welcome!

I used to love Jonathan Cainer's site, but the last few years I think someone else is writing the scopes. They don't resonate for me like they used to. I think you will like it here though.

[Andrea]

13. Wow, it's weird you should say that

I used to read his site quite regularly for several years and then somehow forgot about it for several years until the last month or two. They have not felt as right to me since I came back to it. I was wondering why I felt so out of sync with the horoscopes. You may be right that he's not writing them anymore. I know he has an extensive network of astrologers that he used to have fill in for him when he went on vacation and such. Maybe he is suing someone else all the time now.

The funny thing is, the "Thoughts of the Day" still seem just as relevant as ever.

[Mabus]

17. He's living in my head

He's nailing it for me. I've been talking to a friend for the past couple of days about a family situation I've been going through.

Here's the PM exchange I had with my friend about the family situation and what Cainer's horoscope is for me today. the subject was "My holy shit moment for today":

Holy shit is right.

>My horoscope for today
> (http://www.cainer.com/today/aquariut.html ) :
>
>What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over
>and over again and expecting a different result. Mind you,
>there are some things that do turn out differently each time
>we try them. We have to be very careful with definitions.
>What's crazy for one person can be perfectly logical for
>another. You are trying to work out whether you have crossed a
>line you should have kept away from, or whether you have yet
>to reach a line that you ought to keep walking towards. You
>can't work it out. Trust what you feel.

Cainer nailed it. I cannot even begin to explain how right on he is. He even said the same things about situation that we had been talking about.

Sorry, I deleted most of my original post.

[Popol Vuh]

19. Welcome Andrea

In all of DU, this forum is by far the best. :)

I just only wish I wasn't so constrained for time so I could post more.



Peace

[Lindsey]

20. Welcome Andrea :-)

I get so much out of this forum on DU. Many of the folks here have wonderful info., thoughts, concepts, ideas, references, on and on of many things metaphysical/spiritual. It's a GREAT place to be!

[Sanity Claws]

21. Welcome, Andrea

I'm so glad you posted this topic and questions about Cainer.
I think you'll like it here.