Is the shift about to hit the fan

[BanzaiBonnie]

On Friday, the 9th, NASA plans to blast a kinetic weapon into the moon. I will do everything I can to alter the course of that object in order to avoid the colony located in the area that is being targeted. I am not alone in this effort. Light workers around the world have been notified and are on the case.

In my meditation under the stars and moon last night I promised those living beings on the moon that we would do everything we could to keep them from suffering any ill affects from this ill advised launch from earth.

And though I should not have been surprised, I was when I got a response... it was a voice in unison, like the voice of many, a sort of collective response. "We know, and thank you" I then sent the thought that the action of a few is not the action of the many. Again, a response of "We know, and thank you"


And then I held my hands out to the sky and made my promise out loud to accept my birthright and to fulfill promises I made before I came here (incarnate). What happened next was quite unexpected.

In my left hand I received a torch with the understanding that it is the torch of truth that lights the way. In my right hand I received a sword. I sat for a bit feeling its weight and the responsibility of carrying such a weapon. (This was a bit unusual because I consider myself a pacifist) Then I was told that it is the sword of justice and those who are unrighteous will be cut down. They have made their choices over time and continue to make bad choices. It will not continue indefinitely and the end of their nonsense is at hand.


I sat there stunned, wondering what the heck does this all mean. I can make some guesses at this and don't know that it's literal, but because symbolic communication is so powerful it definitely means something is afoot.


BB

[MorningGlow]

1. Wow, BB--chills

What a powerful gift you've received!

I agree that the end of the nonsense is coming soon. But it's going to be so frustrating till that actually happens!

And the bombing of the moon--is that crap still in play? Well, in his last message, Matthew said, " 'Bombing the moon' is a ploy to engender fear, but if such foolhardiness were ever tried, it would not be successful. In honoring Earth’s free will choice that no careless or deliberately malevolent act can devastate her body or her life forms, God has authorized civilizations with the technology to prevent all such efforts to do so."

Might be a good idea if well all sent more energy to neturalize this ridiculous effort.

[lildreamer316]

7. I'm with you on that sending; everyone count me in.

This is just absolutely ridiculous.

[Delphinus]

2. What a gift!

Bonnie, that's truly amazing. You were so connected to them - and I am sure they appreciated your sending love to them.

I guess I had forgotten that this was even in the works - thank you for taking up this cause and sharing your story. Perhaps I can assist by sending protective energy to all.

[BanzaiBonnie]

3. Hear the cry from all enlightened beings of earth

Stop all genocide NOW!

Okay, that was not from me, but from something deep within and it had to be said.

[OneGrassRoot]

4. Geez, I wasn't even aware of this planned bombing...

:( To what end? I'll need to learn more about this, but I certainly join you all in sending protective, loving energy to all innocents, everywhere, in every dimension.

It reminded me of the Order of AA Michael with the sword, BB. :)

:hug:

[BanzaiBonnie]

6. It's supposed to be about finding water

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/main/index.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090822145502AAyO4jC

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article6859492.ece




*edited to add links

[Mist]

16. What would be the actual reason for bombing the moon? I'm not buying the "water"

thing for a nano-second. Seems I remember some speculation that they would be destroying something they don't want the Chinese lunar probes to see/find.

[JanusAscending]

5. The more man learns........

the STUPIDER he becomes!! This is a good example of a "little knowledge is a dangerous thing"!!!WTF are they thinking? I'm right there, praying and sending light and energy for this to FAIL!! P.S. Do you have a link to this story? I remember reading about it a while back, but didn't realize it was happening this soon!! I think we all need a refresher for the "stated" purpose of this mission. I know I'd find it helpful BB and thanks for the reminder.

[get the red out]

8. Amazing, do you know who they are

Did you glean anything about who the people in the colony are? Where they come from?

I feel people with experiences such as yours are fortunate.

"NO" is a weapon, one we are conditioned to think we can never use even as nasty bombs are dropped all over people on our own planet, and now out into the solar system.

Considering that I believe the black projects have produced technology that may already be taking man "out there", with the beleaguered Shuttle as a convenient cover (yea, we haven't progressed since the '80s, not at all), and has probably already produced the answers they claim to be seeking, I wonder what the "real reason" for assaulting the moon is?

[BanzaiBonnie]

9. To attempt a provocation of Star Nations

If any star visitors made a show of force, that would be all our MIC (military industrial complex) would need to say, look there are hostiles out there and we need to arm for war against them.


Star Nations are onto that plan. It won't work. But what could happen is stolen technology could be used against us by those wanting war. And yes, we do have anti-gravity technology as well as other stolen technology. I have seen myself what looked to be a regular civilian airplane "decloak" and it was in reality something else: a very star wars, military, looking plane.

[NJCher]

10. some other info

Yeah, I've been aware of this stupid plan. I will be quite curious to see if it is able to be carried out.

I was going to write a post telling everyone about something that's been going on but is virtually unreported in the western news. There is a guy who has been scanning the newspapers of foreign countries and whose papers are not translated into English. He is finding quite a few major UFO sighting reports where the UFO hangs around quite awhile. Some of these reports are nothing short of astonishing.

In addition, there have been numerous postings of very high quality photos and also some startling videos. Re the latter, there was a fishing boat that captured two UFOs on tape and one of them went right into the sea. Shortly thereafter, a helicopter came after it and stayed around the area where the UFO submerged. The emotion on the ship was intense. This tape is not, IMO, a fake.

In China there were mass sightings of a gigantic UFO over about the past month. I think the sightings dwindled over the past two weeks. Many, many thousands of people saw them.

So yeah, I think something's up. I don't know what will happen to mitigate this crazy plan they have, but I do not think it will go forward.


Cher

[get the red out]

11. Agree

I have been finding some interesting discussions in pod casts about increased UFO activity all over the world, much like the information you posted. It appears that other countries are quite a bit more open to accepting that something is up with this than we are.

The US and it's citizens tend to get into a mistaken belief that we are really the only country on the planet, and that nothing that goes on anywhere else "counts" so to speak. This is a major mistake and chickens tend to come home to roost. This country will have egg on the face big time if some other nation ever releases, with unquestionable proof, information about our planet's visitation. Can't bribe the other nations to keep their mouths shut with no money either.

The sooner the better on disclosure IMO, it's time for some paradigm shifting. Human beings might have a shot at waking up if they see that so much has been hidden from them for generations. Just my theory.

[OneGrassRoot]

12. Agree +1

If someone is translating this stuff into English, I'd sure love a link. You can PM if for some reason it's best not to post such things at a public forum.

The haze Americans stay in is nothing short of stunning...and it's only gotten worse, even with the advent of these various means of communication nowadays!

Very interesting. Thank you both!

:)

:hug:

[get the red out]

13. NJCher was talking about the translations

I just listen to a lot of paranormal and UFO podcasts that have been saying the same things she said were in the translations.

I bet those translations are interesting too. I heard a Turkish UFO investigator interviewed recently on Joe Montaldo's radio show and she said that in Turkey a big UFO sighting will make the major media without the giggle factor we have here.

[NJCher]

17. links

Here ya' go:

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page8978978.php
has an incredible pic. This is from China.

Go to allnewsweb.com and see the stories on the left, in particular:

Scientific expedition into underground alien UFO base in Siberia

See the stuff more towards the bottom for stories about the situation in China.

Cher

[Why Syzygy]

18. Have you seen this one?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2670396/UFO-tracks-Iranian-missiles.html

The Webbot project has said there will be full disclosure no later than 2011.

[NJCher]

19. hadn't seen that

It ties into this:

It is now known that these aliens have issued earthlings with a warning: We have less than a decade to completely bring an end to all forms of warfare, racism, prejudice and economic exploitation. The Axthadans have sent messages stating that if we continue our evil ways we will destroy ourselves and this planet within fifty years.

See the rest of the article at:

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page9199196.php

Apparently our war like ways not only affect those on our planet but elsewhere in the universe.


Cher

[get the red out]

20. I really think we need disclosure

I think it may be one of the few things that would actually wake people up from their imposed dream state. I'm not one of those that believes some far away culture will swoop in and save us, but really think that if we can just stop hitting the snooze button we could do it for ourselves anyway.

2011, that gives me some added hope this morning. And if our government (black ops government anyway) were to disclose, I think that it would happen in such a crafty way that we would wake up one morning with everyone in the media just discussing the visitors like it was yesterday's news and we knew all that anyway; just now we get to see a ship, or one of them or something. It would be like "oh yea, that, but we KNEW that, where have you been?" And of course all the folks that had been caught up in American Idol talk on the "news" segment just before the "by the way, Aliens are on the Whitehouse lawn this morning" would be just going right along, waiting on the next gossip bit like there is nothing new under the sun.

We would be the ones getting all excited.

[Why Syzygy]

21. If it is a (shadow) government disclosure,

or even a *legitimate government* disclosure, you can bet it will be aimed at causing divisions. An example would be for those humans who believe they have alien DNA to be turned against those who "don't". Or that we need to engage in more war. Everything TPTB do has a component of Balkanization. I recently had an awakening to this issue, and decided it is not fruitful. The next day I discovered Steve Bhaerman ( http://wakeuplaughing.com/index.html ) and his Heartland Security site http://www.departmentofheartlandsecurity.org/index.html . He is saying the same thing.

Whether we want to admit it or not, the teabaggers have started something. It is a question of, would I rather have war on my terms or peace on your terms. I have my limits. For example there is a new DU member posting in various forums in SUPPORT of the police state and martial law tactics (this place has sunk to new lows). As far as I'm concerned, his type is part of the problem the rest of us will overcome. He clearly isn't into changing things. And of course, bigotry is unacceptable. I am getting hints that there is actually only a small percentage of the 'right' that is part of the extreme bigotry brigade.

The bigger picture looks at TAXES. We will soon have a carbon tax. A tax on life itself. If mandatory health care is passed, that amounts to more 'taxes'. I'll be happy for the right wing to battle on that front.

The disclosure (or discovery) will wake up a certain population. In addition, the CODEX is scheduled to be implemented on 12/31/09. It has long been poo-poo'd by skeptics. If in fact it is implemented, the entire alternative health population will start our own revolution. Unemployment benefits will be running out next year. People still can't find work. The dollar is crashing as we speak.

There will be wake ups. And TPTB will rue the day they messed with the United States.

[get the red out]

22. Most of the right are dupes

The right is just extremist sheep more than anything else. Their leaders are the truely horrible ones. That has been occuring to me lately.

I wish we had the tax dollars spent on the black budget over the years, all healthcare problems would be solved easily with that.

I find it very positive that other nations are discussing the UFO phenominon more openly than we are, personally.

[Why Syzygy]

23. Since the

black ops are financed by the illegal drug trade, it would have really bad karma attached. Not due to the substances, but due to the methods. If we would stop the phony 'drug war', we certainly would be rich indeed. An early American statesman (maybe Franklin?) wrote that the US would always be a wealthy country due to our hemp crops. We know how that turned out after the oil industry took it down.

The right wing buys into the divisive mantra just as well as some of the left.

[Why Syzygy]

14. The western news is going to have to catch up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYpcuCy1bA8&NR=1

[NJCher]

25. correction

The one on the boat was later found to be a hoax. Just wanted to keep the record straight.

Cher

[Why Syzygy]

26. Cher ...

see my ETA on #24.

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. Up at Griffith Park Observatory, there is a slice of moon rock one may touch.

I was stunned. It is utterly inert, utterly without life force.

[Why Syzygy]

24. Richard Hoagland discusses on C2C

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E88DCCD911194BEA

Richard C. Hoagland commented on NASA's upcoming Moon crash mission. He believes there's an occupied base on the moon (set up by the secret space program), and the planned explosion could disclose or reveal its existence. The collision will also cause a bigger plume than expected, as well as a large amount of water coming out of the impact site, he suggested.

ETA: They are saying this will be disclosure! Obama is having a STAR PARTY at the WH tomorrow night!

[Delphinus]

27. Listening right now ... n/t

[NJCher]

28. saw clips of the star party this a.m.

But I don't think there will ever be disclosure by the U.S. gov't.

I so wish it were otherwise.


Cher

[get the red out]

29. You may well be correct

But that doesn't completely rule out disclosure by other means. I feel, if disclosure ever happens, it will be through a media breakthrough the eclipses anything we have seen, or from another country with the US simply being left in the dust, or by the visitors' choice. The US isn't the "only game in town" and the days of playing Earth Sheriff may be at an end.

It is all interesting to consider. One of my FAVORITE topics!

:7

[Why Syzygy]

30. David Wilcock - first 2 hours

David was on prior to Hoagland. That's why you hear Richard teasing him at the beginning of his session.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=69F219BFB4F77E6A

[get the red out]

31. GD Moon Obsession insanity

Has anyone else noticed the absolute obsession that has broken out in GD with moon thread after moon thread, each one and it's comments getting angrier than the last at ANYONE who would dare have a different opinion from the science status quo? It is bizarre how obsessed they all are with this topic, and no one is commenting with arguments against their views it seems, but they just pontificate about the ignorant people who are disagreeing with them.

I worry about some of these folks getting power almost as much as I worry about the theocrats, they go nuts when they imagine someone disagrees with them. Weird. Today's whole angry GD outbreak is just bizarre to me. I don't pretend to know what will happen with this moon blast, and have been entertaining all points of view, but the obsession with shutting down any dissension coming from a number of people on GD is disconcerting. All I can say is that when I feel like they obviously feel, it means I am scared to death of something.

[MorningGlow]

33. I was called "willfully ignorant"!

Woo hoo! :woohoo:

[get the red out]

34. Their anger is just extreme

The extreme anger is puzzling! I don't understand the overwhelming desire to shut people up that occurs regularly in GD. Apparently acting like right wingers is only bad if you indeed ARE a right winger.

[MorningGlow]

36. Frighteningly similar, isn't it?

Oh, BTW, we're also being mocked in a certain other group that shall remain nameless. I guess they have nothing better to do.

[Why Syzygy]

37. Midget Minded trouble makers

I have a good percentage of them on ignore already. Don't plan on meeting any more of them in GD.
Of course they hang out in here and spy. Their lives are BORING, as reflected by what they post in their group. It's really a pitiful thing when physical adults have nothing in their lives other than mocking someone else. Very shallow life form. My guess is more space between the brain atoms than normal.

[MorningGlow]

38. Linking to ASAH threads too

Isn't that against the rules?

[Why Syzygy]

40. Yes it is.

I didn't see that. Can you give me a link? If it is someone I have on ignore, would you mind PM'ing the member name?

[MorningGlow]

41. Check your PM in a sec n/t

[Why Syzygy]

42. Yanno ..

There has always been keen interest when I've mentioned skyclad Full Moon dancing.
You think the skeptics would object to that?

[MorningGlow]

43. Good point!

I'm sure they'd make an exception for some skin! :D

[kentauros]

44. Although I'm not in agreement with the gist of this thread,

I did my first alert ever for the direct-linking to ASAH. We'll see what happens...

[BanzaiBonnie]

45. Thank you kentauros

You do not have to be in agreement with this thread or any other to know recognize when people are behaving badly.

Just because people agree on some things does not mean they will agree on everything. And I'm sad to see behavior that is designed to attack and belittle. I've also seen a couple of people flinging poo from this side. People I really like. Okay, I've never flung poo in my life... O8)

[get the red out]

47. I asked them why all the "moon threads"

It was baffling.

[kentauros]

50. Not even a dried-up cow patty?

:P

Since this thread and this subject has pretty well divided this site like no other (or so it seems) I just followed the lead of some others here that I also admire.

I have no problem with you and others voicing your concerns about this. I just don't share those concerns. But I'll protect your right to say them, whether the "skeptics" like it or not ;)

[get the red out]

46. Thank you, I figured they had to be scoping us

It really doesn't matter how one feels about a topic, they should be permitted to discuss it in groups without people going mad on GD for sane conversations in groups. That's the thing they don't get about groups like this one, we CAN disagree and not go ballistic, they cannot accomplish that feat of sane thinking, for all their "science" (Psychology is a science btw, it might help them to apply that to themselves).

What I don't get it what they expect to accomplish except looking like slobbering rage-a-holics? They were going on GD just raging at "crickets", no one was arguing, anger for anger's sake. I mean the RAGE they got into from checking out what was being discussed here rivals anything the teabaggers get into. I don't like to read things that will just fill me with rage and hate, that's just not pleasant, I have finally grown out of that misery.

[kentauros]

51. On rare occasions I've seen them discuss things sanely,

even with contrary viewpoints between them. Most of the time, it's all about tearing down and mocking those that are "anti-science" and so forth. I really don't understand how anyone could be anti-science when so much of our lives are governed by it and its principles. However, science doesn't know everything, and the better ones in the world realize that as they make discoveries, it could all be turned on its head, as has happened so many times in the past. My observation of the "scientists" on DU is that they are the ones that will clutch their existing theories and "knowns" the most tightly, resisting any possibility of change.

Oh, and I hope none of them ever have any kind of mental or emotional problems that require the use of a psychologist, since that isn't really a "science" according to them... ;)

[Why Syzygy]

48. Your agreement..

I'm not sure if you mean the moon gist or the pointing out others' flaws gist.

I sort of wish I could apologize for criticizing, but I cannot. My battles with the skeptics helped me push through some deep shadow work. I wouldn't trade that experience.

[kentauros]

49. If you _must_ know... ;)

I don't feel we need to worry about any civilization advanced enough to live on the moon being incapable of protecting themselves from any threat, man-made or otherwise ;)

And, as I have lived in Houston all my life, I support the actions of NASA most of the time, including this one. If we are ever to colonize our own planetary bodies, we must learn about them in whatever way we can. This technique, too, is not a new one. They did similar things back in the early 60s in preparation for landing there.

[Why Syzygy]

52. oic ..

Now I remember, and I HAVE often thought of your explanation for this when it was first announced several months ago, ie "kinetic 'weapon'" . or non-explosive device, IIRC. You even posted images, didn't you? But, now I've heard it has the explosive power of a car bomb.

I listened to the C2C show, and neither Hoagland nor Wilcock expressed any concern whatsoever. In fact, they are clicking their heels because they think it will lead to disclosure. I don't have enough information to have a strong opinion one way or the other (although it sounds a bit fishy). I'm going to watch it, probably on NASA tv since we have rain clouds.

[kentauros]

55. "Car bomb" is too vague of a measurement.

Plus, it reinforces the idea that it's a "bomb". If only we didn't have lazy and sensationalist reporters/editors out there, we probably wouldn't be reading about this story. NASA would have gone ahead with this and a very few would even be interested.

I think, too, you have me confused with someone else ;)
I haven't discussed this topic very much and don't think I ever posted any images. If I have, well, blame the swiss-cheese memory :P

If the people on Coast to Coast think this will lead to disclosure, then I think they are living in a wishful-thinking world.

[Why Syzygy]

56. Your mention of it

IIRC had to do with your CAD drawings? And some work you had done?

aha . Found it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=94584&mesg_id=94636

[kentauros]

57. If I did any work on that painting, it was likely just some wireframe

research on their Apple IIe ;)

Thanks for digging that up. Mark Dowman is an excellent artist and has been making space art for as long as I've known him :)

I hope my assuaging of fears still stands in that post...

[Why Syzygy]

58. You assuaging

helped me, as I recalled it whenever the subject came to mind :D
I am still extremely CURIOUS, but not so unsettled.

[Fire Walk With Me]

65. Give the man a seegar, we have a winnah!

"I don't feel we need to worry about any civilization advanced enough to live on the moon being incapable of protecting themselves from any threat, man-made or otherwise"

[BanzaiBonnie]

35. Well, as they say... I have a gut feeling

One or more in that group :eyes: is sent to DU on a divide and conquer mission. If something we believe and talk about can be discredited, then some people will believe that discredits anything we have to say. Turn the people on one another. Get them to tear each other apart. Common tactic.

It does make me question why someone on DU would come to this group to, do what, spy? To see what's being discussed in order to tear it apart and throw it into public, in what? An attempt to humiliate us? Make us doubt ourselves and our experiences? Strange isn't it. I know that this board is public, but the topics we talk about here are not displayed on the main pages, so someone must make a trip in here to pick at us. Not difficult, but definitely out of their way.

While I'm sad about some of the things that are being said about all the good people here, I don't hold anything against those who disagree with me. As always, I will consider what they have to say and then suss out the truth from there.

I owe no one explanations or apologies. If I'm honest and true to what I believe and my experiences of life, I cannot then deny them. I've found that being true to myself and what I experience makes me a stronger and healthier human being. And I will no longer hide who I am just to make someone else feel better.

None of those on that thread know what my education credentials are. I also do happen to know "real" scientists who are open minded enough to know that they don't know it all.

I love science, but it is not the be all and end all. Since I was nine years old, the two Alberts (Albert Einstein and Albert Schweitzer) have been role models in my life.

Hey y'all here, remember how many scientists, mathemeticians, artists and theologians have been shunned, taunted, and sometimes imprisoned or killed for what they believe. Until it becomes accepted thought, then they're revealed as visionaries.

I only know what I know and I know that compared to what's out there, that's not much. Ahhhh, as that cute, orange, snarly kitty says, MEH.

[MorningGlow]

39. I love that little guy

And look what I found when I was doing a "meh" search:



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: (I thought it was appropriate, considering--!)

[FirstLight]

69. bravo!

+1000
I agree with you on many levels here. I think this topic is just a mirror about how the polarities of the left & right are coming out - and that the new paradigm is much closer than most would think, no matter how much clinging ANY pof us do.

Interesting, it makes me think of my favorite Parable... actually written by Richard Bach in the beginning of "Illusions: Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah" about the creatures who clng to the rocks at the bottom of the river. One creature says "I trust that the river knows where it is going, I will let go and allow it to take me where it wants to go...clinging, I will die of boredom." (paraphrased)
The other creatures cried: "Fool! Let go and that current you worship will smash you against the rocks and you will die quicker than boredom!"
But the One refused to listen and, trusting, took a deep breath and let go...

...and was promptly smashed against the rocks...

But as he refused to cling again, he was lifted free and traveled fast downstream to see the sights and be happy

...and the creatures who lived downstream, who did not know he was liike them, saw him and said: "Look! a Messiah! one who is like us yet he flies!"

and the One said "I am no different than you! The River delights to lift us free, if we would but refuse to cling."

that last line sums it up for me! ;) :hug:

[slutticus]

32. You guys should come watch.

http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/impactnight/index.htm

They'll have movies all night leading up to the impact.

It should be fun!

__________________________________________________________________________________________
ASA Ames to Showcase Spectacular LCROSS Lunar Impacts


MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. – NASA’s Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) mission will come to a dramatic conclusion at approximately 4:30 a.m. PDT (7:30 a.m. EDT) on Friday, Oct 9, 2009, with the impact of the LCROSS Centaur upper stage rocket and four minutes later, the impact of the LCROSS Shepherding Spacecraft into Cabeus crater near the moon’s south pole. To mark the event, NASA Ames Research Center is hosting ‘LCROSS Impact Night.’ News media are invited to cover the three-part event that is open to the public and free of charge.

WHAT: LCROSS Impact Night Public Event

WHEN: 7 p.m. PDT, Oct. 8 to 7 a.m. PDT, Oct. 9, 2009
Presentations
7 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. PDT, Thursday, Oct. 8
S. Pete Worden, NASA Ames Center Director
Victoria P. Friedensen, LCROSS program executive
Charlie Duke, Apollo 16 astronaut

Moon-Themed Movie Night
8:30 p.m. PDT, Thursday, Oct. 8 to 3:15 a.m. PDT, Friday, Oct. 9.

Live NASA TV Broadcast of the LCROSS impacts with expert commentary
3:15 a.m. to 4:45 a.m. PDT, Friday, Oct. 9

WHERE: NASA Ames Research Center. To reach Ames, take U.S. Highway 101 to the Moffett Field/NASA Parkway exit and drive east on Moffett Field Boulevard toward the main gate.

[Proud_Lefty]

53. I can't believe this is really happening

It looks like it's really gonna happen. Will continue to focus on something going wrong on this bomb, like turning it into a dud.

I'm not a rap fan in any way, but I came across this today. Kind of cheaply done ... kind of cute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npRste0fgAI&feature=player_embedded#

[lildreamer316]

59. Looks like it didn't perform as expected..(MSN LINK ARTICLE HERE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33226607/ns/technology_and_science-space/?GT1=43001

From the article..

"<snip>

Pictures of the impact zone were beamed back live to Earth, but the video imagery did not show any signs of a flash.

"It's hard to tell what we saw there," said Michael Bicay, director of science at NASA's Ames Research Center in California.

The first crash took place at 7:31 a.m. ET. That’s when an empty rocket that weighed 2.2 tons hit the crater Cabeus. It was expected to create a crater about 66 feet (20 meters) wide, which is half the length of an Olympic pool. The blast should have kicked up a plume of lunar debris about six miles (10 kilometers) high

<snip>

Visible-light images showed little sign of the debris plume, but Bicay noted that thermal imagery did produce evidence of a crash.

<snip>

Telescope demonstrator Jim Mahon called the celestial show "anticlimactic.”

“I was hoping we’d see a flash or a flare,” he said.


(sorry about going over the three-paragraph rule; I figured it was short enough not to matter)

[MorningGlow]

60. This amuses me no end

I'm sorry, but it does. I'm not amused because the experiment "failed" or anything, as technically it didn't because now there's data to analyze--although I was against the "let's blow shit up" approach, hoping there would be another method of investigation instead, I understood that this impact was not as strong as the sensationalist headlines "NASA TO BOMB THE MOON!!!" implied--but I am amused nonetheless.

Why? Because not only does Mahon's comment, "I was hoping we'd see a flash or a flare," and his calling the exercise "anticlimactic" only reinforce my opinion, stated in one of the horrid GD moon threads last night, that NASA was doing this for the "wow" factor in order to scare up more funding for future adventures, it also shows how ridiculous humanity can be, when it comes to drama. Yeahhhhh we need a big PLUME! a FLASH! a dust cloud A HUNDRED MILES HIGH!!! etc.

Silly humanity. Drama's for kids. (And Roland Emmerich movies. :rofl:)

And then there's the part about "gee maybe we didn't hit the right place" ("For example, it may be that the water is unevenly distributed — even within the permanently shadowed polar craters that are thought to be the best prospects for ice mining. Bicay said LCROSS' scientists may have come across a situation familiar to Texas oil wildcatters. 'We may have hit a dry hole rather than a wet hole,' he said.")

Okay, so now they're admitting they were just shooting off their debris blindly, with fingers crossed, and hoping that they'd hit the right spot. On the moon. Moon's big, guys. Really big. And you were guessing?

And yet, everyone in GD kept insisting that this was the BEST way to search for water on the moon.

Sigghhhhhhh. Shaking my head now. I really, really don't understand the vast majority of humans. Perhaps another cup of coffee will help....

[Desertrose]

63. Think you'll need more than a cup of coffee for this one.

:evilgrin:

I had a pretty strong feeling that they would not get the results they had hoped and expected. Have to say it amuses me, too.


What right do we have to go crashing stuff & cluttering up the moonanyhow? Does it say owned by the US or does a leftover flag stake our claim? Bah. Like man can "own" the earth...or a moon...anyway. Silly humans.

[Why Syzygy]

64. I think so too.

I don't understand the vast majority of humans and don't think there's a solution for that conundrum.

I was watching NASA tv, and even though my network indicated an excellent connection, all my browser windows went to sleep right before impact. I watched the approach, and then saw nothing. I knew I had an anticlimax, but didn't know until later that was the mission outcome.

According to R. Hoagland, the Indians have already detected water in the atmosphere of the moon. He said they have more findings to release, but were holding off for some reason; and that they were allowing NASA to scoop them. It would tickle me fine if the credit for the discovery goes to a different country (if in fact they deserve it). I can't stand bullies, and these days see the USA as very much fitting that description. :patriot:

[Why Syzygy]

66. Well I guess I DID see "it"

"We saw a crater; we saw a flash, so something had to happen in between," Colaprete said. The crater was the aftermath of the crash, and the flash was the impact itself.

The key is not in photographs but in squiggly lines that show those complicated light waves, Colaprete said. Once they are analyzed — a task that may take weeks — the light waves will show whether water was present at the crash site.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_WHHFPrQjvdnQhVIvx5o9a-v66AD9B7QMLO1

It was the heat sensing camera. It went fuzzy light green. :shrug:

[Proud_Lefty]

61. Yay

Just wish they would have used $79 million towards health care or helping all these people losing their homes. Just imagine how much they'd have if they combined that with the millions the Bank of America CEO is taking with him as he retires. Not a lot on the national level, but just imagine it going into a community or two.

I'm so sick of the way things are. I just keep focusing on that better life without all this damaging craziness to our society.

[BanzaiBonnie]

67. several of us independently reported a left shift of the rocket

Somehow I was distracted just before JPE (Joint Psychic Exercise) time, but I time traveled back to just before the start time. First I armored up and then put an alternate self out in a different location from my physical self. I knew I had to use what I was given a few days ago, so I held the torch in my left hand and the sword in the other. I felt the rocket carrying the weapon wobble to the left. I exerted pressure toward the left, off of the set target. Then I saw the weapon disappearing into the moon surface, not making the impact that was intended.

I do believe that most at NASA are good people who just have no idea what's happening. I included in my part of the exercise that, for their part, the honest NASA workers will be able to deem the mission a success.

A friend called me with information she got that there was a scramble to right the path of the rocket. There were corrections being made in an attempt to hit the planned target. I told her I had already guessed that and had set my alternate out there to "run" as long as needed, continuing to push to the left off- course.

That was my experience yesterday morning.

[slackmaster]

62. It wasn't a bomb, it was a burned-out rocket stage

More like a bullet, and it's been done dozens of times before this one.

[Proud_Lefty]

68. What they were expecting was a bomb effect

What have you heard about the "dozens of times before?" That's even more alarming. Any links?

[bigmonkey]

54. Isn't this simply like throwing a big rock at the moon?

And wouldn't any advanced civilization be able to protect themselves from a big rock? I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but isn't this a non-problem?