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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:06 AM
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I have succeeded in reading my own natal chart. Depressed.
It's fascinating to know the relationship/meaning of my planets and their respective houses, but I'm not sure I like it much. Of course I understand it's not set in stone, but it's uncanny how much of my life thus far has followed what's in my chart. All I ever wanted to do was get married and live happily ever after, lol. Not in the stars for me apparently.

I do have a question - what is chiron? I've got it in my 10th house along with Saturn. :scared:
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:39 AM
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1. Chiron is known as The Wounded Healer
also as the bridge between body and spirit.
Check this out for more info:
http://www.astrology.com/allaboutyou/healingsign/index.html

:hi: I don't think we are meant to be frightened of what we learn from our charts as we are to be made MORE AWARE.

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:47 AM
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2. Thanks! I've been exploring so I can be more aware -
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 11:49 AM by sparosnare
however I guess I've been surprised and maybe a bit scared about what I've learned as it's so accurate. :hi:

On edit, I've read the information at the link you provided. It made me cry.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:03 PM
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3. ...
:hug: imo, it's worth it to consider getting a sit-down, taped professional astro reading, if you can swing it, financially. I try to do it every couple o' years, around my bd, just to get the "higher perspective" and understand the energies that are coming into my life. It helps to see the patterns and to be aware of the gifts and opportunities which are, imo, ALWAYS present. :hug:

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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:08 PM
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4. When I had my chart drawn up years ago, after the reading
I looked at her and told her I felt like I was born under a bad sign - but she laughed and replied that no one is born under a bad sign - that every horoscope has its strengths and weaknesses, gifts and struggles. Since then I have become aware of the fact that many of my so-called weaknesses have actually turned out to be my greatest strengths, perhaps because of what I have learned from them and how this has added to my understanding and compassion.

Maybe for this reason - for objectivity - it is good to have your horoscope read by someone else - for if we go about it we might be too focussed on the seeming negatives - looking for answers to our pressing problems and not seeing the more subtle stuff!

My horoscope was also spot on - so accurate and so were those of my 2 children and my husband. He is pretty much a skeptic type person, but after his horoscope reading he admits that there is very much "something there".....BTW - he isn't a skeptic any longer after all of these years with me! :D:D:D

DemEx
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:34 PM
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7. Objectivity - good idea.
I think I have done what you've stated - focused on the negatives and of course since I am new at this, haven't yet looked past it. I am in awe (as a former skeptic) of the accuracy. It is my hope I can begin to do what you have done and turn my weaknesses into strengths through a better understanding of who I really am. At my age I'd thought I'd know by now, lol. :hi:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:50 AM
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41. Yes, we are not meant to be frightened by our natal charts!
It is simply what we chose to work on in this life!
Chiron is represents karmic wounds from past lives which we want to heal in this one. And once we do that, Chiron brings us many gifts!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:20 PM
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5. Oh dear. . .
Astrology in its highest form is not at all fatalistic. There are positive manifestations and less than desirable influences with all placements, transits, and progressions. That is where free will mitigates the energies which exist to compell us to grow and move forward or stagnate or regress. Egads.

What the heck is up with your 7th that makes you feel as though a happy marriage is beyond the realm of possibilities. Give us some details (sign on the descendant and any planetary placements) and I'm sure one of us can offer up a deeper more enlightened understanding and explanation.

Chiron is a "planetoid" located between Saturn & Uranus. It was labeled as such as it is too big to be an asteroid and too small to be a planet. It was discovered in 1977. It would appear as though we were hurled a universal helper to mollify the distict disparity between the conformist influences of Saturn and the rebellious influences of Uranus.

Without knowing the sign or aspects to the conjunction of Saturn and Chiron in the tenth, it would vaguely suggest some sort of career involving the healing arts and/or hopefully transcendance of some of the familial karma.

I've been looking at my chart for many decades and still see new possibilities as a chart is truly as vast as a life. No chart is doomed to terminal aloneness or unhappiness. You clearly might want to seek out deeper interpretations.

best
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:29 PM
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6. All of your posts have helped a great deal -
I suppose I was a bit taken aback by the accuracy of what I've read and of course I must see the strengths and not just the weaknesses. As humans I think we sometimes focus on our faults and that's what I saw - reasons why I've made some of the mistakes I have, etc. It's actually a good thing if I can learn to use the information to my advantage. I will probably, as suggested, find someone else to read for me.

Here's my specifics:

Sun, Jupiter, Venus 12th house
Mercury 11th house
Saturn, Chiron 10th house
Neptune 6th house
Uranus, Mars, Pluto 4th house
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:46 PM
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8. Okay I'm in the middle of a plethora of stuff.
With a really cursory look, you may have been born in the fall of '68 ??? But the Neptune placement doesn't make sense. I'm flying and not looking at an ephemeris right now. But post your birth data and folks will chime in with greater accuracy.

best
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:36 PM
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13. Brief comment about your chart
Since we are missing important info such as signs, nodes, etc
there are limitations to comments.

But there is nothing "bad" about these placements.

Just to give you some ideas:

You did bite off some karma with a hefty 12th house, but that is good, it means that you wanted to make a lot of soul growth in this life, and you hope to accomplish some good things.

Chiron in the 10th means that you may have some past life trauma connected to authority or public positions. You may carry a healing vocation forward. And one of your parents may have been wounded thru interaction with the outside world.

As you can see, there is nothing limiting or scary about this information!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:39 PM
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14. Yes there are no bad charts, bad signs, bad aspects.....
there are strengths and weaknesses, opportunities and challenges
but nothing is bad.

To be honest, the only "bad" thing is free will. :)

We are the ones who screw it all up. But I would not have it any other way.

Free will was God's gift to us. We should cherish it
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:25 PM
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12. Oh dear is right....... I am quite saddened to hear the natal chart
being viewed in this way!

Natal charts are so beautiful, so much promise and potential.

Even the challenges and obstacles are wonderful opportunities to evolve and grow, and some day allow us to come off the karmic wheel.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:48 PM
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9. Sigh. I can totally relate.
But I would encourage you to ruminate on stella's posts especially; astrology really doesn't negate one's own free will, or one's ability to make choices that will lead us to happiness even when "the stars" appear to foretell against it.

I have a lot of issues I struggle with regarding how my potential might be shaped (read: not controlled, just influenced) by my astrological...limitations. I have Saturn in the 10th, too, and what I keep reading about the kind of career that predicts ("not going to be a rock star") doesn't jive with the kind of career I still sort of want ("I just want to be famous"). And don't even get me started on where I have Chiron in my natal chart (and where it is for me now...let's just say: this transit bites).

It's all about what you're willing and able to accept into and develop in your life. Don't let a constricted view of this beautiful art science help you complete any self-fulfilling prophecies about doom, gloom or failure in any area.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:20 PM
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11. Saturn in the 10th indicates potential
in career terms as a teacher or upholder of the law, and gives you slow but persistent progress.

These are only general influences, and the rest of the chart is important in terms of career direction.

And yes we have free will, we can use the energies in our chart for good or bad.

Chiron is neither good nor bad, it tells you about past karmic woundedness and what you need to work on in this life to heal.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:58 PM
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20. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be a famous writer.
Sort of. :-) Teacher...urm, I'd have to go back to grad school first, I'm told. Upholder of law? Er, maybe in the broadest possible sense of that term. It might be more like "defender of social justice." Just sayin'. See--I can be open-minded! It's all about potential.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 04:47 AM
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24. Look at in the wider sense, many ways to teach and uphold the law..
And yes it is all about talents and gifts you bring forward from past
lives, you can use them in many different ways.

Your success will most likely come gradually with persistent effort.

What kinds of things do you want to write?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:31 PM
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30. Best case scenario, I will produce an even amount of
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 08:35 PM by BlueIris
novels, poems and short fiction. I expect that my themes will continue to involve women and women's issues, family relationships, our society's relationship with its leaders and public figures, gender inequality, oppression, and our increasingly fragmented and isolated individual existences. Some day, I wouldn't mind producing some horror fiction, (a genre I've loved since I was a child) or works written for children or young adults. Why do you ask?
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:50 AM
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31. But is this not teaching and enforcement of universal law?
The kind of thing you want to write? I was just curious to see if the content of your writing matched the chart and it seems to me it does.

In one of my past lives I am supposed to have been the best friend to Jane Austin. I have always wondered why I am so obsessed with her in this life. She has a fascinating natal chart by the way. Nails her to a Tee.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 02:18 PM
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32. Oh! I thought you were going to tell me that my chart isn't "writerly."
Which I've heard before. Not that I believe it, because: duh. Been this way my whole life, current writer's-block issues aside.

Best friend to Jane Austin sounds like a nice past-life. In my past lives, I was a lot of really questionable things. :-)
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:24 PM
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33. Oh I was a lot of questionable things too...... that is the way with
past lives, good and bad on our journey.

I was also supposed to be one of Thomas More's, (the Irish poet), college professors at Trinity College in Dublin.

I have no idea if any of this is true, but that is what I got in a past life reading.

Never any one famous but involved with some who were, as friends, teachers, neighbors.

BTW two questions. What is in your 9th house?

And did you have any early childhood trauma?

You can PM me if you want, you don't have to answer publicly.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:42 PM
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34. Lessee, ninth house...
Edited on Sat Apr-22-06 05:43 PM by BlueIris
It might be best for me to just post this, from my astro.com page:

Jupiter Leo 02°38'40 09
Saturn Virgo 07°06'04 10
Uranus Scorpio 18°47'13 01
Neptune Sagittarius 19°48'34 02
Pluto Libra 16°54'20 12
True Node Virgo 14°48'53 10

*

8th House Gemini 07°29'34
9th House Cancer 09°57'45
Medium Coeli Leo 14°24'50
11th House Virgo 17°05'30
12th House Libra 15°09'30

Does that make sense? Juptier in Leo the 9th, right?

Yes, I had a lot of trauma in my early childhood. Not physical or sexual, but there are other kinds. I'm still dealing with all of that in therapy today, because child abuse really is the gift that keeps on giving, as most enlightened folks here know, I'm sure. If I have been interpreting my own chart correctly, Chiron is square my ascendant right now, reflecting my current challenges WRT addressing these emotional issues.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 09:03 PM
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35. My read of it.
I simply do not understand why others have said that you do not have writing potential. Perhaps someone else can explain that to me. I would be happy to see what others see in your chart. Also I welcome all and any feedback from others about my comments, I do not mind in the least, and in fact would like to be critiqued.

I will tell you what I see. First of all, very interesting you have Jupiter in just about the same spot as Jane Austin did, there in the MC in the 9th house. The house of publishing, books, dissemination of information. Yours is in Leo, which means that you are going to court success and plan on it, you have a strong desire to grow and expand, but you need to be careful that you are not too self focused and pleasure seeking.

You have Saturn in the 10th, along with the north node. This Saturn placement means that in your quest for success it can happen, but it will be slower, and require persistent effort. So you may have to discipline your self by scheduling regular times for writing and then stick with it. With Saturn there it seems that order and structure world be very important to your success. With the north node in Virgo, it means that in past lives (south node Pisces) you had a very good imagination, very artistic, but in this life you need to integrate that with logic, order, analytical skills. Again that theme of organized persistent effort.

Also your books may involve some sort of attempt to teach and/or uphold the law as I said before. This seems entirely consistent with the types of writing you are interested in, which involves social justice, social causes. As I said before, universal law, which is what you are writing about to a large extent.

And for a writing career it is important to have Gemini and Mercury emphasized in the chart, and you have that. Your pars fortune (a marker for success) is in Gemini. Also since it is in the 7th house, your success may be tied somehow to some sort of partnership.

Your Mercury is in Taurus, which means that you will most likely be concerned with practical communication. You will have good concentration, and a methodical literal mind that is slow to form opinions and assimilate facts. You may be a bit too rigid in your thinking, and somewhat stubborn in your thoughts, you may want to watch that.

Your mercury is in the 6th house which emphasizes service without the thought of reward or recognition, so one thing you might want to focus a bit on when writing is the good you are doing, how you are helping humanity. Write from heart and do not worry so much about the money of end of it.

Mars is your chart ruler, and it is conjunct mercury (communication), this means that you can be incisive, strong minded, and forceful with a flair for research. Your mercury is on the Descendant meaning that communication is very important to you, even over relationships and love perhaps. These two planets are part of a little powerhouse stellium that all trine back to Saturn in the 10th so you have a lot of energy hitting that 10th house (career).

You do have a number of squares going from that stellium to Jupiter so success may be hard won.

You have Uranus near the ascendant which indicated someone with charisma who can bring about social change, which is the kind of thing you want to write about.

For someone who writes fiction I like to see some Neptune and you have that aspect to your Saturn and to your mercury stellium, which includes Venus. These are flags for artistic talent.

And then for an author of the horror genre I would like to see some 12th house emphasis or Pluto, and lo and behold you have Pluto in the 12th house. This is a perfect placement for someone who wants to write horror stories. This placement means you have to face the deepest darkest places in your psyche. Most people do not want to see this placement, but for someone who wants to write horror stories it is perfect. You also have that Scorpio ascendant which makes for intensity and passion and darkness as well. (That 12h Pluto is very karmic and means that you wanted to really chew up some karma this lifetime. It makes for a bumpy ride at times, but means that you have the potential to evolve a great deal in this life.)

You have an earth grand trine which is giving you a lot of power in your chart that you may take for granted and under utilize. In writing you may want to write abut information that comes thru your senses and use your intuition as you have some fire connected to the earth trine.

I would like to see you try to get some air into the equation, and you may have to mediate if you can to get more in your head and out of your body a bit.

Also a block is that you have Chiron conjunct your mercury and is part of that stellium. This means that you have some past life karmic block on communication and a wound to your self esteem, a sense of not being good enough and self critical which can spill over on to others. You may also have issues around security and status. But this placement when faced, can give you an original mind, intuitively logical, potential for teaching. Again you need to keep on eye on being too rigid.

All in all I see quite a few good markers in you natal chart for doing the kind of writing you would like to do, along with some ideas to think about in terms of blocks.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 10:13 PM
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37. Thanks so much, cassie!
Edited on Sat Apr-22-06 10:26 PM by BlueIris
Since you asked, those who didn't think my chart was well-suited for a career as a writer have sometimes mentioned the Mercury-in-Taurus issue, claiming that this would be okay for a journalist, (which was what I had originally planned to do) but lousy for a creative writer, especially a poet or novelist. To be fair to the critics, I have noticed that many, many people born on my birthday, especially those with Scorpio Rising signs, were journalists, essayists and authors of non-fiction. Some who have doubted my potential skill with writing also pointed to my natal Uranus in Scorpio in the first, alleging that it was more likely to cause insanity or psychological infirmity than facilitate the mental brilliance it is also known for--another strike against me as an artist. To be fair to myself, I happen to believe that I'm an amazing writer--when I write (and primarily when it's not on the Internet). I'm also a good thinker, even a great one at times, though not with regard to every subject, and I still have to work around the occasional rigidity you noted.

You're right that I often prefer using my art to communicate constructive messages about the collective, and that in general, (though not always) art and literature are more valuable to me if they have at least some practical application or resonance. And it's nice to have confirmation that my Pluto in the 12th could be useful for someone who wants to publish a little horror fiction in her lifetime--I've read that the "greats" in that genre (like King and Arthur Machen) had a lot of energy in the 12th.

Really, the only thing holding me up is that pesky self-esteem quagmire you mention--I think it's interesting that it's astrologically connected to communication. That's...hmmm. I think I knew I had that Chiron conjunct Mercury formation natally, but I'd forgotten about it. My self-esteem issues have really been crippling my ability to write throughout these last few years, but it wasn't always that way. Like many American women, I used to have high self-esteem, especially with regard to my writing, (which, up until age 21, was the sole ability I felt completely confident about) but that esteem got mutilated in my final two years of college. That destroyed a lot of the progress I'd made in my life until that point, and undermined everything positive I tried to do after that, even my attempts to continue creating my art. Getting esteem and confidence back is a goal I've been really working hard at, particularly during 2006, (yay, therapy!) and the problem is becoming easier to deal with (although, as one of my counselors says, it's going to be "an uphill struggle" for a while yet).

Here's something I've wanted an astrologer's input on for a while now--I plan on publishing my fiction (at least some of it) under a pseudonym. That's why I posted I was sure I'd be a "famous writer...Sort of." My work may become famous, (eventually) even providing an extra source of income for me, but my "real life" identity likely won't be well known (that's my hope, at least). Is there anything in my natal chart that indicates success under a pen name?

Do you have any more tips about how to get more "air" into my environment or attitude? I definitely think a more "airy" outlook would help me with mental and intellectual flexibility.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:37 AM
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38. Comments
With all due respect, the comments given to you by others are much too narrow and simplistic, in my opinion. They are not looking at your chart as a whole, and certainly not looking at the whole Mercury grouping.

I am aghast that you would be told that because of a Merc in Taurus you cannot write fiction, and because of Uranus in the first you are too insane to write! Good Lord! First of all I think that is not the way to talk to clients, and secondly I do not see it that way at all, in fact the opposite as I will describe below. It is really important to look at the chart as a whole and put it all together. When you interpret a chart you have to break it down into its specific pieces, but for the love of heaven, you have to put it all back together to interpret it correctly! FYI at the end of this post I make some general comments about chart interpretation that might help you see what I am talking about.

For the people who made the comment about your Merc in Taurus, they should have stepped back and really looked at its placement. I agree that a Taurus Merc, if it were sitting all by itself could be boring and pedantic. However that is not what you have! Just look at your chart. Do you see the three planets and Chiron all lined up in a stellium? That Merc in Taurus is not sitting by itself in isolation. (And on a technical note some may think the orbs are a bit wide, or may quibble that two of the planets are in other signs, but I disagree. They are close enough to affect each other, and the different signs make for a very interesting mix. And some may object to me considering Chiron in that grouping, but again I disagree. How can you just discount data that is sitting right in front of your eyes?). Your stellium is half earth, half fire. Mer in Taurus sounds quite boring by itself I agree. However yours is in a lineup with Chiron, Mars and Venus and the later are in Aries. Wowy. That gives it an entirely different feel. There is a little power house of planets all feeding energy to each other. A combination of earth and fire. Think of tuning forks, all vibrating with different energy, fire and earth energy. The energy all combines in a unique way. And then the house placement tells you where they will manifest. And since they are in the 6th house it is going to affect health and work the most. Again when you write it has to be with the intent of being some sort of service to humanity. And I certainly think that fiction can do that as well as non fiction. Providing entertainment that allows people to relax, or escape, or learn and grow is of service.

So I do not see you can interpret that Merc in Taurus without looking at the whole grouping. The Mars is in Aries and that makes for a very brash, bold, aggressive, impatient and reckless energy. Venus in Aries is passionate, erotic, idealistic, hedonistic, impulsive and demanding. And the Mars and Venus are conjunct to there is the very sensual and passionate feeling, romantic idealism, very affectionate. Frankly I am glad there is an earth anchor to these two planets. You can express all that energy in a practical down to earth way. And all that fire hitting your Merc certainly jazzes it up!

Also it is important when interpreting a chart to listen to the question the client is asking and think it through. Someone who wants to be creative and an artist, especially one who wants to write horror fiction is going to need a bit of insanity in their chart, especially one that has so much earth in it. So the Uranus in the first and Pluto in the 12th are nice additions, perhaps even necessary additions. A dash of darkness and chaos to add angst that earth. And you have Chiron sitting on top of your Merc, which means you have some woundedness to your communication. But again I think that is what makes a good artist, the angst and suffering, the struggle, other wise you would be too boring to be a good artist, if that makes sense! Some touches of insanity if you will, are going to be very helpful in your artistic career. The links between madness and creativity are well documented in the psych research literature. Please hear me though that you have just enough to be an interesting writer, not necessarily enough for full blown clinical syndromes! You have all that earth mitigating it.

And I did consider and think strongly about that Merc in Taurus, and in fact all that earth in your chart, but you also have just as much fire in your chart. So I think the earth makes a nice balance. All the fire in you chart indicates that our have creativity, intuition, optimism, insight intelligent, vision, motivation. On the other side you can be prone to not competing tasks, or get burned out. But all the earth in your chart is going to help mitigate that.

Something else that keeps coming up in your chart is a need for security and external validation and that may be holding you back. You need to move from an external locus of control, (tapes form thru authority figures, teachers, gurus, etc) and into an inner locus that is the voice of the Self. When you can achieve this you can be quite capable of acting as a guide to life both for yourself and society. (Moon in Cap)

With your sun in Taurus, you are going to be seeing the world primarily thru your senses. You tend to be obstinate and unmoving and have to learn perseverance and endurance. That is a theme that keeps coming up over and over in your chart, by the way. That you must focus on slow and steady progress and not get impatient. You must also know when to move on, and get out of a rut. And a main lesson is that you must learn to achieve inner security rather than identify with possessions, money, and status. This theme keeps coming up over and over again in your chart.

Your Scorpio ascendant when expressed positively can be penetrating, insightful and capable of healing self and others. It can have a dark side and be suspicious, hostile and vindictive, but if you can control these might be really nice for the horror stories!

Uranus in the first house means that you came back into this life expecting chaos ad sudden upheavals and upsets. This soul may need constant stimulation and acceptance of self as an individual. It is an independent soul who needs others to support that or it will feel smothered. A karmic lesson is to evolve steadily rather than under go thru periodic total change and revolution as a means of growth.

Too little air can mean that you act on feelings rather than logical and rational thought, have a hard time being objective, but you have enough earth perhaps to balance that out. But again these are not bad traits for some one who wants to write fiction. You may want to try to learn detachment a bit without losing the connection to feelings, and use your mind and spiritual awareness to connect to world.

You have that fire and earth combination which suggests enormous staying power and you can use the earthy part o harness the fire. You will want to use your passion in an n earthy practical way perhaps.

Also you might want to think about writing some novels with sexual components. You have a a lot of sensuality, erotic stuff, passion and some intensity in your chart, and you could really write some nice bodice ripper type novels I think. If that is not your thing, at least think about adding it to your fiction. Your chart seems very erotic to me with all that fire and earth, and the Mars, Venus, Merc combination. And with the 12h Pluto have you thought about writng Gothic type romances? Or some sort of thrillers, horror, romantic, sexual combination? I think that there are several genres that lend itself to that combination.

Chart interpretation is a very complicated process. First you have to break down all the parts and determine the meaning of each. Then you have to look at the groupings of the pieces and evaluate them in that context. Then you have to step back and look at the chart as a whole. And then have to address the specific questions the client is asking. And interpret in the context of the person’s personal situation and history, due to the whole free will aspect. So it is a complicated and tricky process, where you are juggling a lot of balls at one time, and synthesizing tremendous amounts of data. I come to astrology with a lot of experience doing that kind of thing from my day job! Large amounts of data which I have to interpret in just the way you have to do for astrology. And then explain it to others with no training in the field and answer their specific questions.

I think a good astrologer has to be very good technically, stay close to the data, but then must synthesize data on many levels, and then interpret in the context of the individual client in way that has meaning to their specific questions. I do not claim to be an expert, I am just learning, but it seems these are the goals as I see them.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:36 AM
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43. Wow. Thanks for all that. It's great.
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 12:37 AM by BlueIris
It's nice to know that someone else thinks my Mercury won't be the kind of artistic hindrance that other astrologers have suggested. Looking back at your first reply though, I think I understand some of the ways Merc in Taurus is problematic (though not highly so, although I can get, as you caution me against, impatient and frustrated with the hang-ups it causes me). That Uranus in Scorpio in the first gives me a quick mind, and sometimes it is so infuriating to have to try to get out all of the ideas that are always popping up in my head when my Mercury communication instincts want to write them out, even just the first snippets of inspiration, so maddeningly slowly and carefully. (As you can imagine, I get a lot of mileage out of scratch pads and notebooks.) There's also kind of a block that happens sometimes between inception of thoughts and articulation of them; it's like they get stuck coming out of my brain. Doesn't mean I'm inarticulate--I consider myself to have keen perspicuity--but occasionally I really, really, have to work at it. Not just with my creative writing, with my writing about everything else. It's kicking my butt with regard to my blog, right now. I'm only churning out entries sporadically and it takes me forever to compose them.

Man, your post hit all of the major "credit" and "debit" themes of my life, most of which seem to be really "with me" this week--especially that ongoing problem I have with deciding to take on too much, and trying to finish everything I've started before a) I get mentally burned out on projects or b) I'm too physically exhausted or emotionally fried to continue working on them. I've gotten better at finding the balance between how much I can handle and how much would push me over the edge, and Taurean endurance can help me pick up the slack when I've over-extended myself, but sometimes I get a tad too ambitious and then get stuck. Like tonight, when I'm kicking myself for promising three different acquaintances I'd help them with errands--which has left me wiped. And I know I'll have to really watch myself in this area when it comes to my writing because I think most of the works I've abandoned were left incomplete because what I was trying to do with them was too far-reaching in length or content for my exhaustion-prone self to finish before my desire to finish them died.

I also have to post, that this?

"...nice bodice ripper type novels I think. If that is not your thing, at least think about adding it to your fiction. Your chart seems very erotic to me with all that fire and earth, and the Mars, Venus, Merc combination. And with the 12h Pluto have you thought about writing Gothic type romances? Or some sort of thrillers, horror, romantic, sexual combination? I think that there are several genres that lend itself to that combination."

Is hilarious to me. Though friends and family would never guess it in a thousand years, one book I had planned to write was a comic erotic murder mystery set in space. My erotic side is my private side. I think you're the first person outside of my significant others to have guessed I might have one. Thus far, it hasn't factored into any of the writing I've disclosed to my "public" (teachers, professors, fellow authors). I'm not sure I will wind up writing any "bodice rippers," "Gothic novels" or "thrillers," though I have been drawn to suspense. My work aims a little higher than what I've seen in even good erotic or Gothic novels, is all. I tried writing, er, "beneath" my abilities a couple of years ago (in an attempt at a silly, marketable, three hundred page romance) and couldn't do it. Once an artist ascends above a certain level, there's no going back, I think. Well, unless he suffers brain damage or something and then regresses or simply forgets the intellectual range and skill he used to have (Stephen King, for example). Not to mention that before I could start trying to incorporate the erotic into my art, I'd have to finish re-incorporating it into my life. My interest in sex and sexuality has been paired down since 2003, and while I'm told it will be possible to regain it, involving more emotional healing than the physical kind, it'll be ages before I'm ready to bring it anywhere near my writing.

Thanks again; you've given me tons to ponder.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 07:29 AM
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46. Your Merc-Chiron conjunction indicates some sort of karmic wound
around communication. It may have been a physical problem in past lives since Merc is in the 6th house, or connected to a relationship since Chiron is in the 7th, or a combination of the two somehow. I will have to give it some more thought and look at it again.

I think any genre has various levels of sophistication and talent. Certainly there are suspense, gothic, romance authors who have surpassed their competition and really became part of the mainstream.

And if you look at Jane Austin she is a good example, on the surface she was wring a romantic comedy, but underneath a powerful story about the changing status of women, about the plight of women who were nothing without a husband, and the changing mores about social class and marriage. Her uranus is strongly placed in her chart as well. So I think an artist can create at many levels. Also look at the Bronte sisters.

And maybe just as well you don't go too sexual in your writing, it might get "banned in Boston"!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 05:27 PM
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50. Okay, to those I offended by posting that erotica isn't "enough" for me,
I do know that in its highest form, erotic art, or the challenge of blending writing from that genre with other genres, is just as sophisticated as other kinds of art, and I'm sure (based on my limited exploration) that good erotica is often harder to construct than work done in other modes. Some of my favorite erotica authors are incredible writers, and now that cassie has me ruminating on it, many of them have worked skillfully-written eroticism into their genres of choice, usually horror. Ramsey Campbell, for instance, and my beloved Dennis Etchison, are magnificent horror writers who manage to put a lot of sex and sensuality in their stories and still allow them to be engaging, but serious fiction. I just fear that by throwing the erotic into my more ambitious work, I would wind up making it seem almost comical. There isn't room for that in a majority of the "good" work I've produced so far. But I guess I could consider exploring that.

And, yeah, the placement of Chiron and Mercury, suggesting, as you write, self-esteem issues and physical problems from past lives--well, that's probably significant. I'll admit that the crisis from which I am yet rebuilding self-esteem and my health in this life, a struggle that as I've mentioned, undercut my ability to create art, came about as the result of a physical problem, which "caused" a relationship to collapse, which, well, a long-term partner leaving you because you have a (curable) health issue he finds undesirable and doesn't want to "wait" around for you to sort out--that is not good for one's self-esteem, capacity to trust others, or optimism for an enjoyable future (with partners or anything else).
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 06:42 PM
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54. LOL who did you offend? You must have gotten some interesting PMs :)
Your points are well taken, erotica, good erotica, is very difficult to write and also may dilute what you are trying to say.

I am just saying that if you wanted to go in that direction your chart seems to say you could. But you may not want to do that for some very good reasons, as you have listed.

Keep in mind I am only throwing out ideas, and I do not really know much about the writing/publishing industry. Only as a consumer, I am not a professional author like you! So take what I say with a grain of salt.

My job is to help people think outside the lines and come up with unique ways to solve their problems, or get unstuck in life. But my ideas are just that, only ideas to think about and see if they fit or not.....Sometimes people who are stuck need a bit of a push, sometimes they need a whole paradigm shift. Just depends on each person! But each person has to decide from themselves what feels right!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:06 AM
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47. Scorpio Asc means that you will want to face taboo areas of life
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 08:23 AM by cassiepriam
which is really what you are talking about with the social change and horror genres.

You might want to consider combining the two areas. I know you have seen them as separate product lines, but it is possible to do both in one writing.

A problem for you is going to be that Taurus rigidity of thought, and since you have both Sun and Merc in Taurus you have a double dose. You will have to listen to others perhaps about thinking outside the box.

I am the opposite, I am mostly water and some air. With a triple grand water trine, and air trine I am very creative, in an original and unique way. However I have little earth in my chart so the follow thru can be a problem,
and I can be scattered in my creativity.

What that means is that I have to consult or get help from those with some earth and more air to balance me. I am not going to let short comings in my natal chart stop me from what I want to do, I am just going to be honest with myself about the weaknesses and get help to meet my goals!


And thank god I have an earth ascendant or I would just live outside the box and never be in the real world!

Edited to add: It is just an idea, but if you want to hit a wider audience with your views on social issues, you might want to add sex and some of the Pluto scorpio (weird stuff :) (the horror, scifi etc)... people like to be entertained and titillated and you can teach them some important values in the process.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 05:36 PM
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51. About taboos and "thinking outside the box":
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 05:44 PM by BlueIris
It's so interesting that this would come up now--just as I was noticing that all of the recent writing I've been doing has been about facing taboos I have never dared touch before in my art. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with all of the recently completed pieces, truthfully--I've put myself much farther out there in any of them than I have in anything else I've ever done. It's makes sense that it's tied up in my Scorpio-ness. Sigh. I love my ascendant. There could not have been a better rising sign for me to have been given in this life, really.

Also, I consider myself extremely grateful to have learned a long time ago that there is no substitute for an excellent editor. Like Elliot, I recognize that an editor is often the better craftsman. I've actually been told that one of the faults I will have to watch out for in the future is wanted to make too many of the changes those I solicit writing advice from will recommend. Being able to see the value in an editor's criticisms is important, but so is wanting to fight for the integrity of your own artistic vision a little. One instructor I had, who was himself a nationally known editor, cautioned me against allowing the "voices of too many others" to dilute my own. But I'm looking forward to meeting my editors of the future. Since your brought up past lives, I wanted to post that one thing a past life reader told me about the novel I'm trying to finish is that it may take up to five years from now to see publication, because of a lengthy editing process that I will feel has made it better than I could have ever imagined. I'm totally excited about that.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. That is consistent with your saturn placement...
slow steady persistent progress.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:47 AM
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39. PS on the pseudonym.
There can be indications in a person's natal chart that speak to your very question about duality of career, and anonymity, public vs private creative work.

I need to look at your chart further and go dig up some more information for you. Will let you know what I find.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 06:56 PM
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48. pen name
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 07:00 PM by cassiepriam
One of the major flags is Sag and Gem nodes, which can lead to a double life kind of karma, but that is more when one part of one's life is totally hidden from the public.

You don't have the nodes in either of those signs, but that doesn't mean it is ruled out.

It is interesting however that your pars fortune, a sign of where you will find success in your life is located in Gemini, one of the dual signs. Indicates a possible a duality of some sort perhaps, could be a pen name.

Also I am including info about this placement:

Part of Fortune in GEMINI: The characteristic style of Gemini is to reach out and communicate. The person with the Part of Fortune in Gemini uses his communication skills and his ability to learn as he pursues happiness and success.

PART OF FORTUNE IN THE EIGHTH HOUSE:

The person with his Part of Fortune in the eighth house is like a walking testimonial to eighth house matters if he uses this placement correctly. He is interested in the occult, has good powers of regeneration and rejuvenation, and can be an expert at investigation, research, detective work. He can keep a secret so well that he is like an international diplomat, and he can indeed earn a living this way. This person can also make a living based on the talents and abilities of others, as a theatrical agent or manage other people's money. This person is usually very attractive, due to personal magnetism.


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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 05:45 PM
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52. Thanks! My "normal" life has a ton of duality already, so it makes sense
that this kind of doubling would carry over into my writing life.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 05:14 PM
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49. I can't believe how much you managed to find here!
This observation, I think, is especially accurate:

"Mars is your chart ruler, and it is conjunct mercury (communication), this means that you can be incisive, strong minded, and forceful with a flair for research. Your mercury is on the Descendant meaning that communication is very important to you, even over relationships and love perhaps."

Research is one of my strong suits, though my abilities there can falter if I am tired, or, you guessed it, frustrated. Also, caring about communication, namely my fiction and poetry, more than I do about relationships, love or sex, is something I used to feel guilty about. Now, I've just accepted it. It's the way I'm cut out. But it will be an issue I consider carefully before pursuing any relationships in the future, I'm sure.

And I can't stop thinking about this:

"And for a writing career it is important to have Gemini and Mercury emphasized in the chart, and you have that. Your pars fortune (a marker for success) is in Gemini. Also since it is in the 7th house, your success may be tied somehow to some sort of partnership."

Partnerships, when I can find ones that give back to me as much as I put into them--can be wonderful and rewarding to me. But I've always imagined my success, which you are right to conclude may be very hard won, if the past is any indicator, as coming from my own efforts. Although this may be just a lingering fear of being disappointed by partnerships in the future, as most of mine from the past have let me down quite spectacularly. More topics for the therapist's office. Just out of curiosity--is there any way to tell what sort of partnership this will be--a romantic interest? A teacher? A professional, like an editor or publisher (or publishing entity)?

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 09:18 PM
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36. Early childhood trauma and horror genre authors
I am glad that you are addressing these issues in therapy and the Chiron square Asc is a very good time to do that.

I wonder if you are aware that early child hood trauma is linked to a very good potential for writing horror stores. One psychiatrist wrote a book (Too Scared To Cry) about this, and stated her strong belief that most of the very successful horror authors had early childhood trauma. She detailed many authors like Stephen King, Poe, etc. She said that the damage to the psyche comes thru so well in their writing and that makes them superb authors who give others a glimpse into that pain.

That history, with Pluto in the 12th is really a strong backdrop for your writing abilities. Perhaps therapy can help you heal and focus enough to use your writing as a further healing tool. And that really is what the most brilliant horror writers were trying to do, is write about their pain in fictionalized stories over and over again, trying to release the pain. You can see the abuse themes in their writing.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 02:10 PM
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42. Oh and your neptune!
I was out of the house doing some errands, and I was thinking I would like to have seen more neptune in your chart for creative writing. And then I came back and looked at your chart, and started smiling. Lucky you, there is Neptune sitting in your 2nd house along with your moon. This is very significant because in karmic astrology the 2nd house is the gift house, it is the credit on your karmic credit card in life. You get these gifts for being a good girl (or boy) in past lives!)

Neptune confers the gift of imagination and spirituality! Not bad for a writer is it! And the moon indicates an ability to mother or nurture others. Your Neptune aspects your 10th house Saturn and your MC which is career and ambition. Neptune also looks like it is trining Venus? Which is a sign of creative artistic talent, as well as your Mars, the chart ruler. All going into the Mercury stellium.

Also I wanted to say that Uranus there on the Asc is good for someone who wants to write about change, and it is sending energy to your Jupiter in the house of publishing. And to your neptune.

Also it looks to me like someone who is very rational and logical, very mental, lots of air in their chart might help you with your projects. Perhaps as an editor or mentor. Someone very mentally lively kind of thing. Just something to keep in mind. It would feel collaborative to you because it is in the 7th house.

Oh I was thinking more about your writing steamy novels. With all the earth in a grand trine, connecting to your aries and Taurus stellium I think if you write sexy stuff make sure that you include things that emphasize the five senses. You have a lot of that kind of thing in your chart. I won't go into the graphic details, I do not want to get banned by the mods! :) But you get the drift.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:43 AM
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44. Hee. "Steamy novels." At least they'd be read.
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 12:49 AM by BlueIris
Actually, you've got me wondering if I jumped the gun in ruling out a career or sub-career as a screenwriter. Hollywood could use more decently written sex scenes.

And how awesome is it that my Uranus is suited for someone whose work is deeply connected to themes about change, especially on the social front? Also, nice catch on the Jupiter in the 9th--sometimes, we amateurs can be staring something obvious right in the face and not see it. At all.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 05:23 AM
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45. Yes, nothing like steamy scenes to up sales :)
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 05:31 AM by cassiepriam
Screen writing, that is an interesting thought. Why did you rule it out?

Random thoughts: In Hollywood you might be able to reach a wider audience and you can sneak in your ideas about change and universal law. As you say, some decently written stuff.

I think you have enough fire and drama (Scorpio Asc) in your chart to fit in Hollywood, but enough earth to keep you grounded. And of course you have all that erotic stuff going on so Hollywood would like you!

But how are you at dialog and actual conversation scenes? That would be a big part of screen writing? That doesn't look like your strong suit in your chart. That is why you might need someone to collaborate with on the part??
But then again I am not an expert in what screenwriters actually do. If you fill me in more I could respond better.

Oh yes, the Jup in 9th, was the very first thing I noticed, house of publishing and books, dissemination of info.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 06:02 PM
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53. For the record: dialog is one of my favorite parts of writing.
It's one of the reasons I started enjoying fiction, which I hadn't touched at all before age 22--I was just sure I was going to write poetry and only poetry. The writers for whom I've had the most love are those who can construct realistic but engaging dialog, especially those who write for the stage and screen (Aaron Sorkin, William Goldman, David Mammet and many the playwrights of the Irish theater). I am a HUGE fan of Hemmingway--a widely misunderstood and under appreciated writer, in my opinion--and several other moderns whose work practically hinges on the effectiveness of its characters conversations, like my beloved John O'Hara. Dialog can be tricky, but is one of the best parts about the creative process for me.

For the record, I've ruled out Hollywood (for now) because a) life in L.A. sounds wretched, b) I'm concentrating on completing and publishing my novels, some short stories, and some new poems right now, and wouldn't want to get distracted by another craft until that's done, and c) I've never had formal training or education in the technical art of film-making. I think I'd want to figure out what all that is about before trying to finish any of my screenplay ideas. Also--writing for the movies (or even t.v.) is a tough gig. Believe it or not, I think it would be easier for me to hammer out a life in higher ed, publishing or editing than it would be to try to subsist in Tinsel Town. There's a lot of money in that business, true, but the writers don't get any of it.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 06:49 PM
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56. Yes I think Hollywood would be a very tough place for an artist.
Not the healthiest place to live on many levels.
And yes I agree that you could make an easier buck in many other places and not have to sell your soul in the process!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:13 PM
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10. There is no bad natal chart. They are like babies, all beautiful
and full of promise.

Some natal charts are more complex than others, with many karmic lessons to learn, but always there is potential for much good, even greatness in each chart. A natal chart is divinity, it is from God.
It is beautiful.

A bad life is not the fault of the planetary energies outlined in the natal chart, it is the misuse of free will.

Nothing is pre-ordained, nothing is set in stone. We have free will, we can make whatever we want out of the gifts, talents , potentials given to us.

And of course you can get married and have a family if that is what you want. There is nothing in a natal chart that would prevent that.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:40 PM
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15. I am learning.....
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 04:43 PM by sparosnare
and grateful for the insight of people like you who are light years ahead of where I am. I didn't seek out astrology; it's as if I was pushed towards it and I'm beginning to understand the potential that comes with knowing.

I've done the marriage thing and am at a place in my life where it doesn't matter to me anymore. My statement came from what I wanted when I was younger but that has changed due to my life experiences...and I am beginning to accept that it's OK. I struggled for years with my traditional upbringing and pressure from my parents while trying to find my own way and learn who I am as an individual. :hi:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:53 PM
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16. In medical school it is well known that the students think they are
coming down with every disease they study.

When you first start studying astrology it is the same way.
You think you have every bad thing you read about!
Be careful, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. :)

And I have to say my interest is karmic astrology and I see the chart in a way that is different from the classic astrologers.

Good luck on your journey. The natal chart is telling you what you hoped to do in this life.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:03 PM
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18. Try not to see people with insight/knowledge in some areas as being
light years ahead of you, for this detracts from your wholeness (Holiness) IMHO.

I learn from just about everybody, and know that I give to others as well. After a door is opened it often doesn't take very long at all to leap "ahead" in your own insights and gifts to give.

Just my take on this.....

:hug:

DemEx
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 05:21 AM
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25. I agree 100% with you DemPat, so very true what you say :) nt
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:59 PM
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17. I like your explanation, cassie.....
You are right about free will, for whenever I have had to face crises in my adult life, I often have had a powerful and mournful feeling that circumstances leading to it were somehow partly due to my not being discerning in the exercise of my free will.
Not a guilt trip feeling at all - just an overpowering intuitive feeling to face an acute awareness of my possible role in the "event" or circumstances.

My horoscope says that I am not the marrying kind - and it is true, I have never married my partner and father of our 2 kids. I am fiercely independent and wary of being "too committed" in a man/woman relationship, (can't conceive of changing my name to a man's! :D) but we have stuck it out together so far and have reaped some wonderful gifts of having in some respects accepted each other and our conditions for remaining in a relationship.
It hasn't been easy, hasn't been the classic marriage or partnership, but unique to our needs and preferences.

DemEx

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 05:27 AM
Response to Reply #17
26. Perhaps you were meant to balance independence and partnership
in this life. Your chart's Venus placement and aspects will tell you what you brought forward from past lives around love relationships.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:38 PM
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19. sweetie
post your month, day, year, time, and place of birth for further insights.

I can probably figure out vaguely when it is by what you posted but this is my busy season so I'd prefer you to simplify for expedience sake.

No on will do "bad magic" on you here dear, I promise. : )

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:54 PM
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21. OK. Here's my info -
May 21, 1965 @ 07:11 EST, Altoona PA. Thanks in advance for your insight! :hi:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:48 PM
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22. okay will check it out tomorrow
am too exhausted tonight. Will have fresher eyes tomorrow I swear.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:25 PM
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23. Instead of fighting your destiny, look into what it means for you.
My life didn't turn out the way I planned when I was young, but I did have an interesting and fulfilling life more so than if I had gotten what I wanted. I'm glad I didn't know ahead of time because I too would have been depressed. So explore the options you have and follow your heart.

It may turn out that your chart didn't reveal everything after all and you may be in for a pleasant surprise.

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:09 AM
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27. Okay
This is by no means a thorough look at your chart but I tried to address some of the concerns you might have.

Yeah. I can well imagine that many of the cookbook interpretations for aspects such as your mutable oppositions and squares wouldn't have necessarily created a warm and fuzzy feeling for you. This is such an unusual configuration and suggests that you can make a big difference over the course of your life.

These aspects are really intensely unique though as the Pluto Uranus conjunction opposed Saturn and Chiron in the mid to late 60's was such a rarity and resulted in momentous collective change. If you look to that period of time when you were born it was the threshold of the sexual revolution, the peace, environmental, civil rights , and feminist movements, you may grasp and identify with the enormity of these energies. Another factor of the time of your nativity you might want to be mindful of was the importation of Eastern mysticism in to the collective consciousness. to say nothing of the British rock invasion. : )

Your Mars and Ceres on this axis represents a tremendous amount of transformative and nurturing energy to channel. How you will choose to do this may still remain a mystery at present but personal planets in Virgo often result in circuitous life paths because they compel one to do something intensely meaningful with their lives. Of course this is true of many others but it's always so much more pronounced with this sort of placement. What one derives meaning from can indeed change over time.

You've only just moved through your Uranus opposition. This is a generic transit associated with what the psychologists call "mid life crisis." They only see the aberrations though not the graceful reorientations that most experience. It's only a crisis in the lives of those who have a great disparity between their inner and outer lives. But it is a turning point for sure through which one can shed a whole lot of limitations.

Your 12th house is really quite lovely though and really suggests a tremendous amount of support from other dimensions and great wisdom. The trine between those early Gemini planets and your Moon creates an inner harmony that counterbalances a great deal of the inner tension of your mutable squares.

It's interesting that you felt as though arriving at a place of personal happiness was illusive when your progressed Venus only recently changed signs and is now at zero degrees of Leo. So redefining the source of your happiness may take some time. Fortunately your progressed Moon is in Leo as well and will be in that sign for another 20 months so that will help you adjust to this transition markedly.

You will have your progressed Jupiter cross your ascendant in later life which could make you one of the happier campers on the planet.

I hope that helps a bit.

You are by no means doomed dear. You are divinely challenged : )
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:23 AM
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28. "divinely challenged....hee hee"
That made me chuckle. I don't want to comment just yet on what you've told me; would like some time to digest and ponder. You've helped a great deal, thank you. :hug:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:56 PM
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29. anytime dear
If you ever need further info feel free to PM me. Keep smiling in the meantime.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:47 AM
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40. Sparo, I will pm you with my comments
Hopefully next week I can put some things together for you!
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