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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:01 AM
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Anyone here ever been harassed by local police?
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 06:10 AM by doodadem
I am in the process of lodging a formal complaint with the local sheriff's dept., Internal Affairs investigating. I talked to the ACLU, and they said, even though it appears the dept. is targeting people in our little mountain community, not big enough for them yet.

We are involved in a boundary dispute with our vicious hillbilly neighbors in central CA (yes--even here!) In a temporary restraining order, the judge ordered both parties to stay 100 yards away from each other. But he also said these people could put up fence in the disputed area. Well, the disputed area is right in front of our house, and well within the 100 yards. Initially, the cops would come and chase them off when we called, to enforce the order. Somehow over the past several months, that degenerated to, we'll let them mess around in that area, as long as they stay on their side of the disputed survey line. (Did I mention that this judge is an idiot, and totally unknowledgeable in property rights and boundary laws?) You people can be nose to nose with each other, as long as you're both still on your side of the line.

That means that, these people came over, ripped down our 80 year old boundary fence, ripped down a large portion of our new white board fencing, and have put up barbed wire, old rusty corrugated sheet metal "junkyard wall", painted t-posts fluorescent orange, and strung yellow caution tape and orange flags from it. It is just horrendous, and right in front of our house, and along our driveway. And that's just one aspect of the whole list of harassments.

So last week, here they come. It appears that they are going to try to install a gate across our driveway--which they've been told numerous times that they cannot do. My atty. says call the cops, which I do. While waiting, I go back out to finish cutting grass. I am mowing--on my property--when the deputy arrives. The neighbors waylay him, and say they want to make a "citizen's arrest" for me violating the 100 yard restraining order!

The deputy came down to talk with me. He said he wanted to see my drivers license and the newest copy of the restraining order. I said both are in the house. He shadowed me as I opened the gate and came into the main yard. I said, I have a puppy that is afraid of strangers, you need to let me get him first and confine him, as the way he shows this is by nipping/pulling on your pants leg. He was adopted from the ASPCA, previously abused, and doesn't know any better yet. I asked the deputy to stand still, but he kept dancing around to where I could not grab the excited pup. This is a 10 lb. miniature Dachshund, 6 months old. The deputy is well over 6 feet tall, and I'm guessing 250 pounds. He kicked the pup in the head with his steel-toed shoes, and sent him head over heels, yelping.

I said, that was totally uncalled for--what is wrong with you?! The deputy was red in the face, obviously angry, and raising his voice. We proceeded into the house. I was the only one at home. Before I could obtain my license or the restraining order, the deputy asked, "Are you going to go back out there?" "I said, what do you mean? I am just finishing cutting the grass." He asked, "Are you going to go back out there again?" I replied, "I am cutting the grass on my property. I am almost finished outside the gate, and getting ready to come inside the fence."

At that point, the deputy said, "I am placing you under arrest". He grabbed me by the right arm and shoulder, and roughly jerked me around to handcuff me behind my back. If he had been listening at all, he'd have probably heard my shoulder crunch. I also thought it was still standard operating procedure to read a person their Miranda Rights. This was not done. He kept a vice-grip hold on my arm the whole time I'm trying to change shoes, find my atty's card, etc. (with my arms squenched behind my back), following me thru the whole house.

On the way out to the car, I was in severe physical distress by then. I tried to explain to the deputy that because of past injuries, it was impossible to put my body in this position. I finally said, in a panic--"I can't do this, you're going to have to take these cuffs off!" He finally looked at my face, and the way my body was contorting, and did so, moving them to the front.

Several years ago, I had severe trauma to my right arm, shoulder, and wrist, with multiple breaks, and the wrist shattered. I spent months in casts, mechanical devices, and physical therapy. Both the wrist and shoulder are still "frozen", with a good deal of crepitation and arthritis. There is also nerve damage. I can still use all, as long as I don't overstress them. Because of the deputy's actions, I am now in a good deal of pain, and back in an arm brace. I went to the orthopedic surgeon today, and am scheduled for more tests next week. He put me on new meds, redid all the xrays, said yeah--your whole arm/shoulder system is still a train wreck. This guy didn't do you any favors. I may have to have surgery for compressed nerves, which was already going on, but certainly should not have been traumatized further.

I believe that the sheriff's department has already decided our case, are discriminating against us, and not enforcing the restraining order equally. If they were going to suddenly change their minds again about how they were going to enforce it, we should have been provided some notice. Again, if they are going to enforce the 100 yard concept--the neighbors were already in violation that day just by being down here, and will be in violation every time they come to the front of our property, and are in the disputed area. They have to actually leave their house, come a quarter mile down our road, to enter this area right in front of our house.

Regardless, the deputy's behavior on 4/11 was inexcusable. Besides exacerbating my old injuries, I have bruises on my wrist, lower and upper arm, and my wrist was swollen. We have taken photos. I am going to have to hire a third attorney yet, for my court appearance in June. Our real estate attys are saying this whole thing is just ridiculous, and I should be able to get my record expunged. However that does not expunge 4 hours in the jail system--something I never thought I'd see, I haven't even had a traffic ticket in years--or seeing the neighbors laugh and applaud as I'm taken away.

Because of my official complaint and the investigation, when we called 911 yesterday to report the neighbors were back in front of our house, and violating the 100 yard restraining order again, the operator called back and said, the sheriff's dept refused to respond to any calls to our address now--if we had a problem, call our atty. and the DA's office. Can you believe that?! My husband got on the phone with the watch commander, and calmly tried to explain the situation and ask for assistance. The lieutenant was belligerent, yelling, and finally just hung up on my husband. Nothing was done.

I really don't have the energy, time, money, whatever to be trying to file some separate lawsuit against the cops. But this is just outrageous. In talking with other people around here, I'm hearing other reports of local law-abiding citizens being harassed for no reason. Example--one man was even told, we intend to use fear and intimidation against people around here to keep them in line. It's because of people like you that Deputy XXX was killed. (This deputy was shot up here several years ago by an out of state transient.) It's like racial profiling, only against people in our little mountain area apparently. They harassed this man for an hour, after pulling him over and blocking him in, made him and his two companions get out and took all of their pictures, saying--we intend to eventually get pictures of everyone in this area. They ultimately said, ok--you can go now. The man is obviously outraged, and has posted the story on the front door of the restaurant he owns here.

Ideas? Past experiences? I cannot believe, we moved 2,000 miles across country to live in peace and quiet on our beautiful little mountain ranch next to two National Parks, and this is what is happening. I believe we will ultimately prevail in the boundary dispute (that fence had been the accepted boundary for over half a century, and we have testimony for it). I have no intention of ever moving. We're here for keeps. I am a successful, self-employed business owner, as was the other case of the man I mentioned above. The cops are just out of control here, and behaving like Nazi's. Thanks for listening to this long sad story so late at night.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:13 AM
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1. wow. what a sad story.
:cry:

I really don't have any insight I can offer here, other than to say that it sounds to me like harassment and wrongful arrest. I hope you're able to resovle the (apparently idiotic) dispute shortly so you can enjoy your peaceful surroundings again.

:hug:

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:18 AM
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2. Since you determine to stay
1) Make a list of the people who count in your area
2) Get to know them and make friends to those that is worth calling friends :evilgrin:
3) Have them over now and then ... dinner,barbecue, discussion, social work
4) Hire LOCAL part time workers to do you gardening. hell nothing wrong having a beatiful garden or well kept house.

The more local people who see whats being done the better. In fact let them come to an opinion themself

Basically when enough local people say its not right your neighbour lose.

See just use LOVE as the weapon
If they respect you, love you, value you as part of the community they will protect you.



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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:27 AM
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3. Wow.
You need to get a protective order against your neighbors. A lot more teeth than a restraining order. What general part of California are you in, a clue please? Your story is just heart wrenching, it sounds like a bad movie, but it is just all too believable. I've seen it many times the small town resenting the outsiders moving in with their educations and (perceived) superiority, in fact it happened in the town I used to live in and rages to this day.

There it has festered to the point where there are two of everything, newspapers, stores, restaurants, etc. The old townies vote one way, the newer liberal folks vote another. The new people are for new better school facilities which involve bond issues, as does sewers, sidewalks, amenities like that. Changing times, people hate that...

Good luck doodadem, I wish you the best, keep us apprised. Do let us know if we can help you out in our small way.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:30 AM
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6. Bingo! Sounds like you just described my hometown
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 06:33 AM by katinmn

except things changed in the '80s. It's not that way anymore.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:28 AM
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4. I'd call ACLU again. Maybe you'll get a better person on the line.
This seems monumental to me.

I'm sorry for all the hassles you're going through. The cops are clearly abusing their authority. Sounds like a bunch of local good ol boys got together and decided to intimidate the newcomers.

It is horrible that you have to spend all that money on lawyers' fees and such. And the physical abuse is plainly wrong!

Is there a reporter or columnist at a larger regional paper you could contact? The more people made aware of the situation, the better. The sherriff's department needs to be put under a microscope. Perhaps others will weigh in with more ideas.

Hang in there. This must be terrible for you and your husband.:hug:
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:29 AM
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5. This reeks of Christian Fundamentalist vigilante terrorism, which I...
have encountered both in the South and the rural Pacific Northwest: anytime you find vicious rednecks and brutal cops obviously in league with one another in the way you describe, it's usually because they attend the same Bible-thump church -- and in the South belong to the same "Saturday night men's Bible-study class" aka the Ku Klux Klan. That's the only explanation I can think of -- especially if you're not church attenders yourselves.

By the way, how's your dog?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 05:48 PM
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23. Thanks for the explanation.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:37 AM
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7. Well as a "hillbilly" I stepped reading after the 1st sentence
in the 2nd paragraph.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:51 AM
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9. Give it a rest........
sometimes I think people here read posts just to find something they can be offended by. Did anyone call you a hillbilly? Did anyone specifically insult you at all or are you just looking for something to be righteously indignant about this morning? This persons troubles are REAL while yours, as a self described hillbilly, are imagined. Have a cup of coffee and mellow out. It's not all about you.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:53 AM
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10. Give what a rest?
Maybe the attitude I detected may have something to do with the problem. But then again...
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:34 AM
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13. yeah, pull that stick out of your ass William769
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:37 AM
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15. God I know the truth hurts doesn't it.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:42 AM
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12. Are you involved in a boundary dispute with neighbors in central CA?
Did you rip down their 80 year old boundary fence, rip down a large portion of our new white board fencing, and put up barbed wire, erect a rusty corrugated sheet metal "junkyard wall", paint t-posts fluorescent orange, and string yellow caution tape and orange flags from it.

No reason to be upset there, no siree! Find something else to be self righteous about this morning, for pete's sake...
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:40 AM
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8. Hopefully your Lawyer and the ACLU....
(if you can get them involved) can make some headway here. I would especially pursue a law suit against the local PD. It sounds like your rights were violated by the local gestapo but that's a matter for your lawyer to decide.
Your neighbors sound like some real morans. I know what I'D do but that isn't necessarily the best course of action for you. Are there any zoning laws that would prohibit your neighbors from erecting eyesores like they have on the disputed property? It sounds like they're doing their best to piss you off and force you to do something rash. Don't bite, let the law handle it and if, as you say, the law is on your side they'll be the ones eating humble pie soon enough.
Good luck. I know how maddening bad neighbors can be. I've had a similar experience myself. They ended up moving because they screwed with the wrong person :evilgrin: ME! I hope you prevail and get your little slice of heaven back in order.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:50 AM
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14. Just wanted to say how sorry I am you have to deal with this.
I haven't had anything near what you've gone through, but I've had bits and pieces of it. I remember one night when a local police officer harassed me for "parking too close" to his car and put me up against his squad car, and threatened to take me in. There's nothing quite so horrifying as realizing that the people who are supposed to protect you are against you. Good luck, and I hope you keep us posted.
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:52 PM
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16. Thanks all for your support
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 07:53 PM by doodadem
I really appreciate it.
I had 3 deputies back out here today, including the one who roughed me up last week, although they relegated him to taking pictures. I called in another restraining order violation by these people. It's what the lieutenant in Internal Affairs told me to do, while he's investigating. My understanding when they left, was that they were going to go cite the neighbors.

I am concerned about our attorney at this point. This whole case is way more than any of us bargained for, when we originally hired him for a simple easement road dispute. He keeps saying, I'm a real estate atty! We can't go changing horses at this late stage of the game. He's saying, you either need to trust me, or find someone more aggressive and nasty like the opposing side's. I think he's miffed that I found this Calif. law that seems to absolutely fit our case, and makes it game over for the neighbors. He keeps coming up with reasons why it won't work, and case law that does not appear to fit. The second atty. hired by the insurance co., and our surveyor agree with me, that this is the way to win. Hopefully this can all be hashed out when we all get together for a meeting next week.

BTW--I am originally a Kentucky kid. I grew up dirt poor, but we were never white trash--my definition of hillbilly. Our little house and yard were kept squeaky clean, and my clothes, mended and handed down from 3 older sisters and a brother, were always washed and ironed. To be called hillbilly, meant you were washing-machine-on-the-front-porch and junked-cars-up-on blocks-no class.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:51 AM
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21. Unfortunately, quick resolution...
...is generally not in the best economic interest of involved attorneys. The obvious conflict of interest here very often results in litigation being drawn out well beyond what is really necessary. What I'm hearing makes me think you might want to consider different representation.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:17 AM
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17. Man, what fuckers...
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:19 AM
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18. The only insight i can offer is
that people with power abuse it. Whether its employer over employee, politicians over people, cops over citizens. Its part of the human condition and its sickening. The police have a distinct and unique duty not to do this being in the position of power they are, however seem to be the ones that most abuse it. The problem is also that in something like this they close ranks so even the good ones won't stick up for you and what's right. Power is some a dangerous and corrupting force it enrages me to hear such stories. How can such an obviously incompetent, ignorant and aggressive individual have the public's best interests at heart, and how can such a man be given that position.

Also when the powers that be decide against you, as you feel they have you are in a precarious position. My advice would be to record every daily event and dealing with your neighbours and the police. Take names, dates and what was said, record telephone conversations and if you can afford it set up discrete cameras to record any dealings with the police and your neighbours. I hate surveillance of all kinds but this is your property and you are monitoring the state. If the shit hits the fan you will be very well prepared to take it all to a lawyer.

you have my sympathies.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:34 AM
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19. Man, if that was me, the game would've been over the moment
that asshat kicked my dog; I would have totally lost it.

Other than that I have nothing to offer except sympathy.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:09 PM
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20. The State Police may be a better group to get involved.
Local police have to many buddies and are to easily influenced. I would be calling the State Police out not your locals. I realize it will take a little longer for them to respond but that's who I would call. You obviously will not get a fair shake with your local police.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 05:46 PM
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22. Maybe the "police" in this town of yours deserve to be "shot".
No sympathy for them whatsoever. Just lowly government types who abuse their power. For kicking your dog, the piggy derserved to a few swings in his "nut sack" with a steel bat.

With that said, I would never move into a small town.
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Dufaeth Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 07:02 PM
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24. The deputy would've been the one in a cast if he kicked my dog
You definetly need to contact the state police or even the FBI about this shit.
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antonini Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:11 PM
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25. I have been harrassed by local cops, and had my case rejected and accepted
by ACLU lawyers.

Do you think there's a chance of any collusion between your neighbors and the cops there? You might be able to file a civil rights suit against the cops in federal court. It's called a 1983 action and it can definitely get their attention.

But I should warn you that fighting with cops is an intensely lonely, draining and probably fairly embittering ordeal you ought to consider avoiding if you can. At their level of authority/power, they can cause you a hell of a lot of pain w/o much effort. They can even kill you with some impunity -- and that's not an exaggeration. On the other hand, from the story you tell, it seems they may already be engaged in that, so striking back like that might be a reasonable self-defense step. Just be sure you prepare yourself as well as you can and then be ready for the long haul, too. Once you start punching back, don't let up.

The ACLU ... yeah, people always think the ACLU will ride to the rescue just because what's happening to them is a clear case of injustice. That is not enough. There are thousands of horrific injustices being meted out to citizen-victims every day. And, in a case like yours, there's no way for the ACLU-types to really *know* if your case is really so ideal. It's a property dispute case, after all, it could be your fault. They will likely be skeptical, I'm sorry to say. They are also not immune to the same pressures as any other attorney, and taking on the police for you may not seem like the best choice of fights to them.

The best advice I've seen here was the person who suggested buddying up to all the locals. That approach seems likely to yield a lot of positive results even beyond your goals of dealing with the cops. And, if you do decide to go toe-to-toe with Mr. Pig you cannot have too many friends.

As for the people who talked about how they would have decked the cop who kicked your dog -- that's bullshit. They must be trying to sympathize with you or something, because that's exactly what the cop would have loved for you to do.

Have a good time this summer at all the barbeques and ice-ream socials you're gonna have over at your place!
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