Tesla, neutrinos, speed of light, 1932

[Ichingcarpenter]

[lob1]

1. I didn't know Tesla predicted faster than light particles,

but he was one smart dude.

[Confusious]

7. If I babble on enough, I'm bound to get something right

Tesla also thought space was filled with ether.

I'm just kinda sick of the Tesla hero worship around here. Goes hand in hand with the loony bin.

[ixion]

10. ah, jealous, eh?

there, there, now. We can't all be smart.

[Confusious]

19. No, just tired of all the people infering things

He never said. They all want to attribute some mystical quality to him, where there is none.

It's not the person of Tesla I don't like, its his cockadoodle fanboy followers.

[Motown_Johnny]

11. "The Ether" not ether, and it is.

Empty space is not empty. It is filled with waves all along the electromagnetic spectrum, everywhere. Even if you were out in the empty void of intergalactic space, if you can see light from those galaxies then you must be surrounded by photons, as well as every other wave that stars emit.



I don't come to this forum very often so I have not contributed to your sickness, until now. The guy was right about (seemingly) just about everything.



I tell you what, you tell me one thing he babbled on and was wrong about and I will counter with something he was right about. Then we will compare and see if he got more things right or wrong.


Good luck.

[Confusious]

18. The "ether" is not the same thing you are talking about

If you don't read it literally, then ya, he was right. A so was every cockadoodle loon that predicted something.

"Something, somewhere, will happen" there, I've predicted everything to the end of time, if you infer enough.

[Motown_Johnny]

27. would you rather I used Einstein's ether instead?

Fine, but it is harder to understand and I was trying to keep it simple for you.

http://www.mu6.com/einstein.html

^snip^

Albert Einstein, in an address (Ether and the Theory of Relativity) delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the University of Leiden: "It is only with reluctance that man's desire for knowledge endures a dualism of this kind. How was unity to be preserved in his comprehension of the forces of nature? Either by trying to look upon contact forces as being themselves distant forces which admittedly are observable only at a very small distance and this was the road which Newton's followers, who were entirely under the spell of his doctrine, mostly preferred to take; or by assuming that the Newtonian action at a distance is only apparently immediate action at a distance, but in truth is conveyed by a medium permeating space, whether by movements or by elastic deformation of this medium. Thus the endeavour toward a unified view of the nature of forces leads to the hypothesis of an ether. This hypothesis, to be sure, did not at first bring with it any advance in the theory of gravitation or in physics generally, so that it became customary to treat Newton's law of force as an axiom not further reducible. But the ether hypothesis was bound always to play some part in physical science, even if at first only a latent part."







So now I suppose Einstein is a cockadoodle loon that predicted something?


Tesla essentially gave us electricity, and the radio (and radio astronomy), and the self closing switch which led to the computer you are reading this on.


I see you are having trouble coming up with something he was wrong about so I will throw you one. He thought that space was not curved and tried to create a dynamic theory of gravity that would explain gravity without it. He never did.


You might want to read up on the guy. He was nuts but he got most things he was working on right. Anyone who was competing with Einstein in theoretical work and Edison on practical applications at the same time deserves some respect.

[Confusious]

29. Sorry, computers are not based on the closing switch

and he don't compete with einstein.

computers are based on the vacuum tube, and other computers before them.

Tesla called the theory of relativity "mathematical garbage." All physics is mathematics.

Like I said before, it's not Telsa I don't like or respect, it's his annoying fanboys who think he did everything.

[laconicsax]

15. +1

[AngkorWot]

24. Tesla rejected the entire theory of relativity off hand.

"one smart dude"

He was a nut.

[lob1]

28. He also came up with the idea of alternating current.

He may have been a nut, but he was still one smart dude.

[AngkorWot]

30. Sure, he was a good engineer.

Terrible scientist.

[truedelphi]

2. K & R.

And did Tesla ever talk about parallel universes?

And does this new particle that is ten percent faster than the speed of light indicate anything about parallel universes?

Or does it just mean that I can now get out of any speeding tickets, as my speeding could be due to the existence of the sub atomic particles?

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. A pretty good article on Tesla vs Einstein

which goes into Tesla's view of reality and thought.


http://www.writingriffs.com/2009/09/13/tesla-vs-einstein-transcending-the-speed-of-light-with-author-marc-seifer/

[caraher]

6. A gave this a skim...

... and a lot of it is just plain wrong. And I mean things like the intellectual history of Einstein's thought; I won't even go into all the problems with ether theory as described there. It's well-written and plausible sounding, but not very accurate.

[truedelphi]

14. Thanks for posting.

Of course, I'll have to let some caffeine hit my system before I can understand any of that.

If I have questions, are you good for the answers?

[caraher]

4. Bright guy, but these are not prophetic words

First, this has nothing to do with the reports about neutrinos (which weren't postulated until years after the quote).

Second, http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/tesla_energy.htm">these sentences in broader context make it clear that he's talking about something very different (and questionable):

I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight. All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light. More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them. I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor. I have hopes of building my motor on a large scale, but circumstances have not been favorable to carrying out my plan.

We know what cosmic rays are, and they're not neutral particles traveling at superluminal speed. Tesla alludes vaguely to "his investigations" but gives us no hint as to what evidence he has for a particle traveling faster than c.

[laconicsax]

5. Thank you. n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

13. part of them are

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/cosmic.html


^snip^


Particles that bombard the Earth from anywhere beyond its atmosphere are known as cosmic rays





Neutrinos count as a "cosmic ray".

[meow mix]

16. yup, i thought that was obvious.

guess not lol

[Motown_Johnny]

17. you said

"We know what cosmic rays are, and they're not neutral particles traveling at superluminal speed. "



If the speed of the neutrinos is superluminal (as the new measurements indicate) then your statement is not accurate.

How could it possibly be obvious that some cosmic rays are exactly what you say they are not?

[Confusious]

23. and if it's just a glitch in the equipment

then tesla was wrong.

You are basing your assumption on the fact that you think he was right, and that relativity is wrong.

I think I'll go with relativity until a whole bunch more scientists say it's true.

[Motown_Johnny]

26. No, I believe relativity is right and that he was wrong. Also that the new findings are wrong

but I am keeping my mind open, as much as I can under the circumstances

my other posts on the subject include:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x83781


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1994526&mesg_id=1994566



I was doing nothing but commenting on your statement which seems to contradict itself.


Admittedly, I was working within the assumption that the new measurements are correct but that was just for the sake of argument.

[Confusious]

20. Cosmic rays: discovered 1912

Not by Tesla. not very prophetic.

neutrino: postulated 1930. Again, not by tesla.

[Confusious]

8. Neutrons can't exceed the speed of light

They have mass.

This is no prediction of anything.

[originalpckelly]

9. Neutrinos have mass.

What you talkin' 'bout Confusedsious?

And at one time neutrinos and neutrons had the same name, however, I sincerely doubt that the ones being talked about in this instance are indeed the former.

[Confusious]

21. Neutrinos: postulated 1930

Not very prophetic.

[laconicsax]

22. C'mon Confusious. You know that Tesla predicted everything, was a time-traveling crime-fighter,

and everything else those Steampunk novels say he did.

He was the smartest man in the history of ever and the only reason he never won a Nobel was because it wouldn't have been fair to all those lesser scientists.

[Confusious]

25. Not just in the history of ever!

In the history of ever and ever!

common' get it right! :)

[Motown_Johnny]

12. unless they have negative mass

[Ter]

31. There are rumors that he is still alive

So smart, he figured out how to be eternal.

http://orgoneproducts.org/blog/2009/08/11/the-montauk-project-is-tesla-still-alive/