Recent media attacks on all kinds of vitamins

[Sarah Ibarruri]

TITLE: Media hoax exposed: Recent attack on vitamins a fabricated scare campaign =

(NaturalNews) TIME, USA Today, MSNBC, NPR, CTV, the LA Times and numerous other mainstream media outlets have all been running a juvenile hoax over the last week. Through various misleading headlines, they're all claiming that vitamins might kill you. Here are some of the headlines:
Study links vitamins to higher death rates in women - CTV
Study: Vitamins may increase death risk in older women - USA Today
We've Been Wasting a Ton of Money on Vitamins and Dietary Supplements - TIME
Some common vitamin supplements could increase death risk - MSNBC
Dietary supplements risky for older women, study finds - LA Times
Supplements Look Risky In Study Of Older Women - NPR
Vitamins do more harm than good, new suggest says - News.com.au
Women Who Take Vitamin Supplements May Have Increased Death Risk - Huffington Post

There are literally hundreds of headlines from mainstream news sources that essentially say the same thing. There's only one problem with all this: The whole thing is a HOAX! And NaturalNews is stepping forward to expose this hoax using data from the published study itself. Exposed: A total mainstream media hoax. Caught yet again, the mainstream media has been exposed pulling off a juvenile, simplistic hoax that attempts to scare people away from good nutrition. To accomplish this hoax, they took a poorly-constructed "scientific" study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine which was itself based on erroneous conclusions (see below) and then blatantly misreported what the study data actually showed.
This journal is owned, not surprisingly, by the American Medical Association, which has a long and sordid history of openly attacking vitamins and nutrition, even to the point of committing crimes that violate federal law. Remember, the AMA has been found guilty of conspiracy in federal courts: http://www.naturalnews.com/008845.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/033883_vitamins_mortality_risk.html

[midnight]

1. Thanks for posting... Big Pharma is so greedy...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. Thank you. Let others know the huge attack on vitamins by big pharma is up to. nt

[trotsky]

8. But big supplement is only in it to help people, right?

I don't trust either big business, but at least there is a regulation system to govern pharma. Not so for supplement pushers - they could sell you sugar pills and charge $50/bottle and get away with it.

[GoCubsGo]

10. Ummm....

I thought you said that facts have no place on this thread...

[trotsky]

11. Shhh!

;-)

[BuddhaGirl]

19. +1 Big Pharma indeed

:thumbsup:

[HuckleB]

29. +1 GO BIG SUPPLEMENT!

No proof needed! And no one should ever ask if your claims have any validity in any way shape or form!

GO FREEDOM!

KILL ALL REGULATION!

WOO HOO!

:woohoo:

:eyes:

[BuddhaGirl]

40. lame, but

whatever floats your boat! :hi:

[HuckleB]

43. It's your boat.

[BuddhaGirl]

46. naw, it's your boat

n/t

[HuckleB]

57. I'm not the one blindly cheering on BIG SUPPLEMENT!

Try again.

[BuddhaGirl]

62. try again

Once again, mocking and attacking others who think differently than you.

Seems a waste of time, imo.

[HuckleB]

63. I'm simply stating exactly what you do.

All your +1s are aimed at blind support of posts which contain pushes against treatment that has an actual, profound evidence base. You offer nothing for solid, science-based treatments but derision.

So, yeah, try again.

[BuddhaGirl]

66. nope, try again

n/t

[HuckleB]

67. As usual, you make a claim that falls and crashes in the face of evidence.

BAM! BOOM! BAAAAAAHNMMMM!

:rofl:

[BuddhaGirl]

68. it's your prerogative to believe

what you believe :-)

[HuckleB]

69. I'm going with the evidence.

And the evidence supports what I've noted.

[LeftishBrit]

61. It may be. But so is 'Natural News'.

Anyone who opposes government provision of healthcare and supports right-libertarianism on such issues is a MONSTER OF PURE INDESCRIBABLE EVIL, WHO CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS A HUMAN BEING!!! This certainly describes quite a few representatives of Big Pharma; but it also includes Natural News.

I don't particularly trust the media on health issues, and wouldn't rule out some of the writers whipping up sensational scares against vitamins just as some have done on vaccines for example. But I trust 'Natural News' even less.

[astral]

88. I gotta jump in here before I finish reading this thread.

I don't mind anybody hating Natural News' political views on things, and sometimes the attitude on a topic goes a bit over the top and even gets on my nerves, even if I agree with the information. (And I have to admit, I more than 99.9% of the time **DO** agree with their political views.) However, the many powerful and important and, yes, SCARY, health facts presented on that site knock everybody's socks off and we NEED THE INFORMATION. You'll see info there you won't run into anywhere else.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I swear I have said this before, maybe I have.

Trotsky, you seem to not even believe vitamin and mineral supplementation are useful or beneficial. I am always amazed (as well as appalled) at your views on anything to do with the topic, and of course, I know you live full-time in this forum. Balanced discussion of two sides of a story is a healthy thing. BOTH sides may have something to learn.

But, throwing generalizations and personal attacks does not educate anyone. Let's have SPECIFIC instances of facts that can be verified in this (potentially) healthy debate. I know I talk too often of my own personal experience, with trying things I read about, or heard about, that I needed to help me, and they helped me. I was not doing a scientific study on myself, i was merely trying to save my health and for awhile there I thought my life. Doctors would tell me, "there is no cause," "there is no cure," "it's adult-onset this-or that" and "you will have this for the rest of your life, but there are things we can do to help with the S-Y-M-P-T-O-M-S."

We simply can not rely on the mainstream health-care system to have all the answers for us. They DON'T. We are learning about ourselves at an exponential rate at this moment in human history. Most of the new information we get, or "much" of it, isn't going to at first appear from your "reliable sources." See, the reliable sources studying mainstream research are very much in the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry and they are researching PATENTABLE phenomenon, that is their PURPOSE, first and foremost even before HEALING.

I'm not even done spewing and I did not mean to get on a big long wordy post here, so I'll quit for now and READ ON.

: )

[LeftishBrit]

92. First of all, I am not Trotsky! We don't even live in the same country.

Secondly, I agree that no one has all the answers, including the doctors. There is much that remains to be learned. However, what really bothers me about such sites as Natural News is that they seem to want to go backwards, rather than forwards. Their mindset is generally to reject the new in favour of the old; to want to go back to the sort of treatments that were available in the days of our grandparents - when many people simply did not survive. I consider that they have an ideological anti-modern-medicine attitude which is not dissimilar to the religious-right anti-stem-cell research attitude: in both cases, the attitude is 'Our ideology trumps your health needs; if you need anything more than was available to your great-grandparents, then you don't deserve any special help or consideration; just suffer or better still, drop dead!'

I think that right-libertarian attitudes to healthcare, and support for the likes of Ron Paul, are SO dangerous and wicked, that they must be opposed with all the power that we can raise against them! And I fully agree that people can be right-wing voters and yet have medically accurate information; but I do think that in this case, the Natural News site and their like are reactionary both in their attitude to politics *and* to medicine.

For what it's worth, I *do* think that the 'dangers of vitamin supplementation' are being distorted by the media in precisely the same way as the 'dangers of vaccinations'. I don't think vitamin supplements are a cure-all, but I don't think there's any evidence that they endanger life (except in cases of real misuse); people are more likely to take medications, including supplements when they already have health problems, rather than the medications/ supplements *causing* the health problems.

As regards specifics, the worst suggestion I have found is that baking soda can cure cancer!

[HuckleB]

94. Specifics about "NaturalNews" have been given to that poster over and over again.

For some reason, the poster pretends otherwise.

[lbrtbell]

3. I hate the AMA - n/t

[leftyohiolib]

4. cant have people trying to keep themselves healthy when

the big pharm can charge you 200 dollars a pill for what ails ya.

[uppityperson]

31. Indeed, when you could instead pay $200 for Big Vita supported pills!

Yay Big Vita!!111

[GoCubsGo]

5. Huh?

I have seen many of those reports. None of them are claiming that "vitamins might kill you". They are, however, pointing out that excessive dosages of vitamins can kill you. There is nothing "HOAX" about that. For years, there has been ample evidence that excessive amounts of vitamins and minerals can cause damage to one's body. Excessive amounts of iron DO damage one's liver. You CAN overdose on fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K). Nobody is "trying to scare anyone away from good nutrition." Quite the contrary. They're trying to get people to actually think twice about what they pop into their stomachs every morning. "Good nutrition" isn't shoving a pile of vitamins down one's throat every day.

[trotsky]

9. Shhh!

Facts have no place on this thread, I'll have you know.

[HuckleB]

17. They're also pointing out that, for most people, few to no supplements are necessary.

And that's not good for BIG SUPPLEMENT'S bottom line. And the source in the OP is nothing but a mouthpiece for big supplement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x110688#110734

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. "Excessive" meaning whatever the FDA decides? nt

[uppityperson]

26. No. "excessive" is that which harms you. Big Pharma. Big Vita. Big Bucks.

Yes, it is so awful when media points out that some things (even promoted by Big Vita) can hurt you. Or is it only when they point some some things from Big Pharma?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. Codex is brought to you by big pharma, and the 'news' that vitamins are bad, is brought by them nt

[HuckleB]

Codex is meaningless.

And it has nothing to do with "BIG PHARMA/"

Nor does the research that is showing that supplement companies are making money selling worthless products.

Cut the crap. If you care about health, then demand true regulation of supplements. It's the only way to justice.

[HuckleB]

28. Codex is meaningless.

And it has nothing to do with "BIG PHARMA/"

Nor does the research that is showing that supplement companies are making money selling worthless products.

Cut the crap. If you care about health, then demand true regulation of supplements. It's the only way to justice.

[uppityperson]

30. we "knew" vitamins could be toxic back when I was a kid, thank you uncle Dr

I am glad that the "news" is still getting out and people are aware of this as yes, you can overdose on vitamins and many supplements. I don't see "big pharma" saying "vitamins are bad" but that they can be overdone. Guess you support Big Vita that says they are always absolutely safe.

Which makes sense, reading what all you've posted here recently.

I, however, don't see things is such a dichotomous way. Too little or too much iron, for instance, can be bad for a person where the right amount helps keep them healthy.

[femrap]

6. I heard some

'paid' woman saying that Vitamin C did nothing for you....what a f*cking crock of doo-doo. And NOT to change your toothbrush after a cold or flu. She said they were 'myths.' And the 'Sheep-casters' just go along w/ Paid Woman's crap

Shit.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. I agree. Vitamin C is something I can't do without. I wound super easy unless

I take vitamin C. I've tried it without and I've tried it with, and it helps me tremendously. Even drinking vitamin C juice or eating fruit doesn't do it. I need the supplements.

[MineralMan]

65. Fine. Vitamin C is a common chemical. It's available at low cost

at every supermarket and drugstore. Ascorbic acid isn't rocket science. It's cheap to make and easy to find. Take as much as you like, but watch out for overdoses. They can mess with your digestive tract in unpleasant ways, although an overdose won't do you any serious harm, and the side-effects go away as soon as you lower the dose.

Take your Vitamin C. Nobody is trying to keep you from doing so.

Walgreens has 1000 mg Vitamin C USP with Rose Hips, 100 ct. for just $7. That's pretty reasonable, I think, and you can pick it up anytime you like. When there's a sale, you can sometimes get two bottles for $7. Now, I call that a bargain. No shipping charges, either. I wouldn't take more than two a day, though.

If you're really thrifty, you can buy a kilogram of 100% pure Ascorbic Acid USP on Amazon.com for only $17. Now that would last you for almost 3 years if you took 1 gram per day. 1000 1000 mg doses for just $17. Straight from the lab, with no fillers or adulterants. It's USP grade, which means it's the purest form of ascorbic acid you can buy. No limitations on quantity, and anyone can order it.

Save money and go directly to the lab for your ascorbic acid!

[Odin2005]

7. NaturalNews? HAHAHAHAHA!!! That site is woo central.

:rofl:

[wakemewhenitsover]

12. The vitamin industry is big business, too -- and sometimes, the same as big pharm itself.

For example, Centrum is a Pfizer product.

By no means are vitamin pills necessarily "good nutrition".

[MineralMan]

13. Big Pharma - Big Vita - Big Bucks.

The supplement industry has just one thing in mind, and it's the same as the phamaceutical industry. Make tons of money. This battle between the two is stupid.

There's a place for supplements. There's a place for pharmaceuticals. Both can be very useful, when used appropriately.

[MineralMan]

14. Natural News - If you didn't click the link, see what you missed:

Take a close look at these ads. Cure cancer? Really? Moles? What if your mole is melanoma? These ads are all bogus. They're there to rip off frightened people who have medical conditions that worry them. How is this better? This is what Natural News supports. This is what pays their bills. Quackery.

BTW, if you go to the site, I suggest avoiding clicking on these ads. I tried one, and had to close my browser to get out of the loop it started. Nice, huh?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. Ads is not the reason I posted this. Even DU has GOP ads, but we're not GOP.

What you are unaware of is something called CODEX. Look it up.

[HuckleB]

33. Are you not aware that "Naturalnews" is a scam site?

Look it up.

[astral]

70. I read Natural News every day. It's an honest site with a lot of information.

Sure, he gets a bit pucker-faced and ranty-ravy sometimes, but heck, who wouldn't with all the information that's out there?

Take what you read there like everything else -- see what interests you, alarms you, verify it if you want.

[HuckleB]

71. It's a dishonest site, aimed at misinforming and disinforming.

It's not about "what interests you," etc... It's the fact that the site does not deal in the facts. The real world cannot be found there.

[HuckleB]

72. More on this despicable web site.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

[astral]

89. See, I forgot I had already replied to this topic... )

These topics do tend to run into each other a bit, though.

[HuckleB]

93. The poster who put up this OP, put up the same OP several times.

It is quite bizarre.

[MineralMan]

38. Why do you suppose I'm not familiar with the codex you describe?

I am. It's been lied about in the alternative medicine media for a very long time. Personally, I'm for improvements in the regulation of supplements and alternative medicines. They've had a completely free hand for far too long, and that's not good for people's health in the long term.

By the way, not everyone is familiar with what you're talking about. There are many definitions for the word "codex." Most of them have nothing to do with supplements. If you're going to toss it out there, you might consider a reference link of some kind, so people who don't follow this stuff can look into it.

In fact, here's an excellent link:

http://www.fda.gov/food/dietarysupplements/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/ucm113860.htm

[Sarah Ibarruri]

41. Because there's a massive push to get Codex approved. nt

[MineralMan]

47. Approved? It's already approved, by the international body that

created it. It's not the law of the land here in the USA, and won't be. The link I provided above explains that.

From what I've seen, it sounds like you need to go look at the actual Codex organization's page, the FDA page and find out what's really going on. What you're saying appears to come from unreliable sources and for-profit advocacy groups.

[Codeine]

54. Christ. At least use the full term.

"Codex" is a generic term for any book of statutes or codes.

This is what happens when buzzwords and paranoia replace debate in information.

Ferfuxsake.

[uppityperson]

60. Took me a bit of research to figure out why I should trust a book of statutes or codes

trying to figure out wtf she meant there.

[Codeine]

51. FIVE GALLONS OF COLLOIDAL SILVER?!

Yikes.

[MineralMan]

56. You, too, can turn blue!

:rofl:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

87. The blue guy was NOT taking colloidal silver.

Colloidal silver is chemically inert because the particles are so small.

The guy who turned blue put salt in his silver, because he was an idiot. He got poisoned by silver chloride. The chlorine came from the salt.

He's an idiot.

[Peggy Day]

15. where will it all end?

Freedom of consumption. No codex. No restriction of vitamins or food.

http://www.thecompletepatient.com/journal/2011/9/15/wi-judge-to-zinniker-ftcldf-no-fundamental-right-to-own-a-co.html

[HuckleB]

18. Who needs government?

Let's just get rid of all regulations!

Woo hoo!

:mad: :puke: :eyes:

[BuddhaGirl]

20. the attacks by Big Pharma won't end as long as

people desire to take control of their health and desire to move beyond the traditional model!

[uppityperson]

32. Damn them for regulating food. EVERYONE should be able to buy contaminated food if they want!

I mean, really, this is what you are saying with "no restriction of food". Care for a cantaloupe? How about we pull all restrictions on Big Farms, let them keep cows with no restrictions or regulations. Yay for polio!

[Peggy Day]

34. Let's just let Monsanto produce for EVERYONE-use monoculture and GMO food

Why let anyone else produce anything? We wouldn't want it if it wasn't regulated. Hell, forget Vit C too-it doesn't help anyway-if you need it after eating all the great food that has been produced for the masses, let the pharmacutical company and your doctor precribe it.
Cantaloupe that tastes like nothing... if that's what you want to eat.
I don't, and I don't want to be prevented from eating my food from my own garden, raw milk if I want to. I also don't want my vitamins and herbs messed with.
If I want to commit sucicide from ingesting too much Vitamin A, so be it.

[laconicsax]

35. That's a lovely red herring you've offered up. n/t

[uppityperson]

36. Listeria laced cantaloupe and milk contaminated with polio, coming right up

Do you understand the difference between "eating my food from my own garden" and how bad things would be if Factory Farms had no regulations? I think not.

Why did "only" a few kids die after eating e-coli'd hamburger? Yes, those regulations that you so despise.

[Name removed]

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[uppityperson]

73. No restriction of food like happened here....? Jensen Farms is a good example of why we have limits.

http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/jensen-farms-never-inspected-by-fda/article_1b286ba2-fadb-11e0-b01d-001cc4c002e0.html?success=1
Jensen Farms never inspected by FDA (Listeria out break)

DENVER — The U.S. Food and Drug Administration confirmed Wednesday it has never inspected Jensen Farms during its two decades of operation, and an independent, voluntary audit the farm underwent in July failed to detect the hazards that are being blamed for the deadliest American outbreak from contaminated food in 25 years.

Unsanitary conditions in the processing of cantaloupes at Jensen Farms' packing facility near Granada were identified Wednesday as the source of a listeria outbreak that the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention blames for 25 deaths, one miscarriage and more than 120 people becoming ill in 26 states.

[HuckleB]

16. It's horrible when the media reports the actual science (FINALLY)!

How dare the media do its job and explain that most supplements are a complete waste of money! That's right. The media's job is to protect the scams pushed by BIG SUPPLEMENT!

Uh, wait. No. That's not right. Is it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x110688#110734

[SidDithers]

24. Naturalnews. LOL...nt

Sid

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. Are you in favor of Codex? nt

[SidDithers]

37. I'm absolutely in favour of Codex....

Are you not in favour are science-based guidelines for use?

Are you not in favour of supplements being labeled so they contain what they say they contain, in the amount they say they contain, and are not contaminated with any other substance not listed?

Sid

[MineralMan]

39. Here are the facts about Codex Alimentarium

as it pertains to food supplements:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x110818

Direct sources of actual information, rather than disinformation from second and third hand sources. It's good to get the facts.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

42. Nice. So you're willing to let the DOCTORS do the prescribing of your vitamins, right?

Not me.

[SidDithers]

44. Ahhh, I think I see the problem...

It's that you're completely misinformed, which is understandable, if you're getting your information from places like naturalnews.

Further, there is no basis for the concern that the Codex Guidelines on Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements would require dietary supplements be sold as prescription drugs in the United States. First, there is nothing in the Guidelines that suggests that supplements be sold as drugs requiring a prescription. Second, U.S. regulatory agencies are bound by the laws established by Congress, not by Codex standards. Third, because of our generally less restrictive standards, it is unlikely that the trade dispute would be brought against the U.S.

In summary, U.S. consumers' access to a broad array of dietary supplements under DSHEA would not be changed in any way by Codex's adoption of guidelines on vitamin and mineral food supplements.

http://www.fda.gov/food/dietarysupplements/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/ucm113860.htm

Sid

[Sarah Ibarruri]

45. No. I'm not misinformed. I want the FDA's hands off my supplements. They've done enough damage nt

[MineralMan]

49. How about documenting that damage for us with regard to

supplements. Just your word isn't really enough, you know. Show us reliable sources that demonstrate that the FDA has done damage to supplements.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

52. There's plenty of documentation with regard to drugs. FDA and doctors out of my supplements! nt

[MineralMan]

55. I see that you cannot fulfill my request for documentation of

what you say. I hope people will notice that lack of documentation and act accordingly.

[HuckleB]

58. Get scams out of health care.

http://getbetterhealth.com/the-evolution-of-dietary-supplement-marketing/2011.08.22

[MineralMan]

48. There's nothing in the Codex about requiring prescriptions.

Nothing at all. It's all about labeling and things like that. The FDA has no plans whatsoever to require prescriptions for supplements. You've been reading misinformation from for-profit advocacy groups, it looks like, rather than actual sources. You can find the actual sources, you know. It's easy.

[uppityperson]

59. Where does it say anything in the Codex Alimentarium about doctors prescribing vitamins?

[MineralMan]

64. It doesn't. There's nothing in it about that.

The possibility was raised, and rejected by the organization. The current information regarding supplements can be found at http://www.codexalimentarius.org/

The document ratified by them is available on that site. No mention is made of prescriptions for supplements at all - just labeling information, dosage recommendations and packaging. It's a shibboleth manufactured by the supplement industry for reasons known best to them.

[Codeine]

50. Natural News. What a fucking joke. nt

[astral]

74. Come up with one specific thing Natural News posts that is untrue. Just one.

Pick a thing. Any thing.

Off their website, that is.

[LeftishBrit]

75. That baking soda is an effective treatment for cancer.

[Dorian Gray]

76. They don't really say that

do they?

[HuckleB]

77. Are you going to defend this?

http://www.naturalnews.com/032070_baking_soda_tumors.html

The full reality of the site is described here: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

[LeftishBrit]

82. I think Dorian was expressing a degree of disbelief, not defending NaturalNews

You've got to admit, some of this stuff IS hard to believe!

Thanks for the links.

[HuckleB]

84. Ah, I see. Got it. -eom-

[HuckleB]

85. My apologies.

It looks like I misinterpreted your question.

[Dorian Gray]

86. No worries

it's a ridiculous claim. It's hard to believe anyone would claim that, let alone believe it.

[astral]

90. Well, can't it be verified whether this is true or false?

Another "random" paragraph from the same aritcle:

"Cancer cells thrive in a low-oxygen environment. The body cannot retain oxygen cells if the blood pH is highly acidic, and this is the standard condition of those with tumors who eat a diet of refined sugars, flours, caffeine and other acidic foods. Baking soda, or Sodium Bicarbonate, is a substance that neutralizes acids. One teaspoon a week will reverse an acidic blood pH, as will switching to a diet high in alkaline-producing foods."

____________________ END OF QUOTE_____________________

We do know keeping an acid/alkaline balance in favor of alkaline helps prevent cancer from taking hold. People have been arrested and jailed for trying holistic, HARMLESS approaches to fighting cancer. I do not know how we are going to break out of the medical industry's stranglehold on cancer treatment if we can not have "approval" to study the actual things we know about.

We are forced to start out as if we were all born yesterday and nobody's allowed to already know what we already know and have been practicing as a species for years or even eons. Commonly-known medicinal qualities of herbs are repressed and outlawed. Even the INFORMATION about them is repressed to a larger degree than before. For instance, I wanted to find an herbal natural cleaner. I learned about a cleaner made from thymol. In searching all over the place I learned there is only one botanical cleaner approved for use in the United States, and it uses thymol, and even variations on it used by another company were seized because they made the simple claim that thymol in there is antibacterial and antifungal, and stuff like that. Even HOSPITALS have an approved use of this product, so why is it illegal to claim it works in someone else's product too? We have to have each individual product go through the million-dollar-testing and first buy a license to do the testing besides. even if it's a known fact of nature that "this" substance, when not over-processed and ruined, will do "that."

This is part of of the biggest scariest stuff that Codex Alimentarius is all about -- substances that we already use and know to be good are all going to be sweeped off the market and nobody will be allowed to sell anything that they don't have a huge amount of money, approval, and a license from the FDA -- to STUDY, and then get their approval of their study results afterwards before selling it.

Meanwhile we can call all kinds of gross stuff 'natural flavorings' and not even have the right to know what it REALLY is. Is it true that embryonic tissue is being used in our Kraft mayonnaise and in our Pepsi? Only your manufacturing corporations know for sure, because THEY DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU.

We have gone inside-out with insanity on what is logical and right, and it is all because humans in charge are full of greed and want money, and of course, total control of the rest of us.

We have got to all wake up and fight this together.

I know, it's not going to happen.

If you think of the ramifications of this, how many of our businesses are going to be COMPLETELY put out of business over this? Um, pretty much all of them except for the biggest ones already running the show. The change in our lives will be unimagineably drastic when this happens. And fast, too. REAL fast.

[HuckleB]

95. If you want to fight together, then you have to choose to go with science.

And that means leaving the anti-science snake-oil sales people behind.

If you can't do that, then you aren't wanting to do anything together.

[HuckleB]

78. Here's another:

The baking soda is already noted.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029655_colon_polyps_Doctor_Oz.html

which is shown to be complete BS here:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/mike-adams-on-dr-mehmet-ozs-colon-polyps-spontaneous-disease/

[HuckleB]

79. And another:

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/h1n1-vaccine-and-miscarriages-more-fear-mongering/

The link to the original slice of nonsense by Natural News is in the first sentence.

[HuckleB]

80. And are you saying the article in OP is accurate?

It appears to make claims without evidence, as the responses have noted.

[HuckleB]

81. And then there's the ugliness spewed at the site after Gabriel GIffords was shot.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/01/mike_adams_sinks_to_a_new_low.php

Do I need to go on?

[LeftishBrit]

83. Also, their vile political comments about healthcare

http://www.naturalnews.com/030903_predictions_2011.html

...• On the issue of freedom and liberty, I predict a surge of interest in Libertarian political philosophy from both former Democrats and former Republicans who realize that the path to prosperity and freedom is found in individual liberty and personal responsibility. I see the Tea Party suffering from disillusionment as its own elected members betray its supporters with more taxes and Big Government spending. Expect to see Ron Paul and Rand Paul do extraordinarily well in the coming years (as long as they stay on principle), and watch for a groundswell of popular support for the once-again-new idea of sensibly limited government.

• Watch for a rise in the Tenth Amendment movement in America as an increasing number of Americans fight back against what they see as a dangerous expansion of the power of the federal government. With the TSA in your pants and the FDA in your greenhouse, there's no telling what part of your life Big Brother wants to control next. America was founded on the idea of limited government, and I believe we'll see a powerful, passionate movement that seeks to bring the federal government back down to its Constitutionally-mandated size (which is a fraction of its current size and scope). The Tenth Amendment, by the way, specifically reserves all rights not specifically granted to the federal government to be held by the States or the People. The Constitution, for the record, never granted the federal government the right to run a health care system, nor to give away the power to coin money to a private banking cartel, nor to inspect your backyard food production operation that you use to produce jams and jellies for the local farmers' market.


Note in particular the statements: 'The Constitution.. never granted the federal government the right to run a healthcare system.'

And more generally
(Note in particular: 'The Constitution *never granted the federal government the right to run a health care system*')

And 'the path to prosperity and freedom is found in individual liberty and personal responsibility. I see the Tea Party suffering from disillusionment as its own elected members betray its supporters with more taxes and Big Government spending. Expect to see Ron Paul and Rand Paul do extraordinarily well in the coming years (as long as they stay on principle)'

Sorry but anyone who promotes such views is not a human being; it is a poisonous snake! Such ideologies murder far more people than any terrorist organization could dream of killing. PURE EVIL!

[vidalarosa]

91. confusing

I've read a similar article, and got confused since I've taken loads of vitamins in the past 20 years, these supplements that should be good for may kill me, is that it? You never really know who to believe anymore.