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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:19 PM
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The search for plutonium-244 in Greenland's rocks, earth's atmosphere, the Hadean signature.
Recently in this forum I wrote about nuclear science in Serbia, and Serbian scientific work on the origins of the earth.

The fun part of that thread involved a discussion of plutonium-244 that was originally present on the earth. All of this plutonium has now decayed to thorium at least - thorium being the element that is the last best hope of the human race - and some of it has decayed to lead-208, which is of course, not radioactive.

This discussion stimulated me to open up some papers in my files that I haven't opened in a while, and the ones I'd like to discuss here are two papers in a journal I always enjoy reading when I have time - which I don't have often enough - Earth and Planetary Science Letters, particularly the "origins" papers.

First let me get my sarcasm and derision out of the way.

I often note the um, "intellectual" - if you want to call it "intellectual" - similarity between creationism and the notion that nuclear science, the science of Rutherford and Bohr and Seaborg, is intrinsically evil. Almost always the people attaching negative moral values to knowledge itself, be it genetics, evolutionary biology or nuclear science, are appealing baldly to ignorance itself. I also note that a knowledge of nuclear science is essential to our understanding of the origins of this planet and on a broader scale, the origins of the universe as a whole.

Anyway.

The first paper I'd like to discuss is "Xenon compositions of magmatic zircons in 3.64 and 3.81 Ga
meta-granitoids from Greenland: a search for extinct 244Pu in ancient terrestrial rocks."

Here is the abstract: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V61-47TX1G4-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=986416613&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=08f3a86082e0c4a17c0ecf64b52b09eb">Earth and Planetary Science Letters 207 (2003) 69-82

The authors have examined some very old rocks in Greenland, some of the oldest rocks on earth (the oldest - determined by their Rb-87/Sr-87 ratios - are in Canada and in Australia) to determine the composition of the noble gas xenon, specifically its isotopic ratios.

A fun excerpt from the paper body:

Isotope geochemistry allows us to constrain the timing of geological events and provides tracers of the processes which have formed and continue to modify the Earth. In this regard, the abundances and isotopic compositions of the noble gases (helium, neon, argon, krypton and xenon) from terrestrial samples provide useful and unique information concerning the origin and evolution of the Earth including its differentiation into the core, mantle, crust and atmosphere. It is important to know noble gas compositions in the past in order to re¢ne models of the evolution of the Earth and its atmosphere. Xenon isotope compositions of Archaean samples can potentially be useful, as these samples may retain records of now extinct nuclides such as 129I and 244Pu (129I decays to 129Xe with a half-life of 16 million years <1>, and 244Pu decays with a half-life of 82 million years; and produces spontaneous fission xenon isotopes <2>).

It is generally believed that the Earth’s atmosphere was formed by signi¢cant degassing of volatiles from the Earth, and that this degassing occurred at an early stage of the Earth’s formation (e.g. <3>). Of the total xenon in the Earth’s atmosphere, 6.8% of atmospheric 129Xe is estimated to be 129I-derived radiogenic 129Xe <4>. Similarly it has been argued that 4.7% of atmospheric 136Xe is fissiogenic xenon which is attributed to spontaneous fission of the extinct nuclide 244Pu (plutogenic) <4>.


At the risk of hearing from a stupid person about how I applaud thyroid cancer, I note that I-129 is now found on earth as a fission product from the operation of nuclear reactors. Because of its long half life it is not particularly radioactive, and it represents essentially zero risk. It is, in theory, easy to contain this iodine essentially forever simply by collecting mercury from dangerous fossil fuel waste, since mercurous iodide is one of the most insoluble materials known, but the risk of this isotope is extraordinarily low that it is not worth the money, particularly when the money could be spent on doing something other than satiatiating the irrational (and insatiable) paranoia of anti-nukes, like providing health care for uninsured children for instance. Spending one billion dollars to contain I-129 forever will save zero lives, since zero lives were at risk, whereas spending one billion dollars for health care will save thousands of lives.

(I wrote in some more detail about I-129 on another website is a piece I called http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/3/152128/3838">Radioactive Isotopes from French Commercial Nuclear Fuel Found In Mississippi River. )

So there you have it folks. It turns out that your, atmosphere, is (oh my god!) the result of nuclear decay of radioactive stuff, including, um, plutonium.

The second paper I'd like to mention that is a fun read is "Geochemical constraints on mantle dynamics in the Hadean"

Here's the abstract: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V61-4GY878C-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=986432505&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=40e93286c3b907f76710103cc997e23d">Earth and Planetary Science Letters 238 (2005) 17– 30

The early evolution of the Earth during the Hadean (4.5–3.8 Ga) is poorly known. A short time scale of Earth differentiation is consistent with a 182Hf–182W age of 45F4 Myr for the end of Lunar differentiation <1>. 182Hf–182W (T 1/2 = 9 Myr) extinct radioactivity indicates that the Earth formed and differentiated within a time interval of a few tens of Myr <2,3>. Anomalies of 142Nd produced by 146Sm (T 1/2 = 103 Myr) found in Archean volcanic rocks <4–6> as well as initial 143Nd/ 144Nd ratios suggest early and intensive differentiation of the terrestrial mantle within the first 200 Myr after start of the solar system condensation (ASSC). Because mantle degassing requires magmatism, noble gas isotopes can also provide important clues on the thermal evolution of the Earth. In particular, the isotopic composition of xenon presents a powerful mean to investigate the early evolution of planetary bodies. Some of the Xe isotopes are produced by three radioactivities having contrasted half-lives: the b-decay of 129I produces 129Xe with T 1/2 = 15.7 Myr, the spontaneous fission of 244Pu produces 131136Xe with T1/2 = 82 Myr, and the still active spontaneous fission of 238U also produces 131136Xe with T 1/2 = 4.45 Gyr. These contrasted half-lives allow investigation of terrestrial degassing during the accretional period, the Hadean, and from the Archean to present, respectively (e.g., <7–13>). Studies of Xe isotopes in the atmosphere and the mantle have shown that terrestrial reservoirs have extensively lost volatile elements. The depletion of Xe isotopes produced by extinct radioactivities in the mantle can be demonstrated as follows...


Pure nuclear science.

Before he died, the great nuclear chemist, and Nobel Laureate and Democrat Glenn Seaborg, the only person ever to have had an element in the periodic table named for him during his life time warned of the risk of scientific ignorance (including of course, nuclear science ignorance) to our economy in the United States.

Nuclear science, vilified by the purveyors of ignorance, is at serious risk in this country. I never stop noting that more than half of the nuclear chemistry Ph.D's - numbering only 100 a year - are foreign born and are not native English speakers in general.

Of course this is a tremendous risk to both our economy and our environment, but it is also a risk to our knowledge of who we are and where we come from.

That, I think, is very sad, as sad as the fact that the nation of Rutherford, New Zealand, and the nation of Bohr, Denmark are both officially anti-nuke countries.

Ignorance kills.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:26 PM
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1. Outside of pro-nuclear chest thumping and derision of an anti-nuke stereotype...
...what exactly is the relevance of this post? Do you think the Science subforum here on DU is anti-nuke? Or have you just moved your language here because the Environment and Energy forum no longer is accepting of your posts?

Either way the language is harsh and unnecessary.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:51 PM
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2. If I have to explain the relevance of this post to you, it's not worth doing.
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 10:55 PM by NNadir
I disagree completely that the language is unnecessarily harsh.

I note that prominent anti-nukes write - in case you missed it - in an extremely rude and infantile way in all of my threads, no matter where they are.

In general, over many decades of the deliberate destruction of nuclear science, little shit pseudo-scientists like Amory Lovins have behaved in an extremely rude and insulting way toward very gentle and gracious scientists like say, Alvin Weinberg and um, Glenn Seaborg, both of whom were vastly intellectually superior to him.

Lately I am continually citing the remarks of the physicist David Brewster commenting (albeit negatively) on the origins - since I am talking about origins - of sarcasm and derision in the history of science.

The ardor of (his) mind, the keenness of his temper, his clear perception of the truth and his indistinguishable love of it, combined to exasperate and prolong the hostility of his enemies. When argument failed to enlighten their judgment and reason to dispel their prejudices, he wielded against them his powerful weapons of ridicule and sarcasm; and in his unrelenting warfare, he seems to have forgotten that Providence had withheld from his enemies those very gifts which had so liberally received.


I actually think Brewster, a formidable intellect in his own right was wrong about the wisdom of treating ignorance with something other than ridicule and sarcasm, a position that can be seen in the context of this quote, which I will not cite.

I think it is wise, given the history of the last 60 years, including the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide to intimidate ignorance by driving hard at it for what it is. This, of course, gets me in trouble, but I intend to do it until I can no longer do so. You may call it "chest thumping," but I couldn't care less. People who I don't know at all are always commenting about where I write. The fact that you are aware of me (and I am unaware of you) says that something of my style has an effect.

As for E&E "they" don't vote on where I post. I have, and have always had supporters and detractors there. I'm not running for Prom Queen though, and I am not concerned with my popularity.

I sometimes post in the lounge and elsewhere by the way, and on occassion have been followed there by rude people. I treat them the same no matter where I meet them.

I get a little tired - no, not a little, but a lot tired - of people who claim to speak for everyone in a particular section by the way. There is an "unrecommend" button now at DU. See it? It's at the bottom of the OP. You may click it if you wish. That will represent your vote.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:16 AM
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4. This is simply the first time I have seen you post so fervently in Science.
I'm by no means telling you to run away, or trying to malign you. I agree that people are jerks in your threads (in E&E particularly), but often I see that this simply is a response to an already negative and hateful tone. This is unfortunate because in the last thread you posted whole subthreads got deleted (including a subthread I was part of, and did not use any hateful language whatsoever). If you cannot be civilized and a moderator comes along and deletes the language, it is akin to censorship, and something is lost along the way.

I don't need to be made aware of on an internet forum, btw.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:55 PM
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3. Interesting post. Will follow up on links when I have more time.
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 10:58 PM by Arctic Dave
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