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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 06:59 PM
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Something IS in the air, if you're wondering what's going on, it's this:
CO-DEPENDENCY is being blown up. Period.

If you are codependent and not doing much about it, then this week has been almost impossible and very well may get worse.
Your insides (Pluto) are demanding that you get free of it.

You can do it!

If, however, you are making progress at getting past this, this is a MARVELOUS time for you, one of regaining your power and independence.

It's happening everywhere I look. I mean everywhere. It's "because" Mars just conjuncted Pluto and is "demanding it."

This is no idle statemtent.

Best of luck. :hi:
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 07:13 PM
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1. oh %^*&(&^%$#$^&!!!!
thanks for the heads up, i am feeling the rockin & rollin.

codependency, and self sabotage are my issues for sure this week, and i have to stop feeling like a bad person for being not-so-good with willpower and holding my own space.

greeaaat! it hurts, too, ya know...even if we *are* making progress
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:10 PM
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2. Does saying "fuck it" count?
Selectively, of course--not to everything. Today my mom asked how I got through a tough time in the recent past, and I said "Because I stopped caring". :shrug:
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:52 PM
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3. It oughta count for something! nt
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:25 PM
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9. I relate to that phrase!
I've been doing a fair amount of self-talk along the lines of "Hey, I *don't* have control over that, so fuck it!"

Kinda energizing, actually.
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PhillyGurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:56 PM
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4. Oh yes, started a new job
felt a little overwhelmed at first, but am detaching and living one day at a time, feeling some of that power and independence.

I do feel that many of my "issues" and ways of dealing with things are worn out, and it is time to move on and look for the positive in change (which is always something I have had anxiety with, change) The more I give up the illusion of control, the easier it is to say 'what the hell do I have to lose by trying something new?' Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Of course MFR is twisting me with computer probs, but overall this has not been a bad merc retro cycle. :hi:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:59 PM
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5. I'm pretty sure that I know what MFR means!
:rofl:

:thumbsup:


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PhillyGurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:06 PM
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6. LOL
mercury F'ING retrograde. It's been a long-standing pejorative in my family for decades. :rofl:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:23 PM
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8. Yup! I was right!
:D

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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:24 PM
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11. Yes, it stands for
M _ _ _ _ R _ F _ _ K _ _ _ R _ _ R _ _ _ _ D E

can I buy a cuss word?
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:54 AM
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27. And voila... MFR enters the ASAH vernacular...
:rofl:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:54 AM
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29. ...
:thumbsup:

:rofl:

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:18 PM
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7. Yup, been feeling depressed again this week,
after having thrown it off after I realized months ago he is sociopath, keeping me under his thumb for 7 years, +-.

Separated, but family matters keep us 'attached,' and cropping up/growing this week.

Damn.
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findrskeep Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:15 PM
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10. My son came home this afternoon and told me
he is thinking of joining the army. I am completely devastated. I've been crying since 3 O'clock this afternoon. He's a great kid. He as a good job and he's going to community college where we live. He wants to be a police officer and some people have been telling him that he'd have a better chance at becoming one if he joins the army. My husband and I have talked to him until we have no words left. He's 18 and he says he has made up his mind. He's already seen a recruiter today and going back to take a test tomorrow. I don't how to stop him or what else I can do...I'm sick over this and my heart is broken. I don't know if this qualifies as one of the things Rick is referring to, but all I do know is that my world changed this afternoon:(
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:49 PM
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18. Oh Jeez...
I got sucked into that - they really do have a great ad campaign. To be honest, the Army did do wonders for me in that it helped me become more organized and except hardship/inconveniences. That being said, I hope your son realizes that in the military, he is merely a number. During training he will realize how expendable he is to "the mission". There are also a lot of fuckwads in high places in the Army - some of his superiors will be idiots and cowards, though some will also be persons to look up to. I don't know what to say. When you are young, or are sitting in comfort, there is no way to convey the horrors of being shipped off to Afghanistan. In the end, your beloved son is going to do what he has to do, and he's going to have to find out some cold, hard facts for himself. He has a mother who is there for him, and who loves him, and he will know this whenever the times get tough. Hopefully he has an easy stint in Germany or some other such scenic place.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:49 PM
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32. i DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL HELP...
Sorry for the all caps , forgot it was locked! Anyway, here goes. Two of my grandchildren from the same daughter were raised as PK's (preacher's kids) Both went into the service, my grandson in the Air Force (like his Dad) and his sister in the Navy. He saw no overseas duty as he was a computer nerd which they promptly trained to be a "hacker" for top secret stuff. He did his stint and loved it at first, but when it was time to re up, he couldn't get out of there fast enough. I don't know what happened to him, but he's back in his hometown, but never moved home with his parents. He has become a recluse who is sitting on a huge amount of money he could be using for college, but isn't for some reason. I have a sneaking suspicion why, but I won't speculate here. My Grand daughter did see overseas service as she was trained as a medic. She spent time in the desert with the troops, and the remainder of her service in a military hospital in Spain, working in maternity and neo natal. She left home a sweet little butter wouldn't melt in her mouth goodie two shoes typical PK. She's now home and is covered in tattoo's, and ready to relocate to San Diego to be with the love of her life whom she met in Spain. He is a native of California of Filipino decent. He's already been to meet her parents and we all love him. She couldn't get out fast enough and wrote me once that "all is not as it seems" and hated the service.
I have another grand daughter who was in Afghanistan with her now new husband. She was actually there the first time the Pres. visited the troops at Bagrahm airbase, and I saw her in the row behind him when he addressed the troops!! She's now back state side and they are both still in and stationed with the NY State Mountain Patrol, for I'm not sure how much longer. My youngest daughter and her husband were both in briefly back after Desert Storm, and both were given early medical discharges. As a Mom and Grand mom you have to respect their choices...try to dissuade them, but in the end it's their choice. You must let them make their own choices, and pray like hell that they have their Angels with them to protect them. It's out of our hands once they fly the nest. I'll tell you this...a lot of praying went on when they were in harms way. I feel your pain, and I pray that my younger grandchildren will never know what War is. NEVER AGAIN!! We send them away to fight for their country, and they come back different people. Sometimes good and sometimes not so much!! Just love him...whatever choice he makes.
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:33 PM
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15. "He" is a symbol
"He" is a creation or manifestation of attachment. I don't know exactly how, but that is it. I think. Think hard on this Elleng
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:48 PM
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17. OK, will do, Ric.
also, 'He' is an s.o.b. who has my $ and my children, and all the spite and duplicity in the world, about which I learn more every day.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:26 PM
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12. OMG, Something IS in the air...
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 10:42 PM by liberalmuse
My unenlightened perception is this - some of our consciousness is being forced to expand right now and goddamn it, it hurts. I've never experienced anything like this in my lifetime. If you are one to generalize things, you are f*cked right now, because things are not as simple as we would like them to be. You wanna demonize someone? Blame your troubles on someone else's bad decisons? Honey, it ain't gonna work. Sorry. Look at that person in the mirror. THAT is the person you've been praying to, that higher self you've been imploring to help you. OUCH! That's just the way it is. This has been a very difficult week, in that I'm being forced to grow and my will or "ego" is resisting. Terribly. But I WANT to grow.

My coworker got drunk one night and broke her leg a year ago. I've had to pick up all her work because of that. Right now she's had to have surgery because her leg did not heal, and I'm having to pick up all her work again. De Ja motherfucking Vu. Let me tell you, I've been angry. Hell, it's easy, because she is a conservative - I so love to lump them in one nasty cesspool of people I'd like to discard. And you know what sucks? I've found out this week that this ain't gonna wash no more. It's more complex than that. The thing is, I really like her, in spite of her political inclinations. And I found out yesterday she has this horrible infection and will need to get an IV every 12 hours for the next 6 months. That sure changed my perspective real quick. I do not deal with dependent people well. But today, I found myself walking with her to the lunch room, carrying her lunch, and I ended up fixing her lunch for her, and when she went to the vending machine to buy a pepsi, I had to get it out for her. I even "joked", "OMG, what am I, your bitch now?!" - which made another co-worker laugh. Anyway, I feel bad for being angry with her, and it's really hurting that this conservative is now ordering me around as if I were her slave, but you know what? I don't want her to die, and if my ego has to take a hit, so be it. Suck it up, liberalmuse.
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:31 PM
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14. EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY
We have collectively been spoiled, Per Eckart Tolle's "A New Earth": "Evolve or die."

We have never been HERE before because we still had some slack in the rope. No more, that's it, no more slack. We have to change collectively.

You got it LM
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:39 PM
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16. Yes!
I knew I would find people here in ASAH who would sense and understand what is going on. I can't tell you how many times I've heard in the last few days, "I feel suffocated. Trapped. As if everything is closing in on me." This is from people who are in large houses and have pretty decent lives. WTF?
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:11 PM
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20. It has nothing to do with your "house"
It's your inner house. We all know that. WTF is Pluto/Mars, Mars demands action. It's not too late either, that's good!
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:28 PM
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13. *** READ THE MESSAGE AGAIN ****
It means:

1. Keep allowing yourself (if you are) involved in a co-dependent relationship and kerplooie.

or

2. Do something to end the unhealthy dependency, and life will enter your body and no kerplooie.

Nothing other than that.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:03 PM
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19. Is it possible that it's just expecting us to grow up?
:shrug:

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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:12 PM
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21. Yes
Mars is so "unconscious", when it combines with Pluto, it wants to BREAK through the blockade.
Yes, grow up, good words indeed! Intense too.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:29 PM
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22. This seems to be appropriate...
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:48 PM
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23. The only co dependance I have to fight against ....
is the State of Ct., and without them and my LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED Dr. and his persuasive ways...I wouldn't be alive now!! Literally!!! He's getting them to jump through hoops for me, and paying for multiple extensive tests that the health insurance companys usually balk at or refuse outright! I've had three CT scans, an MRI and now yesterday a PET scan, with more to come next week!! I find myself getting very angry and resentful with little stupid things that happen, but am crying at the drop of a hat with many of the little kindnesses I'm encountering from my many ANGELS on earth who only have to say the slightest kind thing to me...like the driver that dropped me off at the cancer center for my scan with a "God bless you" or the person who wished me good luck after my tests, and the propane gas co. owner who said she was waiving my bill this month. The weaterization agency from the state fuel assistance agency who is working in tandem with my regular plumber and mobile home repairman ....who "just happened" to have worked with them in the past!! I've been shedding many happy, grateful tears the past few weeks. I count my blessings daily, although I will always find something to piss and moan about!! I don't think I want to shake off my co dependance yet, but I sure would love to be in a position to pay it forward,because I feel very blessed. All of you here are counted in among my many EARTH ANGELS!!
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:02 AM
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24. BRAVO, JA!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:05 AM
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25. You are so damn cute...
"I count my blessings daily, although I will always find something to piss and moan about!!"

:rofl:

:yourock:

:loveya:


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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:52 AM
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26. Okay, now you got me all teary
You've been so brave and so tough through all this, JA. Why WOULDN'T the universe see fit to give you some goodies here and there to smooth out the road? YOU DESERVE IT--and so much more. Hang in there! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:05 AM
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28. All recognize your spirit as being a generous one
and a very funny one JA. Hugs to you as you continue on this journey...

:hug:
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:28 PM
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31. :)
:hug:
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 11:47 AM
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30. I can feel it ... and it's awesome!
:grouphug: :hi:

I just hope that my childhood baggage doesn't decide to throw itself in front of me to trip me up as it's done so many times before. Hopefully my time in therapy and self-reflection has helped me develop the tools to successfully step over those obstacles this time.


:bounce:
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:39 PM
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33. I'm not joking Myrina
and I know you aren't either.

You have to know where to LOOK. I'm seeing it EVERYWHERE. Few astrological constructs manifest so clearly as she is a very fickle girl. This one is vivid.

I want to also add again, If you work through this codependency it's INCREDIBLY good on the other side; all the good stuff that happens. It's like magic because it is magic and that's why they call it magic, eh? :shrug:
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:52 PM
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34. So, the co-dependency of the U.S. and too many large corporations?
Is that being affected as well?
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:55 PM
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35. VERY good question. nt
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:44 PM
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36. I think you're right on
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 04:58 PM by Ricochet21
Yes, indeed. Being so, that would mean that we're at a critical turning point of this matter. In other words, Pluto is going to stop it, because it's not "healthy" or bring the system down. Great perception!

Come to think of it, it IS what is happening to those "citizens" who are too dependent on the Gov't, or the Tea Party, or the KKK, or the _________________. Yes.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:20 PM
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37. Well! I'm in an online CODA meeting *as I'm reading this...*
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 10:22 PM by villager
Who says there aren't trickster gods afoot?

Not I! ;-)
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 11:12 PM
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38. Well, that surely must be a coincidence!
Funny!

Hope it's a short meeting! :hi:
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 02:30 AM
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39. and thus we bring up the idea of what we mean by "coincidence..."
;-)
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:45 AM
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40. In my opinion
there are none, nor can be
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 11:15 PM
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41. ROFL
I came looking for info on the eclipse and can't pass up a Rico thread so I popped it open and laughed my arse off

I'm an active member of a 12 step recovery program and by the fact that i've stayed sober and kept breathing I have a lot of years 'in the rooms' and i'm seeing the truth of this all around me.

people with decades sober have had their bottoms drop off as they come to grips with this lingering addiction/obsession

thanks Ric for naming what i have been observing with a mix of love and amusement

:hi: :yourock:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:01 AM
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42. I'm happy to say I've been having one of the best weeks of my life.
Painted every day this week. Feels good.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:36 PM
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43. I don't really think of my relationship as
unhealthy in a co-dependent way, but there are areas of my life I have allowed to become stale and therefore **I** have become dependent on the status quo. I feel a strong urge for change (hmm, just wrote "chance" by mistake) and I'm sure that is Pluto conjuncting my Sun, and with Uranus coming into Aries, will be squaring Mercury and Sun also.

I'm excited about the possibilities and yes, tsking more chances. I feel my footing has become more secure after a long period of turmoil and for us Earth types, it seems a safe base is preferred before we can jump off and explore in any real Uranian way, so I think that's where I am. A little nervous, but also excited.

:hi:

:grouphug:
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:39 PM
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45. that sounds really good
You are describing textbook Pluto and Uranus. Sounds
To me like you are sailing right on course.
Congrats! :hi:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:17 PM
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44. Just this morning,
I realized I had more balls than ever. HAHA! I mean courage! Something I couldn't spit out 6 mths ago, is surfacing with ease. Most definitely felt! Rick, I have never felt so hopeful, like absolutely everything I am working towards WILL work out! And the energy! I transformed a room today!
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:43 PM
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46. wonderful Gary Cooper
Just wait till Uranus hits Aries in March. Yippe kigh yay
Feel how intimate it is? Amazing
You go you pixelated one! :smoke:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:01 PM
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47. Heehee
:blush: Interesting.. I suddenly feel quite shy...
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