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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:29 PM
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The lipstick lesbian daring to confront radical imams
Irshad Manji has already been dubbed ‘Osama’s worst nightmare’ for her criticisms of Islam. Now she wants Britain’s Muslims to stand more firmly on the side of freedom



No wonder Irshad Manji has received death threats since appearing on British television: she is a lipstick lesbian, a Muslim and scourge of Islamic leaders, whom she accuses of making excuses about the terror attacks on London. Oh, and she tells ordinary Muslims to “crawl out of their narcissistic shell”. Ouch.
Manji is a glamorous Canadian television presenter whose book, The Trouble with Islam, has made her so famous in America that she won something called the Oprah Winfrey Chutzpah award. Even at a conference in Oxford last week she felt unsafe — despite extra security — with police sifting through “disgusting e-mails” and threats after her appearance on Newsnight.



Doesn’t the violent Muslim minority show Islam is flawed? “I ask myself the same question,” she grimaces. Far from regarding Muslims as oppressed they have a “supremacy complex — and that’s dangerous”. This, she contends, is true even among moderates. “Literalists” who consider the Koran the “perfect manifesto of God” have taken over the mainstream; and far from misreading Islam, as Tony Blair and the Muslim Council of Britain insist, terrorists can find encouragement for murder in the Koran.

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She excuses Blair glossing over violent aspects of Islam as “he is only trying to divert a backlash against Muslims, bless him” but she despises the Muslim Council for not coming clean. “Even if Muslims are only interested in slick PR, it would be a great move to recognise the problem; it would spread trust. And I am not asking them to do anything Jews and Christians haven’t done.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1696968_1,00.html

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note...if posted in gd, would have been kicked here anyway.




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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:32 PM
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1. Lipstick!!!?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:35 PM
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2. OK....Wal-mart lipstick !! You got me.
hey....I dont dress her.


lol
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DemFromMem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:52 PM
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16. Completely superficial comment
She was on Bill Maher a couple of months back. Did not know of her beforehand. She made some valid comments and some very questionable ones. But her demeanor was so annoying I had to fast forward the Tivo to the next segment. She tried to tell some improvised jokes (which you have to do when you're on that show), but they all fell flat. She interupted other guests inappropriately. I think the other guests found her irritating as well. She also seemed to be pretty self-promoting - "Hey, pay attention to me; I might say something really unexpected."

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:35 AM
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14. I heard the term used by men that believe if the right man came along
the lesbian will be converted from her lifestyle. Only a moron would believe is such crap!
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:50 PM
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3. More info :Moderate Muslims and Arabs Emerge from the Shadows
Arab and Persian intellectuals living in the United States are also making their mark. The brilliant Fouad Ajami, professor of Middle Eastern studies at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, is one of the most eloquent voices in American journalism. Born in Lebanon, Ajami’s books, The Dream Palace of the Arabs, The Arab Predicament and The Vanished Imam, provide insight into an Arab culture seldom understood by most Americans. His articles for Foreign Affairs and the Wall Street Journal are a both essential and pleasurable reading.




Another professor originally from Lebanon, Walid Phares, a Christian, is now a terrorism analyst and Middle East expert for various mainstream media outlets in the U.S. His articles appear regularly at Frontpage.com and he is a senior fellow for the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. He is represented by Benador Associates, a public relations firm that features many of today’s brightest political stars. The writings of fellow Benador expert, Iranian Amir Taheri, provide an indispensable source of knowledge on Iran and the Muslim world.




Unsurprisingly, Muslim women have been some of the most powerful voices of moderation among their peers. Canadian Irshad Manji has become well known for her groundbreaking book, The Trouble with Islam: A Muslim’s Call for Reform in Her Faith, which provides an honest examination of the religion and its drawbacks. As a gay woman, Manji is intimately familiar with the prejudices her own culture elicits.




Asra Q. Nomani, an accomplished reporter originally from India, caused a stir last year in her Morgantown, West Virginia, mosque when she refused to abide by the usual gender-segregated seating. She continues to speak out for women’s rights in the American Muslim community and to oppose what she calls the attempted “takeover of many U.S. mosques by conservative and traditionalist Muslims.”




In the Netherlands, Somali-born Dutch MP Ayann Hirsi Ali has been a strong proponent of Muslim women’s rights. An ex-Muslim who left Somalia to escape an arranged marriage, Ali has paid a high price for her outspokenness. She’s accompanied by a security guard at all times and has had to go into hiding on several occasions, most recently in the wake of Theo Van Gogh’s murder by an Islamist with ties to terrorism. Ali and Van Gogh had collaborated on Submission, a controversial film that criticizes the treatment of women under Islam. Ali was threatened directly in a note attached to Van Gogh’s body, titled “An Open Letter to Hirsi Ali” and has since gone underground. She may yet be rewarded for her bravery by the growing outcry in the Netherlands against Islamic extremism.


http://www.freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=234
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:38 PM
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4. 500 British Imams just put a Fatwa on terrorism/ists outside Westminster
Which is what i've thought should be done for years. One can then distinguish between those who say they don't support terrorism and those that definetely don't by who sides with the Fatwa or not.

Not that simple obviously but...
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:42 PM
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5. Any link on that ??
thank you in advance
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:56 PM
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6. It relates directly to
the London terrorists but are calling them unbelievers for killing innocents which is v.encouraging.

Als when looking for the link i found out that, bizarrely, many Pakistani and Afghan Imams (in opposition) issued a Fatwa on Bin Laden in 1998 after Kenya bomb.

Anyway here its is.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/iraq/muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-on-terrorists/2005/07/19/1121538944373.html
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:08 PM
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8. Thank you. Interesting.
Lovely thoughts and it would be quite refreshing if the terrorists amoung them were outted.

We shall see.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:34 PM
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10. Benny....Apparently the message was lost.


London bomber's uncle defends nephew's 'sacrifice': Report


The uncle of Shahzad Tanweer, one of the four London bomb suspects, has defended his nephew's actions as a desperate "sacrifice" in an interview with the British tabloid newspaper 'The News of thee World'.

"These suicide bombers are desperate people," Bashir Ahmed told the Sunday Paper. "They are not getting their rights. They can see that their brothers are not getting their rights, so they take extreme action."

"This lad has made a name for himself in the world. Muslims call it a sacrifice, the Europeans call him a terrorist,"
he was quoted as saying.

Tanweer's uncle laid the blame for the rush-hour attacks on London's transport network at the feet of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush, warning, "there will be more".

Citing US policy in Iraq and the Middle East, as well as its treatment of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay base in Cuba, Ahmed told the paper that western disregard for the rights of Muslims was driving young men to violence.

http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=229267&sid=WOR

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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:10 AM
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15. A few days ago on TV his message
was quite different.

Thats a shame. I'd like to know who's been in contact with him since his last interview or whether he came to those conclusions himself.

Or whether he's a greiving father and his mind is being temporarily affected as such.

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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:39 PM
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11. Who is the author of this? n/t.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:01 PM
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7. Unfortunately, some people DOWN UNDER dont agree.
Books of hate in Sydney shops


BOOKS of hate promoting jihad, hostility to Australia and "wiring up one's body" for suicide attacks are for sale in bookshops in Sydney's Muslim community.

A special investigation by The Daily Telegraph in the wake of the London bombings found extremist literature on shelves near innocuous children's reading such as It's fun to wear a hijab.
One incendiary tome bought for $11, Defence of the Muslim Lands carries an endorsement from Osama bin Laden on its cover.

The book by Sheik Abdullah Azzam, found at The Islamic Bookstore at Lakemba, discusses the effectiveness of suicide bombings.

"There is no other technique which strikes as much terror into their hearts, and which shatters their spirits as much."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15964118-421,00.html

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I find that hard to believe.




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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:33 PM
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9. Spooky.
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 07:44 PM by Englander
Never mind gd,this article is top of the pile
at lgf.....

As is the "zeenews" article, & the New.com.au article.

Now, *what* are the chances of that happening?

Must be a coincidence.

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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 08:15 PM
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12. Perhaps you would like to try something new....
like commenting on the article and give your opinion on the articles.

And what you agree or disagree with the article.

I want to get you on record again.lol
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 08:51 PM
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13. I cannot find "palestin[e|ian], "jew", or "israel".
But you are probably right about GD.
You could try "Religious Freedom & Church-State Issues" though:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=226

Maybe that should be Religious Freedom & {Church|Mosque|Temple|Whathaveyou} State Issues.

Or "Religion & Theology":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=214

While she has some good points about Islamic fundies, she seems a bit ignorant about the state of institutional Christianity, which is all over the map as far as ethics and morality and integrity, and we all know in this forum about the internal disagreements among the Jews.
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